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Female SO19 Firearms Officer Shot Woolwich Suspects
Eliteukforces.info ^ | 23rd May 2013 | Eliteukforces.info

Posted on 05/23/2013 5:06:09 PM PDT by the scotsman

'The Police Officer who shot the 2 suspects in the Woolwich terrorist attack is one of the few female members of the Met's elite firearms squad, SCO19. [1]

It was reported that around 14 minutes after the initial 999 call regarding the horrific murder of an off-duty soldier in the street by Artillery Place, near Woolwich Barracks, London, armed police arrived and confronted the 2 suspects who had seemingly made no effort to flee. Both suspects were brandishing weapons, including knives, a cleaver and a revolver. Both suspects were subsequently shot by one of the armed officers, believed to be a woman.

Specialist Firearms Command, designated as SCO19 (formerly CO19) is a branch of the Metropolitan Police Service. SCO19 fields Armed Response Vehicles (ARVs) which provide the first armed response to an incident such as the one in Woolwich yesterday. An ARV usually carries 3 SCO19 officers who are typically armed with G36 5.56mm carbines, MP5 9mm smgs and Glock 17 9mm pistols.

SCO19 also deploys Specialist Firearms Officers (SFOs) who carry out pre-planned operations and a Rifle Section of marksmen who have a counter-sniper capability.'

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1 posted on 05/23/2013 5:06:09 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Police Firearms unit - cO19 (SCO19)
‘CO19 is Scotland Yard’s specialist firearms unit. This elite cadre of highly-trained police officers are on standby to respond to any armed incident in London. Both men and women can join CO19. The unit trains all other UK armed police officers.

CO19 has around 550 members, including training staff, SFOs and ARV units.’

http://www.eliteukforces.info/police/CO19/


2 posted on 05/23/2013 5:06:40 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

You must be a night owl. Isn’t it 1 am where you are?


3 posted on 05/23/2013 5:07:49 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

LOL

1.10AM, I fell asleep for the last 4hrs, I am now wide awake.


4 posted on 05/23/2013 5:09:46 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman
no, she didn't... from the Mirror

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-attack-watch-shocking-video-1907772

She was armed with just a Taser as she sat in the driver’s seat of the BMW X5 and was only saved when a male colleague sitting in the back made a split-second decision to fire his machine-gun from point blank range through the window.

5 posted on 05/23/2013 5:11:23 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Even though I myself posted the Mirror link, I wouldnt take what they say as gospel. UK papers are bad when it comes to talking about guns and armed units.


6 posted on 05/23/2013 5:12:53 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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7 posted on 05/23/2013 5:13:53 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Chode

I saw that too.. It was the man behind her with a machine gun that shot through the vehicle windows to take him down. Watching that real time, it was hard to tell what happened it happened so fast.


8 posted on 05/23/2013 5:15:23 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: the scotsman

..and the media loves to hype females as the heroes, even if not true. Jessica Lynch comes to mind. She froze and didn’t fire a shot.


9 posted on 05/23/2013 5:16:42 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: the scotsman

Around 1988 I met a British cop who was attending a religious retreat in the North Carolina mountains.

I got to talking to him, and mentioned their cops not carrying guns. He told me that he actually did carry a Walther PPK but that it was concealed.

I am not sure what unit he belonged to, maybe something like this one but it surprised me. He was also a lay preacher in a Southern Baptist Church.

Just about everything about him was something I would never have guessed.


10 posted on 05/23/2013 5:18:15 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: the scotsman

I guess you’ll be up all night and the next day then.


11 posted on 05/23/2013 5:21:07 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: the scotsman

She needs much more range time. Much more.


12 posted on 05/23/2013 5:23:48 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: the scotsman

They might want to start training on response time.


13 posted on 05/23/2013 5:24:53 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

Actually, they are usually lightning quick, there is some query here as to why they took 20m. Although that is probably more likely down to the news/order getting to them, rather than they being slow to respond.


14 posted on 05/23/2013 5:26:26 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman
It took 14 minutes for armed police officers to arrive and in the mean time the armed terrorists could have killed scores of unarmed citizens. Doesn't gun control make you feel so safe?

Consider, that in 1876 when the Jesse James gang tried to rob the bank in Northfield, MN they were met with a hail of bullets from armed citizens and an armed citizen posse chased down and either killed or captured most of the gang members.

15 posted on 05/23/2013 5:26:36 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: the scotsman

I had read 30 mins.


16 posted on 05/23/2013 5:27:44 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: the scotsman

Someday all British cops will be qualified to carry a gun, hopefully, in the meantime they should at least let American tourists carry the same guns that we wear back home.


17 posted on 05/23/2013 5:29:05 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: mylife

Seems to have been 9 for the normal police, 20 for armed. It should have been around 9 for both.


18 posted on 05/23/2013 5:29:10 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

I carry a firearm because a cop wont fit in my pocket.


19 posted on 05/23/2013 5:30:27 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: The Great RJ

Same thing happened to the Dalton Gang in Coffeyville, Kansas.

