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IRS officials arenít cooperating in probes at top or bottom
Mcclatchydc ^ | Wednesday, May 22, 2013 | By Kevin G. Hall and David Lightman | McClatchy Washington Bureau

Posted on 05/22/2013 11:10:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

WASHINGTON — Internal Revenue Service officials are not fully cooperating with efforts to learn who is responsible for targeting conservative groups, lawmakers learned Wednesday during the third and most tense, dramatic hearing on the scandal.

First, the director of the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt organizations at the heart of the scandal invoked her constitutional Fifth Amendment right and refused to answer questions during an appearance before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

Then, a Treasury Department inspector general told the committee that IRS employees in the Cincinnati office that handled applications for tax-exempt designations were not being fully cooperative in the investigation. He said the IRS employees have stymied efforts to learn who developed the controversial questions asked of conservative groups.

The inability to find out more about who authorized the special scrutiny of conservative groups frustrated lawmakers striving to find out more even as the IRS launches its own 30-day inquiry and the Justice Department is starting a criminal investigation. At the same time Wednesday, the White House press secretary acknowledged that there have been “legitimate” criticisms about the way he has explained what the administration knew about the scandal.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gettherope; impeachnow; irs; irsscandal; irsteaparty; issa; loislerner; teaparty
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1 posted on 05/22/2013 11:10:17 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

No problem. Now that it’s shown just what the IRS is capable of, get a sales tax and eliminate income tax and shrink the bureaucracy.


2 posted on 05/22/2013 11:19:13 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

We should just assume Obama was behind it. If no one wants to talk, than the assumption stands.


3 posted on 05/22/2013 11:24:21 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Remember after 911 the government closed the airports for two days to revamp security. This time the government wants thirty days to investigate itself and develop an excuse to tell the People for the IRS criminal activity. The activity began in 2010. Anyone with a brain knows why and who set this as policy, and yes, this was/is policy.
4 posted on 05/22/2013 11:25:43 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Cementjungle
We should just assume Obama was behind it. If no one wants to talk, than the assumption stands.

I am sure that is true, but unfortunately, not one person will ever face the music.

5 posted on 05/22/2013 11:29:18 PM PDT by Mark17 (My heart is in the Philippines, and soon I will be too.)
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To: Mark17

bump


6 posted on 05/22/2013 11:30:04 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They aren’t co-operating at all.

And it isn’t just the IRS.

It is essentially the entire government gone rogue, and it is flaunting the fact that no one can touch it right in our faces.

What’s more is that half the country foolishly supports this, and wrongly believes these people are on their side, but the fact of the matter is those people are being used as useful idiots. As long as they have something that is needed, a vote, then they will be catered to.

But once that vote is no longer needed, they will then be useless idiots, and they will be left to starve.

The news of the past few...days, months years, I don’t even know...has been very trying for me. It’s one thing after another, none of it good, expect the nice old lady who found her dog in the rubble, that was good.

But it feels like things are coming to some sort of point. If those in power are answerable to no one, then how can they be made to answer anything at all?

If a man is allowed to get away with anything he does, then what happens, for example, at the end of a man’s term and the beginning of another, someone says to the man, sir, your time is over it’s time to go, and the man says no, my time has just begun, it’s time for you to go?

I can just here a familiar voice on the radio saying the nation will not tolerate his being dragged from office, even if he is supposed to go, they just won’t, it’s not going to happen...

Maybe I am just on edge, maybe I have gone crazy, but these are trying times, and I fear that they have just begun.


7 posted on 05/22/2013 11:30:50 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: FReepers; Patriots; FRiends






ABOLISH the IRS

Keep Free Republic Alive!

8 posted on 05/22/2013 11:31:17 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All
An admittedly rough comparison to "striking" IRS officials, but this issue brings to mind President Reagan firing striking air traffic controllers.
This week in history: Ronald Reagan fires 11,345 air traffic controllers

9 posted on 05/22/2013 11:37:44 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Cementjungle

Yes, all roads lead to Obama. You can bet the top WH gave the go-ahead and probably created the idea for Valerie Jarrett’s retaliation.

And I’d be willing to submit at least a couple folks in the top of the DNC knew the strategy, especially since the Tea Party was targeted to swing and steal the election.

We have a political coup at the highest level here in America.

Impeach and imprison.


10 posted on 05/22/2013 11:42:08 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

Agreed.


11 posted on 05/22/2013 11:58:05 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: chris37

Whats truly dysfunctional is if this were a Republican admin then half the country would feel the same, only the other half.
Is that repairable?


12 posted on 05/22/2013 11:59:58 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: F15Eagle

Maybe am wrong but have noticed Rush has been different lately in the manner of addressing the actions by our government by / of Rush’s words. Strange times.


13 posted on 05/23/2013 12:00:07 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: wiggen

you are correct. Maybe the realization is beginning to set in for many that thought 1 in 5 odds was on the low side. Now it becomes a few unanswered questions and where do the first sparks (the sparks are there) ignite the first fuses. Don’t know here ... just speculating.


