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Portland, Ore., rejecting water fluoridation
Associated Press ^ | May 22, 12:42 AM EDT | Steven Dubois

Posted on 05/21/2013 10:17:28 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Early returns showed Portland residents voting to keep their city the largest in the U.S. without fluoride in the water.

With more than half the expected ballots counted Tuesday night, the Multnomah County election website showed the fluoride proposal failing, 60 percent to 40 percent.

Voters in Portland twice rejected fluoridation before approving it in 1978. That plan was overturned two years later, before any fluoride was ever added to the water.

The City Council voted last year to add fluoride to the water supply that serves about 900,000 people. But opponents quickly gathered enough signatures to force a vote on the subject. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: fluoridation; fluoride; icecreammandrake; nofluoride; nothanks; portland; preciousbodilyfluids; rejecting; sapandimpurify; water; watersupply

1 posted on 05/21/2013 10:17:28 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Sounds like they drank the fear mongering kool-aid instead of flourinated water. Enjoy those higher dental costs asshats.


2 posted on 05/21/2013 10:20:54 PM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Olog-hai

Anti-Science Party Wins (Democrats)


3 posted on 05/21/2013 10:21:57 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Olog-hai

General Ripper is pleased.

4 posted on 05/21/2013 10:23:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Olog-hai
Typical fluoride opponent ...
5 posted on 05/21/2013 10:31:50 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell, Huxley and Rand warned us about 0bama's USA)
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To: Olog-hai; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; coffeebreak; ...
If you aren't on this ping list and are interested
in articles about Oregon, please FReepmail me.

6 posted on 05/21/2013 10:38:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Olog-hai

Why the hell would anyone want the govt adding chemicals to the water supply? I’ve never understood the point. Are we to stupid to take care of our health?


7 posted on 05/21/2013 10:39:48 PM PDT by ocean
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To: dfwgator

Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face.
I couldn’t be happier if that idiot Turgidson were tickling that part of me that crosses the fence last with a feather duster.
Take care for your bodily fluids, and good for the Buckeyes!
General Jack D. Ripper


8 posted on 05/21/2013 10:46:40 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Olog-hai

not all fluoride is equal.

sodium fluoride is a waste byproduct of other chemical processes, is toxic to humans, and that is what is put in drinking water and toothpaste.

calcium fluoride is what the body needs to help your teeth and bones. it is not an industrial byproduct and is much more expensive compared to sodium fluoride, and so it is not used by water departments and toothpaste makers.


9 posted on 05/21/2013 10:51:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: ocean

It is unethical-—Nuremberg Trial stated that adding any chemicals to the water for medicating purposes is evil. Europe doesn’t allow Fluoridated water in almost every country. They took it out-—and there was no increase in cavities.

Harvard just did studies last year that shows drop in IQ by 10 points in children who have fluoridated water. We should know that anything the government mandates is probably evil. Power corrupts and Fluoride which used to be a toxic waste and expensive to dispose of-—became a million dollar business.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/studies/brain01/


10 posted on 05/21/2013 10:52:06 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Olog-hai

The kkk opposed water fluoridation years ago. Does this mean Portland, Ore is a (gasp) RACIST city?


11 posted on 05/21/2013 10:54:27 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Olog-hai

How DARE these miserable voters reject what WE decide is good for them!!They actually forced a referendum, instead of simply ignoring how we piss away their money!


12 posted on 05/21/2013 11:03:37 PM PDT by jonascord (Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a Single Star!)
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To: Secret Agent Man
They sell NaF in pills for cavity prevention and osteoporosis treatment. AFAIK, the most common actual water fluoridation agent is hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6)

Since NaF has an estimated lethal dose between 5 and 7 grams for an adult human, that’s not too toxic. CaF2 is insoluble in water; it has to be produced by the body versus being ingested. Fluoride poisoning, incidentally, involves CaF2 being produced by the body in excessive quantities, resulting in hypocalcemia.
13 posted on 05/21/2013 11:12:30 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: ocean

Yeah,,,,they’d probably like to add birth control to the water if they could....