They were wiped out by armed citizens.


20 posted on 05/23/2013 5:35:58 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: ansel12

The majority of British police and public, inc myself, do not want an fully-armed police. I wouldnt be adverse to all UK police being at least trained in firearms, and I want more armed units, but for all the hype, UK serious violence, gun crime/gun murder/terrorism, is still very low. Even most UK criminals overall arent armed. The UK has not (and will never reach) the level of violence that means an all-armed police force.

Nope. Britain, for all the hype, and yesterday, is still a safe country to live and travel in. You do not need weapons whilst travelling here. Millions of Americans and tourists come to the UK every year and are safe and have a great time with no crime. If you cant abide by our laws and culture, dont come.


21 posted on 05/23/2013 5:36:02 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks the scotsman.


22 posted on 05/23/2013 5:37:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: the scotsman
also from the Mirror but it seems to back up what was reported...

IPCC investigators have viewed CCTV of what happened, and said two officers fired guns and one discharged a Taser.

23 posted on 05/23/2013 5:37:48 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: the scotsman

That was kind of an odd post in view of the topic of this thread, but I guess that kind of thinking is what is leading Britain down this path of regression and Islamic domination and shrinking from the world stage.


24 posted on 05/23/2013 5:39:49 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: the scotsman

She needs to hit the range more often.

The perps threatened her with a knife and meat cleaver. She should have followed basic threat suppression tactics: Two to the chest and one to the head.


25 posted on 05/23/2013 5:40:02 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ansel12

Post 21?.


26 posted on 05/23/2013 5:41:58 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

“Seems to have been 9 [minutes response time] for the normal police, 20 for armed.”

When an emergency call is made, the armed British cops drive thru the Chunnel to Switzerland to pick up their guns, then drive back to England and confront the assailants.


27 posted on 05/23/2013 5:42:51 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: LyinLibs

LOL

Didnt you know Clarkson, May and Hammond are secret cops?. LOL


28 posted on 05/23/2013 5:43:52 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

Actually the violent crime rate in Britain has risen dramatically since they became serious about gun control in 1919.

Before 1900, just about no gun controls at all in Britain and the entire country averaged less than 5 armed robberies per year. That is according to a British constable named Colin Greenwood.

According to the former head of the U.S. Federal prison system, the rate of crime among Americans of European descent is just about identical to most European countries.


29 posted on 05/23/2013 5:44:01 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: the scotsman
Your article claims this "The Police Officer who shot the 2 suspects in the Woolwich terrorist attack is one of the few female members of the Met's elite firearms squad, SCO19. [1] But the source they give [1] only says that the female cop was "involved"--""THE officer involved in the Woolwich shooting is one of only a handful of women in Scotland Yard’s elite CO19 unit."" A unit known for affirmative action. Are you sure that you are accurate to be claiming that the woman shot them both?
30 posted on 05/23/2013 5:49:43 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: yarddog

“....the rate of crime among Americans of European descent is just about identical to most European countries.”

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Does that mean that diversity is not all what it is cracked up to be?

Too late now.


31 posted on 05/23/2013 5:50:14 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: yarddog

As I have opinted out numerous times, British classification of violent crime skews how ‘violent’ the UK is. The fact is that we have a fraction of the gun crime, gun murder and murder of the US. One fifth the size but levels of some violent crime are one-sixteenth.

The UK rise remember comes from a level of near-zero, which is why the UK was considered perhaps the safest place on earth at one time and the British bobby didnt need anything but his trusty truncheon.

Yes, the UK has got more violent, but is still a safe/very safe nation. I am sure the many Americans who live here would tell you that.


32 posted on 05/23/2013 5:50:15 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

14 minutes. In *London*. Bravo.


33 posted on 05/23/2013 5:55:53 PM PDT by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: the scotsman

I am not all that familiar with British or UK crime statistics but I read an article recently which said their rate of occupied home burglaries is many times worse than in the U.S.

I don’t know what they are but some other types of crime were greater than here.


34 posted on 05/23/2013 5:56:29 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: Chode

I take offense with the publiciized statement that it took ONLY 14 MINUTES for armed police to show up.

According to WITNESSES , it was 20 minutes before ARMED POLICE arrived , to confront 2 armed jihadists.
Police may have arrived withihn 6 minutes , then seeing that the perps were armed , called for armed police backup .
That would be another 14 minutes later that armed police could confront armed terrorists.

That is a secenario that I can beleive in a disarmed community where guns are looked down upon.
I believe witnesses , .. not the media release .


35 posted on 05/23/2013 5:58:38 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: the scotsman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLp4FhDAfQk


36 posted on 05/23/2013 5:59:20 PM PDT by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
a sad sad state of affairs...
37 posted on 05/23/2013 6:04:11 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: the scotsman

Had that been Texas , Arizona, Alaska, Vermont, Florida etc ...more than likely said “average” woman would have dropped her groceries to the curb, drawn her pistol, stepped out of the crowd watching these two bastards and stopped it before the soldier was murdered.....

