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Boy Scouts Approve Plan To Accept Openly Gay Boys
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Posted on 05/23/2013 3:20:16 PM PDT by Pyro7480

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I see a great number of freepers posting here will be stopping donations to the BSA....and/or withdrawing their boys from the organization.

This is good, but would be even better if you contacted the scouting nabobs by letter or email.

Is there anyone here familiar with scouting who can provide a useful, viable address or email addy link to the BSA....or perhaps to the grand poobah or board members of this organization?

Otherwise all the wails of protest appearing here are just so much whistling in the wind.....with only the approving FR choir reading them.

Contribution money talks....and believe me, any vote passed can be countermanded at some point. It ain't over till it's over.

Leni

201 posted on 05/23/2013 4:29:01 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Say Hey Trey!)
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To: Pyro7480
I wish they would have held out against Obama's pressure a little longer. With the FBI,EPA, FBI, etc. scandals, the pressure against Conservatives groups might start lifting.

Anyhow, here are some alternatives.

Faith Based Alternatives to Boy Scouts

202 posted on 05/23/2013 4:29:43 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta
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To: BillyBoy

Keep it, you’ll regret sending it away. I have mine and I have my old campfire blanket. Too many good memories you’ll never be able to replace.


203 posted on 05/23/2013 4:30:12 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Da Coyote

The Fudge Packing Badge.


204 posted on 05/23/2013 4:30:28 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Pyro7480

The end of the “Boy Scouts” as Americans knew them! How long before the lawsuits fly to change the name to the “Scouts?”

Hold on, its coming!


205 posted on 05/23/2013 4:31:39 PM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: Pyro7480

This is gonna be a legal disaster - and a lawyer’s dream ...

Imagine 11-year old “Lil’ Johnny Tenderfoot” getting buggered at camp by an older Scout in his troop, lets call him “Dougy Boy” [who is gay and 17-years old] ...

Now, since the vote, if this happens - the troop can be sued, the sponsoring organization of the troop can be sued [ie: a church], and the Boy Scout Regional [and National] Councils that run the camp can be sued. The reason is forseeable consequence and lack of provision for the young Scout’s safety.

Don’t believe me? It happened to me [getting sued] when I was a Camp Counselor in 1973. Young Scout’s family sued all of the above [and me, as the troop’s liasion and an employee at the camp].

They did not win, as it came out that older Scout had known he was gay and concealed it for 6 years in the troop. The court threw out the suit, saying that it was an unforseeable consequence, the older Scout had committed fraud, and that the troop/sponsoring organization/Scout Councils/and me had provided reasonable safety [although we did not know the older Scout was gay].

BUT, it was a MAJOR hassle for me while the litigation was on-going ...


206 posted on 05/23/2013 4:32:13 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: MinuteGal

I see a lot have posted on the BSA FaceBook page, they need to follow that up.


207 posted on 05/23/2013 4:32:54 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Pyro7480

Indeed... it is the end of scouting. I, for one, will never again support the BSA. It is a shame.


208 posted on 05/23/2013 4:32:58 PM PDT by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: Pyro7480
Statement by John Stemberger, founder of OnMyHonor.net ...

http://www.onmyhonor.net/whats-next/

Grapevine, TX – Following the vote today by the Boy Scouts of America’s voting delegates to pass the resolution allowing “open and avowed homosexuality” in the Boy Scouts, John Stemberger, Founder of OnMyHonor.Net, a coalition of members of the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) including parents, Scoutmasters, Eagle Scouts and other Scouting leaders who affirm Scouting’s timeless values, made the following statement:

“It is with great sadness and deep disappointment that we recognize on this day that the most influential youth program in America has turned a tragic corner. The vote today to allow open and avowed homosexuality into Scouting will completely transform it into an unprincipled and risky proposition for parents. It is truly a sad day for Scouting.

The Boy Scouts of America has a logo that bears the phrase ‘Timeless Values.’ Today, the BSA can no longer use this phrase in good faith. It has demonstrated by its actions that the organization’s values are not timeless, and instead they are governed by changing tides of polls, politics and public opinion.

The saddest part of today’s decision is what the organization is teaching our children and young people in the program.

The BSA is teaching our kids that when your values become unpopular, just change them.

The BSA is teaching our kids that when your convictions are challenged, just cave to peer pressure.

The BSA is teaching our kids that public opinion polls are more important than principles.

Today, the BSA is teaching our kids that you should not stand up for what is right instead you should stand up for what is popular.

