i am getting real tired of the filthy disease ridden queers perverting everything in sight...
Posted on 05/23/2013 3:20:16 PM PDT by Pyro7480
Edited on 05/23/2013 4:27:29 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
The Boy Scouts of America's National Council has voted to ease a long-standing ban and allow openly gay boys to be accepted as Scouts.
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I don’t think so. I think you’d see a great case to enshrine religious liberty and the ability to think for oneself.
I hope you are right. But religious liberty is no longer advancing in this country. It is in full retreat and it will be until such time as the Tree of Liberty has been watered anew.
Churches chartered 70% of the units in 2012. The top 6 denominations which charter BSA units and how they will react to the vote ...
1. LDS - They adopted BSA as their official male youth program in 1913. The church threatened to leave BSA in 2000 if BSA submitted to the homosexualists. The church leadership announced in APR 2013 that it was satisfied with the BSA resolution to accept open homosexual youth. Mitt Romney wants all, adults too, homosexuals to be eligible to be in BSA. The LDS Church is most worried about their missionary programs being negatively affected by anti-homosexual publicity. The LDS will continue in the BSA.
2. UMC - They are a house divided over homosexuality. Look for a schism in this denomination in the coming years. Its male youth committee, United Methodist Men, essentially sat this issue out and was non-commital. Most churches will continue to charter BSA units.
3. RCC - Their National Committee on Catholic Scouting took a pass on this issue. They cited church doctrine about homosexuality but essentially said they would go along with BSA's decision. Very, very sad given this denominations 25+ year homosexual predator priest scandal.
4. Lutheran - BSA does a disservice by grouping all the different Lutheran sects under this heading. The largest, ELCA, was essentially quiet on the issue, but it does ordain homosexuals. The LC-MS came out strongly against the BSA resolution. ELCA will stay in BSA but LC-MS may well bow out.
5. Presbyterian - Same thing as Lutheran - way too many different flavors of Presbyterian sects. The largest, PC-USA, ordains homosexuals. It was essentially quiet about the issue but will most likely remain in BSA. The much smaller PCA could very well leave BSA.
6. Baptist - Same as the Lutherans and Presbyterians - way too many flavors. The elephant in the Baptist living room is the Southern Baptist Convention. Its leadership will officially condemn BSA and recommend its autonomous congregations to leave BSA and support its own male youth program, the RA's - Royal Ambassadors.
Why would the Mormons leave? They supported and demanded this.
Highly unlikely that more than the slightest protest will be aired; most Americans have no interest in Scouting at all. I have been listening to Rush on and off today, and I haven’t heard him even mention this, but he may have.
The point I was making was that the LDS church did an about face over the 13 years between the SCOTUS BSA v Dale (2000) case and the Mormon leadership's APR 2013 statement that it accepted the new membership resolution. All sources indicate that the LDS Church gave up on this issue after it was hammered for supporting Prop 8 in CA during 2008.
_________________________________________________ I do not know. I have been out of the church since the mid 90s, and out of America since early 2000s. I do recall the idea of joining with the African Anglicans, and I think many Episcopalians went with the Anglican churches in the US.
That would be the AMiA = Anglican Mission in America. It seems to have lost momentum. There is a whole alaphabet soup of tiny Anglican "continuing churches". The 1 which seems to be in ascendancy in the U.S. right now is the ACNA = Anglican Church in North America.
ECUSA/TEC is dying. It can only be saved by the Holy Spirit - and He does not appear to be listening despite the heretical exhortations of TEC's Presiding Bishop, Katharine Jefferts Schori. Episcopalins were told that by being inclusive of homosexuals would cause the church to grow - the exact opposite happened. There was a large exodus out of ECUSA in 2004 after the consecration of homosexual NH bishop Gene Robinson. That event has essentially finished. The older members in the church who disagreed with the inclusion of homosexuals are stubborn and just won't go anywhere else. The youth members who were raised in the church are like mnany youth members all across the U.S. - once they graduate they tend to drift away, and now they are staying away for good.
They imagine they can continue to do so in the future. However, the loss of volunteers in the non-Mormon 70% of the organization will eventually give the entirity of the residual organization a Mormon flavor. I'd suppose that will give them total access to the 1/2 billion dollar asset base. No doubt they will like that.
My mother was Anglican -- real, Church-England-and-King-Harry Anglican. She put off going to church all the years she was raising us kids to be good Catholics in my father's family's traditions, and resumed going to an Episcopal church zestfully when we were all old enough to dress ourselves and get ourselves together on Sunday mornings. It meant a lot to her.
