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Electric Cars: Next They'll Have To Give Them Away
Investors.com ^ | May 23, 2013 | Editorial

Posted on 05/23/2013 4:55:05 PM PDT by jazusamo

Government Failure: Two years ago the president announced his goal of putting 1 million electric cars on U.S. roads by 2015. Did he mention that to reach that target the unpopular cars might have to be given away?

The market for electric cars is so weak that consumer costs are approaching almost nothing. The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday that in order to "spark buyers for electric cars," there is a need to "drop the price to nearly $0."

"A new round of discount leases on mainstream-brand plug-in cars such as the Nissan Leaf or Fiat 500e, combined with federal, state and local electric-vehicle incentives, could make a battery-electric car an extraordinarily economical way to get around for drivers," reports the Journal.

The favoritism that government shows to electric cars should offend any fair-minded and decent person.

Despite taxpayer money already wasted on forcing a technology that's not ready, President Obama last month proposed raising the Energy Department's vehicle research budget by 75% — adding $575 million in spending. He also wants to raise the federal tax credit for buying an electric car from $7,500 to $10,000.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: electricvehicles; obama; subsidies; taxcredit
Obama doesn't mind throwing taxpayer money down the toilet.
1 posted on 05/23/2013 4:55:06 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Reminds me of my liberal friend who said we would be flying planes, moving tankers and hauling rolling stock all with solar powered transportation within 8 years! LOL.


2 posted on 05/23/2013 4:57:04 PM PDT by toddausauras (FUBO x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)
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To: jazusamo

2014 Volkswagen XL1, The 261-MPG Car, Debuts
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1082472_2014-volkswagen-xl1-the-261-mpg-car-debuts


3 posted on 05/23/2013 4:57:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: jazusamo

I used to think this until I saw the new Tesla model S!

I am literally drooling over it.


4 posted on 05/23/2013 4:58:48 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: toddausauras

Ha! Sure sounds like a lib.


5 posted on 05/23/2013 4:59:09 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: jazusamo

They give everything else away, why not cars too?


6 posted on 05/23/2013 5:00:46 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: jazusamo

Yes he is a straight up huffposter salon guy and he gets so offended when I laugh at him.


7 posted on 05/23/2013 5:00:50 PM PDT by toddausauras (FUBO x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)
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To: jazusamo

Doubt I’d have any use for one even if free.


8 posted on 05/23/2013 5:01:48 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep, I read that yesterday, sounds good but I’ll wait for the actual reports after release.


9 posted on 05/23/2013 5:02:03 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: jazusamo

Bookmark


10 posted on 05/23/2013 5:02:07 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: jazusamo

An odd editorial. At the end of 2012 there were 50,000 or so electric cars on the road.

So far in 2013, Tesla has sold 21,000 more electrics and BMW is rolling out the iDrive or the i8 electric.

Honda sells a compressed natural gas car retail, too.

The net effect is that U.S. drivers have options in retail stores today if OPEC ever tried to embargo oil again.

A second oil embargo would no longer work.


11 posted on 05/23/2013 5:02:24 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: jazusamo

I would consider an electric car, at a reasonable price. There is no price at which I would accept a GM product, Volt or otherwise. I am boycotting that disgustingly corrupt company forever.


12 posted on 05/23/2013 5:02:29 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: jazusamo

In fact electric cars makes perfect sense for urban commute in mild climate (if there’s no need to use a/c or heating).


13 posted on 05/23/2013 5:03:09 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: jazusamo
The July 2013 issue of Consumer Reports gave the Tesla Model S the highest rating of any car in the magazine's history:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2013/07/tesla-model-s-review/index.htm

14 posted on 05/23/2013 5:03:09 PM PDT by grundle
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Yep, but the price tag is humongous.


15 posted on 05/23/2013 5:03:34 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: jazusamo

Also, the editorial completely botches the Toyota Prius sales stats. As of March 2013, a total of 2.93 million Prius hybrids have been sold worldwide.