The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to “prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Scout Law.”

BSA is teaching our kids through its new mission that we don’t make ethical and moral choices through the values of the Scout Oath and Scout Law but we make them like an unprincipled politician does, by putting your finger in the air and seeing which way the wind is blowing or by looking at the latest polling results.

What kind of a message are we sending to young people about being brave when its top adult leaders don’t even have the courage to stand up to the pressure of a militant lobby when the bullies in Washington DC, Hollywood or even some of their own renegade councils start pressuring and harassing them?

Each and every one of the thousands of Scouting families that have supported and followed our movement must now make a very difficult decision. We respect the right for each parent and family to decide whether they will continue their membership in the Boy Scouts of American or not.

Many, like me and my family, cannot continue to support an organization more concerned with the intolerant demands of activists while compromising the safety and security of the young people they swore to serve. In July of last year, after a two year study from 2010 to 2012, the BSA’s eleven member task force unanimously concluded that their existing policy on this issue was “the absolute best policy for the Boy Scouts of America.” Suddenly, less than a year later, that is abruptly reversed.

We hoped to keep sex and politics out of Scouting. Now we grieve for those young boys who will not have the wonderful traditions and experiences that so many of us have had in Scouting.

Despite this setback, we will look to the future. I am pleased to announce that OnMyHonor.Net along with other likeminded organizations, parents and BSA members, are announcing a coalition meeting that will take place next month in Louisville, Kentucky. There we will discuss the creation of a new character development organization for boys. While the meeting will be private, your voice is very important to us and will be represented there. We will host and facilitate a national coalition meeting of former BSA parents and other youth leaders who wish to return to truly timeless values that once made the BSA great. We welcome your comments as we develop our plans. Please share your thoughts with us at Contact@OnMyHonor.Net

We grieve today, not because we are faced with leaving Scouting, but because the Boy Scouts of America has left us. Its leadership has turned its back on 103 years of abiding by a mission to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices. Instead, it is embarking on a pathway of social experimentation that we believe will place at risk the very youth the organization is entrusted to serve, while rendering as hollow the tenets of the Scout Oath. Many of us find that unacceptable, and we have a desire to explore how we might serve families and young people at the highest standard originally intended by Scouting’s founder, Robert Baden-Powell.”

209 posted on 05/23/2013 4:34:10 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: AlexW

AlexW,
Thanks for not jumping on my case for disparaging that,
“Church”
NOt interested in anything that has lost its moral compass/


210 posted on 05/23/2013 4:34:35 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: MinuteGal

That’s what my troop did many years ago. However, the problem is the whole issue of troop recruitment. It’s not so much the attack on the troop - but on where the troop could meet. Many scouting groups meet on school grounds. What happened is that it became very difficult to find a place for the group to meet and it was hard to get boys interested in joining without the overall group support.

But that was fifteen years ago. I don’t know that things are different enough now to make this useful for the boys today.


211 posted on 05/23/2013 4:35:01 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: LUV W

“It’s a great first step, and the fact that they’ve gone to the Supreme Court to defend the right to discriminate shows the progress we’ve made,” the 33-year-old mother of four told ABCNews.com.

This is where I would normally say something about “salami tactics,” but it might be misinterpreted under the circumstances.


212 posted on 05/23/2013 4:35:05 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yep. They will cry victory even louder when it folds.


213 posted on 05/23/2013 4:35:08 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: Pyro7480

It is a sad day. I will never be able to put on that uniform again. I used to enjoy scouting. Good bye old friend.


214 posted on 05/23/2013 4:35:08 PM PDT by mikemoose (Pray for the Unborn)
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To: Pyro7480

Say goodbye to the “Morally Straight” part of the Scout Oath, it’s meaningless now.


215 posted on 05/23/2013 4:35:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MacNaughton

Bump.

Well worth reading.


216 posted on 05/23/2013 4:35:57 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Pyro7480

The Boy Scouts just took it.
217 posted on 05/23/2013 4:36:09 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle
Then this abomination is about triply horrible for you and your boys     :^(

This scout from the 60s offers his sincerest condolence.

218 posted on 05/23/2013 4:36:18 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Amen! Unfortunately many parents don’t care or we wouldn’t be in this mess. No one wants to be bothered to get involved.

There are really only three types of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who say, “What happened?” Author: Unknown

. . . It happened!


219 posted on 05/23/2013 4:37:16 PM PDT by Maudeen (Proverbs 3:5-6)
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To: lowbridge

incrementalism.