14 posted on 05/21/2013 11:18:05 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Olog-hai

sodium fluoride is regularly added to water by water treatment plants. it is still used. it is also the type used in all major toothpaste brands.


15 posted on 05/21/2013 11:31:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Olog-hai

The anti-science forces seems to be strong on FR as well.


16 posted on 05/21/2013 11:35:03 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can’t solve a problem with brute force, they’ll find a way to fix it with brute forc)
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To: Secret Agent Man; Olog-hai
Many locations have naturally fluorinated water, so that there is no need to add a fluoride compound.

I worked on Crest toothpaste at P&G at the time of the ADA endorsement. The active ingredient in Crest was originally stannous fluoride, rather than sodium fluoride.

I can attest to the validity of the clinical tests which revealed 30-50% reductions in the incidence of caries. Indeed, since Crest's introduction, childhood caries problems have essentially been wiped out. A huge step forward in public health...

17 posted on 05/21/2013 11:48:42 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE --)
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To: rktman

this is great
all the proof we need how stupid rats are


18 posted on 05/22/2013 12:01:03 AM PDT by genghis
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To: Secret Agent Man

Sodium silicate is also added regularly to water supplies... Somethings are added in some places that are not added in others...

I’m generally suspicious of anything added to the water... I don’t know who is adding things, when, where or how much... some water in California smells like a swimming pool...

Some of the idiots working for water companies or public water utilities couldn’t measure a gallon accurately, let alone calculate molar volumes and empirical formulas.


19 posted on 05/22/2013 12:30:29 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Olog-hai

Some of the idiots working for water companies or public water utilities couldn’t measure a gallon accurately, let alone calculate molar volumes and empirical formulas...

(HF is hydrofluoric acid... It eats calcium like nothing else...)


20 posted on 05/22/2013 12:33:08 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Olog-hai

Also, distilled water has a tendency to leech minerals out of your body...


21 posted on 05/22/2013 12:34:30 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: genghis

Would you trust any of those idiots adding chemicals to your water?

Would you trust any of those idiots to measure accurately?


22 posted on 05/22/2013 12:36:28 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Olog-hai

Fluoride is a deadly toxin. While small amounts of it on the surface of yr teeth may help prevent cavities, it is not meant to ever be ingested. Certainly not in your daily water consumption. Also, fluoride on teeth is not as good for them as other minerals and vitamins k2 and d3.

Portland is lucky -— they were not fooled by the government decision to get rid of neurotoxic fluoride waste product by putting it into the water supply.


23 posted on 05/22/2013 1:40:16 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: goodnesswins
Yeah,,,,they’d probably like to add birth control to the water if they could....

Those who posture themselves to control "Birth Control", will eventually control birth.

24 posted on 05/22/2013 3:28:55 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: savagesusie

“Europe doesn’t allow Fluoridated water in almost every country. They took it out-—and there was no increase in cavities.”

Have you ever seen an average European’s teeth? Not a pretty sight.


25 posted on 05/22/2013 3:36:45 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Valpal1
"anti-science"

If you're referring to the Freepers who refuse to believe the earth is more than 6000 years old, I've known a number of ardent Dems who believed the same thing. I'd guess a very sizable percentage of Dems believe in the young earth and/or who don't believe in evolution.

26 posted on 05/22/2013 4:44:01 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"trust...idiots"

When I was growing up in La Crosse, Wis. back in the sixties, they used to have a public talk forum on one of the radio stations. At that time, the city was discussing fluoridating the water supply. There were large numbers of people pro and con. The con people would publish pictures of people with severely mottled teeth supposedly from having their water fluoridated. The only problem was they were showing pictures of people who were living in areas where the water was naturally fluoridated at many times the ppm that cities put in the water supply.

The con position eventually disintegrated, and the city fluoridated the water. In the fifty years since, there have been no news of serious diseases or higher death rates in La Crosse due to fluoridation. There was a great decrease in the amount of cavities for children. Which was the goal.