14 posted on 05/23/2013 12:04:58 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

I virtually never hear anything he has to say except what I read on FR. So I would not be able to tell.


15 posted on 05/23/2013 12:09:52 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: no-to-illegals

On another thread some are totally trashing Rush.

What I hear Rush saying is not deserving of being trashed. I might not like it, or want to hear it, but if you listen closely to all of it and not just a few words by themselves, what he’s saying is, he doesn’t think the American people - the low information voter - will hold Obama accountable for anything.

Rush has this theory that Obama pretends to not really be in charge of anything that’s going wrong. And makes ignorant people think he’s trying to stop bad things and trying to fix what’s wrong. And he’s getting away with pretending that.

So Rush says, quit hoping Obama will be blamed, instead simply blame big government liberals and the Democrat party, which is true anyway. They ARE to blame, not just Obama.


16 posted on 05/23/2013 12:15:18 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: Amendment10
An admittedly rough comparison to "striking" IRS officials, but this issue brings to mind President Reagan firing striking air traffic controllers.

Treat it like the festering pus pocket it is.

Fire anyone even remotely connected with the wrongdoing, with the stipulation that they never have another government job.

If that doesn't get all the corruption, cut out another chunk.

17 posted on 05/23/2013 12:19:02 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: no-to-illegals

My concern is are we watching the imploding of our ‘entire’ government system? Not that we haven’t been aware of the corruption...but if someone wanted to bring down this country fast...make the people hate and despise their government so much they rise up against it entire....

Despite the corruption we NEED our government...if it falls you can be sure “something” will fill the void....like the International Global Governance they are attempting to position all nations for???????....now that’s a chilling thought!!!!

Sometimes I think all these scandals are part of their ploy.....look at all the eastern nations that have fallen....what did they do first...they riled up the nations ‘people’ to oppose their government.

I do not have a good feel about all this....


18 posted on 05/23/2013 12:19:40 AM PDT by caww
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To: Cementjungle

Das Führerprinzip


19 posted on 05/23/2013 12:24:22 AM PDT by gasport (I ain't got no guns.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

it is time for the irs to be gone, permanently.


20 posted on 05/23/2013 12:26:00 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: txrangerette
So Rush says, quit hoping Obama will be blamed, instead simply blame big government liberals and the Democrat party, which is true anyway. They ARE to blame, not just Obama.

Absolutely true. And, in any case, Obama's not running in 2016.

To oust Obama before then, we'd need 2/3 of the Senate. Not going to happen. And, even if it did, removing him would just put Plugs in charge of Supreme Court nominations.

Of course, with 2/3 of Congress, we could just repeal his whole agenda while letting him stew in office until 20 January 2017.

21 posted on 05/23/2013 12:27:55 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Cementjungle

Congress is still waiting for documents on Fast & Furious.


22 posted on 05/23/2013 12:40:43 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: caww

Gummints like a toilet.

If you want it clean and sparkling, you gotta flush it once in a while.

The problem is that all we got is Democraps and Republiturds.
Just the same bullshit getting recycled over and over, same results.

We need new thinking more than we need the same old people who’ve been in the government now for what? 30 40 50 years?

And a TRUE patriotism. No more of the “I vuz jus doink my job” line.


23 posted on 05/23/2013 12:44:26 AM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: caww

Agenda 21? The UN? One World Order?


24 posted on 05/23/2013 12:51:52 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: caww; txrangerette
I do not have a good feel about all this....

Am attempting to remain positive caww. Maybe, wrongly, have sensed some folks giving up. This is not the time to give up (imho) for my belief is we may still have an excellent chance to secure our nation. It appears we (the People) are beginning to get the attention of our representatives, but if the story-line is written and our representatives fail to represent the People (aka the Citizens) and instead represent other entities against the People it will be plain for all to see that are paying attention. If, as is being alleged our government is lost it will be made known our government is lost by the actions of our government but I do not sense our government is lost. Perhaps am too much of an optimist and have too much faith in the American People to allow our representatives to represent someone other than Americans. A point is coming, so in that thought of are the scandals a means to an end maybe is valid. I have to wonder though ... Is it not better the truth has been brought into the light rather the truth be hidden in the dark. Time always tells the tale. This time will be no different.

25 posted on 05/23/2013 12:53:39 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Meanwhile, if you or I stonewalled the IRS the way they’re stonewalling us, we’d be in prison.


26 posted on 05/23/2013 12:56:17 AM PDT by PressurePoint
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To: PressurePoint

Kind of like what goes around comes around.


27 posted on 05/23/2013 12:58:26 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: F15Eagle
Thanks for praying and Thank You for your faith. Wish the nation was filled with People praying and filled with your type of faith in the Book. Thanks F15Eagle.
28 posted on 05/23/2013 1:08:07 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

All glory to God and His Son. I can only pray that I’m able to witness the Gospel to a few. Thanks for your comments.


