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Issa just allowed Louis Lerner to waive her fifth amendment rights!
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Posted on 05/22/2013 7:33:36 AM PDT by fooman

I do not understand why she was not made to answer every question. And why has Congress not subpoenaed her computer (home and office)?


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 5thamendment; chat; irs; issa; loislerner; outragenone; vanity
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1 posted on 05/22/2013 7:33:37 AM PDT by fooman
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To: fooman

waive?


2 posted on 05/22/2013 7:34:42 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: fooman
Your title does not match your content.

They're pretty much opposite of each other.

3 posted on 05/22/2013 7:35:19 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: fooman

If he ASSERTED her Fith Ammendment Rights then Issa has no choice on whether or not to “allow” them.

She has that right.

But I am guessing it means fireworks to come


4 posted on 05/22/2013 7:36:19 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: fooman

The GOP doesn’t even know how to use her as a campaign issue.
Bonehead must have told Issa to lay off her. Disgusting.


5 posted on 05/22/2013 7:36:32 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: fooman

She’s allowed to plead the 5th. Nothing Issa can do about it. What did you think he would do, go down and punch her in the face?


6 posted on 05/22/2013 7:37:07 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: fooman

He didn’t waive it yet. He stated he was going to look into it.
In my mind a good move. It would force to talk or go to jail for not cooperating.


7 posted on 05/22/2013 7:37:16 AM PDT by hans56
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To: fooman

She read a statement and then said she wouldn’t answer any questions. She was about to be dismissed then Trey Gowdy called a point of order and said she waived her 5th amendment rights by telling her side. She was dismissed subject to recall while the committed looks into whether she can do that legally.


8 posted on 05/22/2013 7:37:27 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Mr. K

No fireworks. Issa allowed her to make a statement, then released her.


9 posted on 05/22/2013 7:37:28 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: fooman

I am a little worried by your shock that she was “allowed” to use her Fifth Ammendment Rights- and your comment that she should be “forced” to answer...


10 posted on 05/22/2013 7:37:58 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: fooman
Sometimes I wonder if Issa is just all hat, and no cattle. Take F&F for example, how long has he been trying to get to the bottom of that?

Disgusting to say the least! I had to turn it off after that...

11 posted on 05/22/2013 7:38:05 AM PDT by Errant
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To: fooman

The way the 5th works...if you answer ONE question you have to answer them all...

is she getting to choose ???

Sic her Issa !!!


12 posted on 05/22/2013 7:38:36 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Longbow1969

Ask her a few questions and make her plead the fifth on camera. That’s what you can do.


13 posted on 05/22/2013 7:39:00 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Longbow1969

I had hoped that she would be asked maybe a dozen or two dozen questions, and she would have had to plead the 5th each and every time like I’ve seen many times in my lifetime on Capitol Hill. I wanted her to have to say it for EVERY question. On the record. Let the American people watch & see how corrupt the IRS is on live tv.

They let her off way too easy this morning in my opinion.


14 posted on 05/22/2013 7:39:10 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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To: cotton1706

“She read a statement and then said she wouldn’t answer any questions. She was about to be dismissed then Trey Gowdy called a point of order and said she waived her 5th amendment rights by telling her side. She was dismissed subject to recall while the committed looks into whether she can do that legally.”

Fascinating.

She either has a really stupid lawyer or a smart one.

Seems like you could be right in the middle of testifying and then you could plead the 5th, doesn’t it?


15 posted on 05/22/2013 7:39:32 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: fooman

Must be Lois’ husband.


16 posted on 05/22/2013 7:39:45 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (DONATE!!!)
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To: cotton1706

OK now THAT makes sense now...

You cannot tell your side of the story and then be allowed to clam up when the other side is told, although I a wary of this point.

If you lie and then are caught in it, you still should have the right not to be forced to testify against yourself. The proof that you lied is testimony enough against you.


17 posted on 05/22/2013 7:40:07 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: tennmountainman

Ask her a BUNCH of rhetorical questions and get her on record, on camera, pleading the 5th on every one of them.


18 posted on 05/22/2013 7:40:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Longbow1969
What did you think he would do, go down and punch her in the face?

More scenes we'd like to see.

19 posted on 05/22/2013 7:41:18 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Longbow1969

Actually an Executive Order by Ike calls for her firing if someone in her position pleads the 5th.


20 posted on 05/22/2013 7:41:48 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Longbow1969

She’s allowed to plead the 5th. Nothing Issa can do about it. What did you think he would do, go down and punch her in the face?
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Just repeatedly ask her “embarassing” questions such as “Has anyone from the Obama administration coordinated with you for the targeting of Tea Party organizations”.

Let her assert her right against self-incrimination over and over and over again. The Democrats certainly would have done that had the shoe been on the other foot.

But the Republican? Nah, the Republicans want to be “nice”.


21 posted on 05/22/2013 7:42:04 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Mr. K
she should be “forced” to answer

I'm no lawyer, but I believe that if a witness is given immunity from prosecution, then she can be forced to answer.

22 posted on 05/22/2013 7:42:13 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Mr. K

Of course I agree with the fifth amendment, just not Ms Lerner abusing it.

She could say ‘five’ to each question. Also, she could be asked about her abuses as a FEC official asking about the content of Oliver North’s prayers as reported by the weekly standard.

Bravo Gowdy!


23 posted on 05/22/2013 7:42:32 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: tennmountainman

Boehner, as usual, is back on his heels & not leading. Rest assured that he is working some back room deal to help himself and sell US out.

A man of principle, a leader of action, he is neither.