Cumulative sales of 1 million Prius hybrids were achieved in the U.S. by early April 2011.


16 posted on 05/23/2013 5:04:29 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: jazusamo

They pulled it for some reason.


17 posted on 05/23/2013 5:04:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: jazusamo; TexasFreeper2009

Yeah, but Hollywood and the Hamptons like them.


18 posted on 05/23/2013 5:05:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks, I was unaware it was pulled.


19 posted on 05/23/2013 5:05:45 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Southack

“A second oil embargo would no longer work.”

Because between Canada and the Domestic oil production, we could get along without the middle east oil.

They know it. They won’t try another embargo, ever.

Alternative power for vehicles has nothing to do with it.


20 posted on 05/23/2013 5:08:56 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It wasn’t too long ago that only people in Hollywood and the Hamptons could afford plasma TV’s, now they are almost giving them away in the middle isle of walmart.


21 posted on 05/23/2013 5:10:07 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: jazusamo

I believe that million cars is in a law somewhere.


22 posted on 05/23/2013 5:10:20 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL - A manufacturer renown for horribly unreliable electronics marketing an electric car! That there is funny...


23 posted on 05/23/2013 5:13:59 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

$100,000 price range


24 posted on 05/23/2013 5:14:18 PM PDT by Optimist
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To: jazusamo

I still don’t know why it was pulled.


25 posted on 05/23/2013 5:14:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: Caipirabob

Never heard that about VW. Knew the English cars had that reputation.


26 posted on 05/23/2013 5:15:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: Optimist

I would rather have a 2013 Shelby GT500 for $65k.


27 posted on 05/23/2013 5:18:47 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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28 posted on 05/23/2013 5:21:17 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4tMIvou-Ds

Ugly butt. I’d rather be seen cruising on my lawnmower.


29 posted on 05/23/2013 5:45:12 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: jazusamo
Even if the electric cars were given away, I doubt there would be all that many takers.

To make use of their “free” electric car the consumer would first need an electrician to install a high voltage electric charging unit in their homes. Second consumers would have to plan their routine travel so as to have charging stations at or along the way to their destination. Consumers would also have restrict their driving to the limited range of the vehicle making ample allowance for the use of heaters, defrosters, windshield wipers, headlights and colder temperatures all of which can significantly reduce the range of the vehicle not to mention possibly having to forgo the use of battery draining air conditioning and stereo systems. Forget about packing up the family and driving to a summer vacation spot without having again to carefully plan for numerous hours long recharges enroute. I doubt that with all this inconvenience there would be many takers for these "free" cars

30 posted on 05/23/2013 5:49:52 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: The Great RJ
Just bolt one of thes puppies on the back bumper and unlimited milage.


31 posted on 05/24/2013 1:59:47 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: Southack
Also, the editorial completely botches the Toyota Prius sales stats

I'm pretty sure the article is referring to sales of the plug-in prius only. The regular prius is quite popular. The plug-in version apparently not so much.

32 posted on 05/24/2013 2:11:43 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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To: toddausauras
Reminds me of my liberal friend who said we would be flying planes, moving tankers and hauling rolling stock all with solar powered transportation within 8 years! LOL.

You know I vacillate between knowing what a farce in many ways the whole Hybrid / Electric Car thing is and yet at the same time having "auto gnomes" seeing the Ford "C-Max" being a hybrid I could actually swing.

But a number of "Ugknowns" are out their, that could make this a reality. In a pure sense if you are a car guy, you might a agree, the electric car is fairly simple under the hood, minus the battery and it's recharge. Now to the Ugknowns...

* Is it Moore's law (not really a law) that Computer speed doubles every 18 months.
* This is being applied to Solar Panels, and even the Business Insider is hinting behind the scenes things are happening.
* Now will we get from these two inventions ( below ) what I call the an "anti-battery" breakthrough?
* By that I mean the "Graphene" super-capacitor work being done @ UCLA and elsewhere.
* Add to that the 18 yr old that one 50k with a H-Ti-O2 + POLYANILINE super-capacitor battery for her Cell Phone.

