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1 posted on 05/22/2013 12:04:19 PM PDT by presidio9
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Sneeringly misleading headline.

It is Rooters.

2 posted on 05/22/2013 12:05:32 PM PDT by skeeter
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He who is not against us, is with us.

And a potential recruit.


3 posted on 05/22/2013 12:06:54 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Any religious leader is expected to be good to all, and not issue Fatwas for their death because they refuse to believe.


6 posted on 05/22/2013 12:12:19 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Remember Ty Woods, Glenn Doherty and Sean Smith? Forgot already?)
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He told the story of a Catholic who asked a priest if even atheists had been redeemed by Jesus.

I think that God may well not hold it against a person for being an atheist if he/she was never exposed to religion or was somehow coerced into atheism.Otherwise,to absolutely refute God's existence after having been exposed to (reasonable) religious teachings I fear may be unforgivable to Him.Those who are genuinely agnostic....I can see God giving them a "pass" assuming they've led a basically decent life.

Just my personal thoughts...

7 posted on 05/22/2013 12:12:35 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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“Atheists should be seen as good people if they do good, Pope Francis has said in his latest urging that people of all religions, and none, work together.”

If it can’t work in America then where?


8 posted on 05/22/2013 12:12:37 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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If you’re interested in reading what he actually said, you can read it here.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3022417/posts

Better than an al-Reuters summary/distortion


9 posted on 05/22/2013 12:18:01 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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Although I am a Christian and take the Great Commission seriously, it bothers me not a whit if my neighbor is an atheist. I don't even mind if he politely attempts to proselytize me to his irreligion as long as he extends me the courtesy of polite refusal, and allows an opportunity for me to proselytize him in return.

It is my observation that polite and courteous atheists are in short supply in the present public milieu.

10 posted on 05/22/2013 12:23:59 PM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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The real issue is, that BILLIONS of "good" people have and are going to hell.

Being good doesn't get one into heaven.

11 posted on 05/22/2013 12:24:47 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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Uh... Atheists ARE second-class believers...

I can’t even believe people are whining that Catholics discriminate against atheists...

Maybe I shouldn’t be that surprised...


17 posted on 05/22/2013 1:08:44 PM PDT by Skywise
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There are those on FR who think you don’t even have to be good to be a Christian. Faith not works.


18 posted on 05/22/2013 1:31:42 PM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby. Obamacare: shovel-ready healthcare.)
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I don't see that he said they can be good. I saw where he said the must do good.
20 posted on 05/22/2013 1:39:33 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To be honest, this whole issue rests on your understanding of 3 things:

Firstly, the phrase “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus”
Secondly, your interpretation of the Bible
Thirdly, the concepts of salvation through grace (Augustinianism, Calvinism) and salvation through good works.

For the first point, the most recent Catholic Catechism regarding the phrase states that it simply indicates that all salvation comes from Christ the Head, which has the Church as it’s body. This means that those suffering from invincible ignorance are not to blame and can still be saved.

For the second, if one is to take a literal, fundamentalist approach to biblical scripture then we come to no certain conclusion due to the various differing opinions and arguments which can be presented by simply quoting scripture.

For the third, it is important to understand that the Catholic Church’s view regarding salvation is that it is achieved through good work. The Catholic Church does not accept the Calvinist viewpoint that God has fundamentally chosen who is damned and saved when they are born. This in itself creates a predestination-based issue concerning morality, because if this is true, not one person is responsible for their actions.

However, it is important to lastly consider whether a God which is believed to be benevolent (let alone omnibenevolent) would damn good people for reaching a conclusion using the logic and reason he gave them. If he did, surely he would not be benevolent? If he did, I would argue he would not be worth worshiping.


24 posted on 05/22/2013 2:07:47 PM PDT by EExtraEcclesiamNullaSaluss
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