24 posted on 05/22/2013 7:43:03 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Mr. K

I think they will try to turn her. It’s obvious these people were acting on orders from the top, and now they are being hung out to dry, just like Maxwell from the State Dept. Sooner or later some of these folks will turn against the administration, like Maxwell, God Bless him, already has. Now if only the Generals had the balls to do the same thing I might even have faith in the military again.


25 posted on 05/22/2013 7:43:19 AM PDT by binreadin
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To: Qwackertoo

Thank you. Exactly.


26 posted on 05/22/2013 7:43:25 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Leaning Right

I’m no lawyer, but I believe that if a witness is given immunity from prosecution, then she can be forced to answer.
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Correct—and we don’t want to have this DIRTY, CORRUPT woman be given immunity.


27 posted on 05/22/2013 7:44:39 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: fooman

I think they will indict her soon


28 posted on 05/22/2013 7:45:04 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: massgopguy

Thanks for the education. Where are the demands for firing?

Where is the outrage?


29 posted on 05/22/2013 7:45:08 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: cotton1706

Gowdy’s definitely one of the good guys.


30 posted on 05/22/2013 7:45:10 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: fooman

I wonder whom Issa will consult with about Gowdy’s point of order?


31 posted on 05/22/2013 7:45:16 AM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Qwackertoo

DITTO!


32 posted on 05/22/2013 7:45:17 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: MrB

If you are not going to get answers, at least get some campaign uses out
of it. The GOP did neither.


33 posted on 05/22/2013 7:45:30 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Qwackertoo

The republicants are in on the fix.

Nothing will come of this. Nothing.


34 posted on 05/22/2013 7:45:40 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Longbow1969

She might have that right...but think about how terrible this is.

The IRS is supposed to be subject to congressional oversight...yet she refuses to answer questions. She obviously doesn’t believe she works ‘for’ the people.

Boehner should say that’s it, if the IRS won’t answer questions of congress, their funding is cut off.


35 posted on 05/22/2013 7:45:45 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: fooman

She cannot plead the 5th on testimony already given.......


36 posted on 05/22/2013 7:45:56 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: cotton1706
She wants immunity...She knows that she will wind up in jail without immunity.

Missy...stay away from Marcy Park.

I heard an old speech...She does exactly as she's told....no questions asked...is what I got out of it.

37 posted on 05/22/2013 7:46:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: fooman
Lois is a anti-Christian bigot. This is not going to end well for her in this life or the hereafter.
38 posted on 05/22/2013 7:47:14 AM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: fooman

If she invokes the 5th just WHAT would you have Issa do, beat the crap/truth outta her(that’s MY job)?


39 posted on 05/22/2013 7:47:42 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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Essentially what Lerner may have done by taking the 5th is confirming the obozo hussein is up to his neck in this IRS tyranny scandal. Its ironic how this administration uses the constitution to cover its crimes which are against the constitution.
40 posted on 05/22/2013 7:48:06 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: House Atreides

She can be given immunity from prosecution if she tells the truth and spills the beans on higher ups. If she lies after being given immunity she can still be prosecuted for lying.....


41 posted on 05/22/2013 7:48:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Red Badger

She did just that. They even handed her her printed out testimony she STILL said ‘five’..

Issa and Bonehead are letting them get away.


42 posted on 05/22/2013 7:49:53 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: tennmountainman

So you are all in favor of denying someone their constitutional rights just so you can slam republicans?


43 posted on 05/22/2013 7:50:18 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Noamie
“She read a statement and then said she wouldn’t answer any questions. She was about to be dismissed then Trey Gowdy called a point of order and said she waived her 5th amendment rights by telling her side. She was dismissed subject to recall while the committed looks into whether she can do that legally.”

Correct. Exercising the right to remain silent means remaining silent. Once you testify, you essentially waive that right; and testify is exactly what she just did.

Think of a criminal case where one is on trial for murder. Once the defendant decides to take the witness stand and answer questions from his own lawyer, he opens himself up to cross-examination. Once he decides to testify, he does not get to pick and choose which questions he will answer from the prosecutor.

The same goes for Lerner here. Once she decided to issue a statement, she opened herself up to cross-examination, (at which point she decided to invoke Amendment V). The mistake here is that they allowed her to read the statement to begin with before asking her a question they knew she wouldn't answer.

44 posted on 05/22/2013 7:50:25 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: fooman
Issa doesn't have a choice. Everyone has a 5th Amendment protection against self-incrimination. And considering that people are talking about criminal indictments coming out of this then I'd be amazed if anyone from the IRS doesn't invoke the 5th Amendment. Anything they say under oath before Congress can be used against them in criminal proceedings. Why provide testimony that will later be used against you?
45 posted on 05/22/2013 7:50:31 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: fooman

Trey Gowdy doesn’t miss much, wait and see what happens.


46 posted on 05/22/2013 7:50:55 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: fooman; All

Where’s a live feed ?


47 posted on 05/22/2013 7:51:17 AM PDT by knarf (uals-two logic)
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To: Rockitz

Yes she is a bigot and one would think Cummings would be careful with condoning bigots.


48 posted on 05/22/2013 7:51:22 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: atc23

So. What prevented the GOP asking her some questions and FORCING
her to plead the fifth over and over again? Weak knee bunch of GOP
losers.. That’s what.


49 posted on 05/22/2013 7:52:58 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Qwackertoo
I had hoped that she would be asked maybe a dozen or two dozen questions, and she would have had to plead the 5th each and every time like I’ve seen many times in my lifetime on Capitol Hill. I wanted her to have to say it for EVERY question. On the record. Let the American people watch & see how corrupt the IRS is on live tv.

BINGO! BINGO! BINGO!

50 posted on 05/22/2013 7:53:06 AM PDT by JohnG45
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