IMHO it is and has always been the battery, are we on the verge of an anti-battery breakthrough, and does Solar have it's breakthrough in Parallel? Perhaps.

I know one thing, I know of one Conservative Family in a lather about Smart Meters that are looking towards home-generator ( and my guess eventually solar ) as means of saying no way to that insanity.

Their may come a time soon when Conservatives gravitate to such technologies to keep Gov't out of their yards and out of their meters.....

33 posted on 05/24/2013 2:55:12 AM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: jazusamo

Why does Ford have a plug in electric car now? Is there really a market?


34 posted on 05/24/2013 4:17:50 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: taildragger

No matter how much efficiency you can pull from an electric battery, you will still run up against physical limitations.

Moving a car of a certain mass over a distance will always take a certain amount of energy. The only real energy savings would be in minimizing the amount of waste energy—the energy that goes into heating the engine, overcoming friction, etc.

I think the hybrids are nice, in that they manage to recapture some of the energy that would otherwise be lost, and so manage to pull more usable energy out of the gas. The only problem is that they are ugly. Really, really ugly.


35 posted on 05/24/2013 4:39:27 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: jazusamo

The money passes through the hands of Democrats. The electric car is merely a conduit for the theft

The Democrat party is a criminal enterprise


36 posted on 05/24/2013 4:42:29 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....Obama Denies Role in Government)
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To: exDemMom
Agree, no stranger to Physics, just needed to be reminded. But in the back of my mind is, what energy densities will they achieve with Graphene and H-Ti-O2 super and or ultra-capacitors / new batteries and if so, are their dangers with energy densities that high in a format we are not figured out how to handle like we have gasoline.

Overcoming friction?

Look into Ceramic Bearings ( coated with WS2 ), Isotropic Superfinishing, WS2 ( Tungsten DiSulfide ) Coatings, and Cryogenic Treating of engine and driveline parts as a per-cursor to these processes mentioned.... Interesting stuff.

37 posted on 05/24/2013 6:35:04 AM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: hattend
Why does Ford have a plug in electric car now? Is there really a market?

As to why they have one now, their is probably a host of reasons, it is a an Electric Focus, and it isn't selling all that well.

But no one notices what that have done with that platform and it's top-hats, i.e the Escape, C-Max and I think the Transit Connect. What they have done is what GM did in the late 60's. You could get a Nova with an Iron Duke 4 cylinder all the way up to a 427 Big Block and a ton of engines in between.

With the EPA etc driving them, they have a different paradigm today, but they have the following options. 2 eco-boost engines, ( potentially a 3rd with a 3 cylinder coming here ) Hybrid and plug in hybrid called Energi, and a pure electric. That is a total of 6, if you do not include the CNG Transit Connect for Taxi's (note I think the new Transit Connect will finally be on the Focus Platform).

38 posted on 05/24/2013 6:42:37 AM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: TexasFreeper2009

You gonna buy one?


39 posted on 05/24/2013 6:42:44 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: hattend
Many believe GM and Ford have the Volt and Focus plug ins as well as other companies EV’s because of the higher mileage requirements of Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE), I tend to agree.

Those standards, which raised average fuel efficiency by 2016 to the equivalent of 35.5 mpg and to over 50 mpg by the middle of the next decade.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/About+NHTSA/Press+Releases/2012/Obama+Administration+Finalizes+Historic+54.5+mpg+Fuel+Efficiency+Standards

40 posted on 05/24/2013 8:35:16 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: grundle

So this one actually worked?


41 posted on 05/24/2013 8:59:53 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I had a pal buy a Jetta and a Passat brand new a few years back. Both vehicles suffered disastrous breakdowns of the electrical system at the worst times. He went from “highly supportive” to “OMG why...WHY?!?” - lol...I warned him, too!


42 posted on 05/24/2013 3:21:11 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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