220 posted on 05/23/2013 4:37:28 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Pyro7480
Center>
221 posted on 05/23/2013 4:37:41 PM PDT by henbane
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The problem with your solution is that I am 100% certain that Scoutmasters will now be told to be inclusive and tolerant and weloming and make sure the atmosphere in scouting is inclusive and tolerant and welcoming and any boys not being that will be accused of homophobia. Silence about fagdom is now considered homophobia. Boys will be FORCED to be inclusive - “John, why don’t you want to share your tent with gay Mikey? Are you homophobic? Maybe you’re afraid you’re gay? You realize there’s nothing wrong with that!”

The boys who are supposedly “gay” will no doubt at all make a BF deal out of it, and be pushed by their two daddies or two mommies to do so, and anything that doesn’t suit them will be Law Suit Time.

The BSA of are OVER. Finito. End of the line.

Oh, and here’s my prediction: next, they fags will want the inclusion of “transgendered” boys/girls/etc AND “gay” Scoutmasters.


222 posted on 05/23/2013 4:38:18 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Next step is getting openly gay scoutmasters, and the gay pedos will flood in unimpeded.”

Guaranteed!


223 posted on 05/23/2013 4:38:23 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: baddog 219

LOVE IT! STOLEN!


224 posted on 05/23/2013 4:40:00 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: Pyro7480

I have donated large amounts of money to the BSA for several years... that just ended. Forever.


225 posted on 05/23/2013 4:41:37 PM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: aquila48

bump


226 posted on 05/23/2013 4:43:36 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Joe Boucher

“Thanks for not jumping on my case for disparaging that,
“Church””
_____________________________________

Yes, I know, first hand, what the ECUSA has become.
EVERYTHING happening in America today is designed to destroy the country as we knew it.
That is why I do not expect to ever return.


227 posted on 05/23/2013 4:44:13 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Pyro7480
Born into the Epsicopal Church in 1955. Walked away from it in NOV 2003 when the Diocese of NH consecrated the 1st homosexual bishop in the Episcopal Church, Gene Robinson.

Father was a Boy Scout and a scoutmaster. Me - Eagle Scout, assistant scoutmaster, council executive committee officer.

BSA membership (all programs) peaked in 1973 at 4,852,827. It's been downhill ever since. At the end of 2012 it was 2,658,794.

I will let the ashes settle before making any decision. I hope a new, conservative male youth organization will arise, but it will be difficult - just look at how dysfunctional most of the Christian denominations are regarding the issue of homosexuality.

What does the Bible say ... something about ... separating sheep from the goats?

228 posted on 05/23/2013 4:44:26 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton
Thanks for this info...

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I am going to give money as soon as I can!

229 posted on 05/23/2013 4:47:53 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Theodore R.

You are wrong. How do I know?

1. Chik-Fil-A

2. Penneys

3. Even in CA the people keep voting against fag marriage. In CA!


230 posted on 05/23/2013 4:47:57 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Pyro7480
From the article:What a brazen, arrogant statement.
231 posted on 05/23/2013 4:48:11 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Black Agnes

Homosexuals are not gay, they are practicing deviant behavior that rarely turns out good for anyone involved. When anyone refers to homosexuals as gay, they are complicit, even if a tiny bit, in this leftwing conspiracy.


232 posted on 05/23/2013 4:48:41 PM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: faithhopecharity
(There ARE some very good boys’ groups, some very similar to scouts, that are still committed to upholding some moral standards... move the kids there or call the nearest office of such a group and get help setting up a local unit for your boys)

You can check out the Royal Rangers (www.royalrangers.com). They are affiliated primarily with the Assemblies of God, but there are outposts established at other churches as well. Boys don't have be church members to join, but they have a distinctly Christian focus.

233 posted on 05/23/2013 4:48:48 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Pyro7480

I can’t believe it. This is a very sad day. The day Scouting died in America. My son’s Cub Scout pack that is sponsored by a PCA Presbyterian Church will be disbanding.


234 posted on 05/23/2013 4:49:09 PM PDT by A. Patriot ("I'm not a Republican, I'm a Conservative.")
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To: Pyro7480
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to Satan and my faggot President and to obey the Scout Law;
To protest other people at all times;
To keep myself physically limp wristed, mentally weak and amorally queer.

235 posted on 05/23/2013 4:49:17 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: re_nortex
The only possible good that may come of this is that the homosexual boys will be deprogrammed of their deviancy by good Christian Conservative scout leaders.