In a way, I'm glad she didn't live to see all this. It would break her heart, to see her natal church dragged through the mud by triumphant sodomites and catamites.
I'd like it a lot, too, if it meant keeping those assets away from monstrously evil spawn like Lambda Legal, GLAAD, and PFLAG. Think Kevin Jennings and Evan Wolfson and an army of leather- and mud-men, armed with half-a-billion dollars.
They’re already on the inside
You guys who were kids in the 1950s are so lucky.
That was an America I will never know.
I caught a fleeting glimpse of it in the 1970s, I turned to look and it was gone.
I was in the program as a youth from 1964-1972 in the deep South. Yes, those were the halcyon years before the social turmoil of the 1960s took effect and BSA peaked its membership in 1973 at 4 million.
I graduated HS in '73. That summer while framing houses, I was introduced to "The Dark Side of the Moon." That will always be my gold standard for PF.
i am getting real tired of the filthy disease ridden queers perverting everything in sight...
It only retreats if we let it. I work hard to put God back into everyday public discourse. Join me.
For those who don't know, the Mormons use the Boy Scouts as their official youth organization.
I am not a Mormon in any way, shape, or form, but I had thought up until now that the Mormons would be a solid influence keeping basic morality in the Boy Scouts.
Will somebody please post links to the Mormon decision on this?
I'm pinging Jeff Head since he seems to be our local Mormon Freeper who is both conservative and a staunch Mormon. I'm guessing he'll know exactly what is going on and how this happened.
Here’s what I’m not seeing discussed — the resolution that was approved states that a scout must “demonstrate behavior that exemplifies the highest level of good conduct and respect for others.” What if little Jimmy tells his gay tentmate at the campout that he believes in the Bible, and it states that homosexuality is wrong? Has he not just disrespected others — specifically the one group of “others” explicitly approved for membership by the new rule?
You can be sure that ACLU lawyers will be all over anyone expressing other than complete adulation for the homosexual lifestyle. This is the problem I see with everyone saying that the rule is an acceptable “love the sinner, hate the sin” approach. Anything short of loving the sin will get you bounced out of the troop and likely into court.
Before you disband, consider reaffiliating.
Read this article:
Since your church is PCA, take a close look at the Calvinist Cadet Corps. I'm pinging this to the Great Reformed Ping List (of which you are also a member) because I think reminding people of the existence of the Calvinist Cadet Corps may be of major interest to a lot of people in the OPC and PCA.
For those in other denominations, the article also references the Southern Baptist Convention's Royal Ambassadors, the Assemblies of God's Royal Rangers, and the Seventh Day Adventists’ Pathfinders.
I'm very much aware of the problems in the Christian Reformed Church, but the Calvinist Cadet Corps includes a number of people affiliated with the OPC, URC, and other conservative churches, and its leadership is quite a bit better than the CRC leadership.
A large influx of ex-Boy Scouts from the PCA might be exactly what the Calvinist Cadet Corps needs to stay on the straight path.
For those who don't know what the Calvinist Cadet Corps is, it was started by Dutch Reformed people who, even many decades ago when the Boy Scouts were a pinnacle of American civil religion, objected to the Boy Scouts on the grounds that it tried to teach morality without specifically Christian content. (It also didn't help that Baden-Powell fought the Boers in South Africa.) The Calvinist Cadet Corps has its problems, and they are not going to say things publicly critical of the Boy Scouts, but I know enough of the leadership to know that many of them would just **LOVE** to see a large influx of ex-Scouts right now in conservative Reformed and Presbyterian churches. They can't say that publicly but that doesn't mean they don't want the same thing frustrated PCA Scout leaders want.
If nothing is done, Calvinist Cadet Corps will go the same direction as the Christian Reformed Church. The CRC battle is lost, the Boy Scouts are probably lost, but the Calvinist Cadet Corps has a realistic chance of being saved.
Here's the link to the Calvinist Cadet Corps: http://www.calvinistcadets.org/
For anyone who calls using this link who knows me personally, tell Rick Broene, the Calvinist Cadet Corps director, that Darrell Todd Maurina suggested you call. We attended the same church nearly two decades ago, and while I declined his efforts to get me involved in Calvinist Cadet Corps (I had been a Cub Scout, but running around outdoors isn't my thing) I've been watching his work from a distance with a lot of appreciation over many years. This may be the right time for PCA and OPC churches to join his group en masse and provide the necessary critical mass to keep the organization a Christ-focused ministry to Reformed and Presbyterian boys and young men.
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