29 posted on 05/23/2013 1:15:18 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Replace Barry and the new boss will be the same as the old boss. The entire ‘Rat party is criminal.


30 posted on 05/23/2013 1:29:55 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Time to shut the IRS down.


31 posted on 05/23/2013 1:39:28 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot. 969 yall.)
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To: no-to-illegals

If they refuse to cooperate, defund them. The House can try to do that right away.


32 posted on 05/23/2013 1:47:25 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: ReaganGeneration2

Might have to start defunding at the bottom. There are already lots of people refusing to pay city taxes to Detroit because of failure to provide promised services.


33 posted on 05/23/2013 1:49:49 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So much for the attempt at the hard left to portray this as a “GOP-manufactured scandal”.


34 posted on 05/23/2013 1:50:37 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: ReaganGeneration2

yes they could. I believe the majority of Americans would cheer if the IRS was not funded. Which is why it will not happen.


35 posted on 05/23/2013 1:54:57 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Another agency that needs to be investigated is the Department of Home Land Security with big sis Janet testifying before Congress if DHS targeted conservatives, patriots, vets as the IRS targeted conservative groups.
Rep. Issa ? need to bring Janet before Congress and ask her if her agency DHS targeted conservative groups, patriots, and vets as the IRS targeted conservative groups.
36 posted on 05/23/2013 2:41:52 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Way past time to repeal the 16th amendment, and abolish the IRS.

5.56mm

37 posted on 05/23/2013 2:44:24 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The USSA - The bitter fruit of Obamunism.

  

It's not just the IRS, but Holder's D.O.J. too...

DOJ Intimidation and harrassment


eric holder gun corrupt  investigate investigation stalin mad obamunism leading
38 posted on 05/23/2013 4:00:19 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Bon mots

BTTT

Great images!


39 posted on 05/23/2013 4:01:34 AM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

You didn’t act when the Clintons were complicit in the murders of people. You didn’t act when Republicans made traitorous decisions. You didn’t act when more and more controlling laws were passed. Why are you upset about the IRS NOW? The camel is in the tent. Get used to it. You’re NOT going to change it.


40 posted on 05/23/2013 4:40:57 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Why should they help ... Congress?

They work for al Qeda and Hezbollah through the Imam Obama.


41 posted on 05/23/2013 4:41:41 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: M Kehoe

Way past time to repeal the 16th amendment, and abolish the IRS.

Ditto that


42 posted on 05/23/2013 5:02:14 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: Jonty30

The IRS gets upset when the Fair Tax is discussed. You’re taking the food right out of their babies mouths, donchaknow.
I don’t know how to enlighten those working for government that there aren’t enough of US to keep them in the lifestyle they’ve become accustomed.


43 posted on 05/23/2013 5:19:58 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: wiggen

I do not think the other half would feel the same, if the situation was reversed.

If the situation was reversed, the other half would likely be outraged at abuse of power and tyranny.

Nonetheless, I do not see what is happening as repairable.


44 posted on 05/23/2013 8:12:01 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

As we are. Right. I thought thats what i said. same reaction from different sides.


45 posted on 05/23/2013 8:16:27 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: cynwoody
And, even if it did, removing him would just put Plugs in charge of Supreme Court nominations.

As stupid as he is, I can see it now:

Reid: Why in the hell did you nominate Mark Levin for the Court?!?

Plugs: To get him off the air. Now the people won't have to listen to him all the time. Pretty smart huh?

Priceless!

46 posted on 05/23/2013 8:30:45 AM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Cementjungle

We should just assume Obama was behind it. If no one wants to talk, than the assumption stands.


Exactly. Boehner is already fumbling this away. He needs to send a rocket to the White Hut explaining that the fitness of the Obama IRS is currently being reviewed.

Anything less than full transparency NOW will cause a review by Congress of all statutory responsibilities of the IRS. Meaning, removal of the IRS from Obamacare is now on the table.

Let’s see how Team Kenya wants to play that in an election year.


47 posted on 05/23/2013 8:37:41 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: wiggen

I see no evidence that those people who voted for Obama are outraged in any way at all.

It would be nice if I did, but I don’t.

What I’ve seen is that they don’t know, they don’t care and some outright support it.


48 posted on 05/23/2013 8:43:27 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: no-to-illegals
"yes they could. I believe the majority of Americans would cheer if the IRS was not funded. Which is why it will not happen."

Can Obama or Congress shut down IRS completely?

Everyone would love that and more than most will thank the Democrats by electing D's in 2014.

Who doesn't hate the IRS?

Played right, could the Democrats win this? Would abolishing IRS be a feather in Obama's legacy....

49 posted on 05/23/2013 9:05:29 AM PDT by hummingbird (So much conspiracy and not enough time.)
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To: chris37

Chris. The right is outraged at Obama and his IRS. If these scandals came to light with Bush in office then the left would be outraged.


50 posted on 05/23/2013 9:35:44 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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