Wishful thinking, FRiend.

The same evil people who made sure they had this vote in the bag before they even brought it up for a vote -- do you think they would ever try it "in the dark"? -- will make sure the best people, the ones with straight backbones, are "weeded out" to "help the Scouts grow" in this "time of controversy" -- a "purge of the haters" if you will.

They've got it all laid out already -- including the vile names they'll call the people who founded and shepherded the BSA through what, 100 years? of morally and intellectually straight scouting.

236 posted on 05/23/2013 4:50:06 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Maudeen

See the problem is, the scouts just tweaked their own competition.

They had it. All.

That is no longer the case. I bet within a month, there will either be a significant national breakaway - perhaps even tearing the organization in half.

If that has not happened, then a new organization will form to challenge them.

Bring it.


237 posted on 05/23/2013 4:50:07 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: X-spurt

Exactly, as you say, and I never tire of repeating. When you use their language, you’ve surrendered before the discussion started. The medical-scientific term is ‘pederasty’.


238 posted on 05/23/2013 4:50:30 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Sheapdog

Morphing into the Obama Youth Brigade. Unfortunately, I’m not kidding. Gut the Boy Scouts of moral people and federalize it - pour in tons of money and eventually force kids into it - get them away from evil crazy spiritual rapist Christians.


Obama Jugend.


239 posted on 05/23/2013 4:50:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Pyro7480

The Boy Scouts think they have helped keep the wolves as bay with this ‘compromise’. No, this will only embolden the faggots to demand gay scoutmasters. They smell blood now and will next go for the throat


240 posted on 05/23/2013 4:53:15 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Revolting cat!

As someone who knows of what sexual violence can happen at a summer camp only too well, I tell you now, get your children away from this. What this does to a person over time is worth that person’s entire life.


241 posted on 05/23/2013 4:55:13 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: JDoutrider
Not a single damned penny ever again~!

I am with you brother. I will also tell them the reason why each time they ask. I do the same things with the Girl Scouts because they push their pro-death agenda down little girls's throats. When I do that it pisses my wife off, even though she is pro-life.

Let's see what my wife does when I say, "I don't give money to fags."

242 posted on 05/23/2013 4:55:31 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: X-spurt

Exactly. And ‘homophobia’ is a made-up BS word that should not be used by conservatives. If the libs don’t like the term ‘homosexual’, or regard ‘homo’ as a slur, then they should get rid of ‘homophobia’ too. Call it ‘homosexophobia’ instead.


243 posted on 05/23/2013 4:55:37 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Arguing with a marxist is like playing Chess with a Pigeon.)
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To: Pyro7480

That’s a damned shame. The BSA is done. It’s over. It’s sad.


244 posted on 05/23/2013 4:56:27 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Proud contributer to the Free Republic Q-2 Freepathon.)
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To: Pyro7480

time for christian scouts of usa.


245 posted on 05/23/2013 4:56:53 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Pyro7480

so watch the attendance go down,yet again the homostapo ruins another fine institution because of their need t tell everyone of their perversion.

So who has said yes to this, name names if we know them and maybe contact list.

If the homostapo wanted to have a queer boy scouts like the Hitler youth then why not set their own up, oh YEA TO RUIN ANOTHER TRADITION


246 posted on 05/23/2013 4:57:09 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Girl Scouts went pro-gay and pro-abortion long ago


247 posted on 05/23/2013 4:57:24 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Pyro7480

“The Order of the Arrow” has new meaning now.

Glad to have lived and become an Eagle Scout when I did. I’ll probably still hang onto my medal and sash to remind me of the honor that once was, and now is lost.


248 posted on 05/23/2013 4:57:36 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

See posts 209 and 229.


249 posted on 05/23/2013 4:57:51 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: drewh; little jeremiah; GeronL
[PR Statement] “The Boy Scouts of America will not sacrifice its mission, or the youth served by the movement, by allowing the organization to be consumed by a single, divisive, and unresolved societal issue. As the National Executive Committee just completed a lengthy review process, there are no plans for further review on this matter.

There it is. The real reason. The NEC felt the heat the queer NGO's were generating and folded, just folded, to get the issue off the table.

The queers harassed them into surrendering. Now guess what the average Scout is going to get?

Moral cowards will do it every time. No backbones, no notochords, no nothing. Just plenty of yellow, and Lucifers on their board whispering the counsel of surrender.

250 posted on 05/23/2013 4:58:34 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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