27 posted on 05/22/2013 4:53:37 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Olog-hai

Fluoride chemicals added to public water supplies, boosts lead absorption in lab animals’ bones, teeth and blood, report Sawan, et al. (Toxicology 2/2010). Earlier studies already show children’s blood-lead-levels are higher in fluoridated communities, reports Sawan’s research team.
“…exposure to increased amounts of lead and fluoride occurs at about the same age (1-3 years)… Therefore, this is a critical time when systemic exposure to fluoride should be minimized since fluoride may increase lead accumulation,” the researchers caution.
Low-level lead exposure is associated with lower IQ, ADHD and many health and behavior ailments.


28 posted on 05/22/2013 5:18:37 AM PDT by smoky415 (Follow the money)
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To: driftless2

Fluoride chemicals added to public water supplies, boosts lead absorption in lab animals’ bones, teeth and blood, report Sawan, et al. (Toxicology 2/2010). Earlier studies already show children’s blood-lead-levels are higher in fluoridated communities, reports Sawan’s research team.
“…exposure to increased amounts of lead and fluoride occurs at about the same age (1-3 years)… Therefore, this is a critical time when systemic exposure to fluoride should be minimized since fluoride may increase lead accumulation,” the researchers caution.
Low-level lead exposure is associated with lower IQ, ADHD and many health and behavior ailments.


Let us tell you a tale of two cities–Tacoma, Washington, and Thurmont, Maryland. Both of them saw significant decline in lead levels only six months after fluoridation was stopped. (In Tacoma, that was due to equipment problems, in Thurmont, it was a temporary ban by the city council.) Tacoma registered a drop of nearly 50% (20); in Thurmont it was 78%. To the best of our knowledge, no other explanations were offered. In Thurmont the ban is now permanent.

Unfortunately, Tacoma returned to fluoridating its drinking water and a battle continues over whether to stop it.


I’d rather the “children” (it’s always for the “children”, you know) get their fluoride from toothpaste or the dentist. Keep it out of the water.


29 posted on 05/22/2013 5:18:37 AM PDT by smoky415 (Follow the money)
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To: rktman

Actually it was a scam by the city council to raise taxes and the voters turned it down. Big win for P-Town conservatives.

Pray for America to Wake Up


30 posted on 05/22/2013 5:21:12 AM PDT by bray (Surviving to spite Obama)
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To: driftless2

That was 50 years ago when people had brains...


31 posted on 05/22/2013 5:49:00 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Olog-hai

Sorry, I can’t resist...

“This is getting too weird. Even for Portland.” — Sgt. Wu in `Grimm’


32 posted on 05/22/2013 6:08:27 AM PDT by Peet (Come back with a warrant.)
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To: bray

WHAT! Politicians pulling a scam? In Portland? No way. LOL!


33 posted on 05/22/2013 6:16:14 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: smoky415

Since most kids don’t even drink the water, why not put it in the soda pop?

Doesn’t make sense to fluoridate your shower or the turds you flush.

How would that help the teeth?


34 posted on 05/22/2013 6:39:17 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: flaglady47

Soda pop?

When was the last time you saw a kid drinking water?


35 posted on 05/22/2013 6:40:33 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Yaelle

Most kids don’t even drink the water... they drink soda pop...

Fluoridating your shower and your turds isn’t going to help your teeth... unless you are a shiite eating liberal...


36 posted on 05/22/2013 6:44:30 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: smoky415

Most experts have found no link between lead in the water and fluoride. They found that the instances of high levels of lead in the water was related to older homes with lead pipes for plumbing. There was scant or no lead exposure in newer homes with no lead pipes.


37 posted on 05/22/2013 7:43:17 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: ocean

Yes, the Rinos on this site want the government to be their health nanny. Portland doesn’t have fluoridated water. 50 miles away, Salem, Oregon has fluoridated water. There’s no significant difference in the number of dental carries. Fluoridation is just another welfare program for buying industrial wastes.


38 posted on 05/22/2013 9:39:49 AM PDT by aimhigh (Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: Olog-hai

Sodium Fluoride: active ingredient of Zyklon B, it’s pesticide for your mouth.


39 posted on 05/22/2013 5:11:17 PM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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