Specialist Brit cop my ass....


38 posted on 05/24/2013 12:06:22 AM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Chode

I had a feeling that was going to be the case.


39 posted on 05/24/2013 12:08:23 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: the scotsman
You are on borrowed time.
40 posted on 05/24/2013 12:09:45 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: the scotsman

You do not need weapons whilst travelling here.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

As long as one stays on the beaten path this is true. But you know that there are certain sections of Glasgow that are not safe for anyone, including police.Its the same with all of thelarger cities in Britain.

It also can be dangerous in the Highlands of Scotland, where tourists can and have been be murdered repeatedly.

I could never live in Britain , where now it is only with the greatest of difficulty that one can even have a shotgun in one’s home. The People there are having to fend off burglers with pikes and swords, just as in the old days.


41 posted on 05/24/2013 1:07:34 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7; the scotsman
It can also be dangerous in the Highlands of Scotland, where tourists can and have been be murdered repeatedly.

If you'll forgive me saying so, that comment betrays how little grasp you have of life in Britain. As I spend a good part of every year in many different areas of the Highlands, I can happily assure you that the comment is utterly, utterly absurd. The only offensive weapon you need in the Highlands is the (yet-to-be-invented) Weapon of Mass Midge Destruction.

42 posted on 05/24/2013 1:31:35 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: Winniesboy

You are mistaken in assuming the Highlands are safe. They are not.

For example:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-21178522

Man who attacked American tourist in punishment review
Marty Layman-Mendonca had been on her third trip to Scotland

Related Stories
Tourist attacker jailed for life
Tourist dies months after attack
Recovery hopes for assault woman

A man convicted of the attempted murder of an American tourist has had his sentence referred to the High Court of Justiciary after a review.

Colin Ross attacked Marty Layman-Mendonca, 57, as she walked near Inverness in 2006. She later died.

Ross became the first person to get an Order for Lifelong Restriction.

The Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission has decided the punishment part of 20 years is excessive and referred it to the High Court.

Ms Layman-Mendonca, a primary school teacher, was on her third visit to Scotland.

She had been walking the last six miles of a solo trek along the Great Glen Ways, south of Inverness, when Ross attacked her with a metal pipe.

After assaulting Ms Layman-Mendonca, Ross stole from her, tied her wrists together with shoelaces and dumped her in woods.

After being treated at Raigmore Hospital, Ms Layman-Mendonca was flown to a medical centre near her home in Vermont in September.

She was later transferred to a rehabilitation centre in Bangor, Maine, where she died.

Ross, of Inverness, became the first person to get an Order for Lifelong Restriction, meaning he would be monitored for life.

Colin Ross was sentenced in December 2006 Sentencing Ross at the High Court in Edinburgh in December 2006, Lord Wheatley ordered him to serve at least 20 years before he was considered for parole.

Ross, who admitted attempted murder at an earlier hearing, was told that he had committed a “savage and senseless” assault on a defenceless woman.

Northern Constabulary, whose officers found Ms Layman-Mendonca and later arrested Ross, welcomed the sentence.

Ross was the subject of a Sexual Offence Prevention Order when he launched his attack.

Less than a month earlier, Ross had been freed from a three-year jail sentence for attacking a female German tourist in 2004.


43 posted on 05/24/2013 1:49:25 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: the scotsman

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44 posted on 05/24/2013 1:57:40 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: The Great RJ

Consider that was only a dozen or so years after the end of the Civil War, and there were probably plenty of veterans and young men trained in use of firearms by veterans of that conflict involved in the episode you describe.

The “wild” West wasn’t very wild, really, especially when compared to a modern urban ghetto. I maintain the above is one of the key reasons why.


46 posted on 05/24/2013 3:26:12 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: yarddog

See my post just above.


47 posted on 05/24/2013 3:27:20 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: the scotsman

LOL. Down here in Florida, that Muzzie animal would have been shot in the first 45 seconds of his attack by a citizen.


48 posted on 05/24/2013 3:33:20 AM PDT by EricT. (Another Muslim terrorist. Who saw that coming?)
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To: Candor7
You are mistaken in assuming the Highlands are safe. They are not.

You conclude that from the example you quote?

A few years ago there was a notorious case in Britain in which a 3-year-old toddler was tortured and killed by two 11-year-old boys. Applying your logic, it would follow that no 3-year-olds are safe in Britain because the country is riddled with child killers.

The size of your inductive leap from the particular (a single murderer) to the general is quite breathtaking.

Three million American citizens visit Britain on business or pleasure every year. Three million. Don't you think that if even a small fraction of this very large sample group had encountered or been at risk of violence directed against them, you might have heard about it in your media?

49 posted on 05/24/2013 4:06:32 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: the scotsman

Fine with me. In the coming storm, we’re going to need all the heroes we can muster. I don’t see Islamic fanaticism retreating on its own, just expanding. Our “president” only encourages these animals.


50 posted on 05/24/2013 4:40:28 AM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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