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Woolwich attack video: Firearms expert's view on extraordinary Daily Mirror footage
Daily Mirror ^ | 24th May 2013 | Peter Kirkham

Posted on 05/23/2013 5:55:04 PM PDT by the scotsman

'This is a terrible situation for any armed officer to face.

I have never ever seen or even heard of a scenario where two suspects attack a victim and then remain on the scene in full view waiting for the police to arrive.

Training covers ‘precise’ situations which are contained and there is a good understanding of what is happening and ‘imprecise’ ones, which are much less controlled.

This is at the extreme end of the imprecise spectrum.

As soon as the armed response vehicle turns the corner and before it has even stopped they have sprung into action.

The man with the knife is sprinting directly at them, he seems determined to get at the officers.

The woman officer driving may have had her Tazer on her lap as she would not risk putting a live firearm on her lap wile she was driving.'

(Excerpt) Read more at mirror.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; davidcameron; philiphammond; unitedkingdom; waronterror; woolwich

1 posted on 05/23/2013 5:55:04 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Please see my comment on the last thread where you were being unfairly hammered. Thanks.


2 posted on 05/23/2013 5:58:17 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Thanks for the support. Much appreciated.


3 posted on 05/23/2013 6:04:13 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman
I have never ever seen or even heard of a scenario where two suspects attack a victim and then remain on the scene in full view waiting for the police to arrive.

I think it was the shock value of it all that made people kind of stand there like "OMG what just happened". The 9/11 terrorists used similar shocked tactics on the planes they highjacked.

4 posted on 05/23/2013 6:04:20 PM PDT by apro
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To: the scotsman

They also didn’t shoot bystanders, like they would certainly do in New York.


5 posted on 05/23/2013 6:05:24 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: the scotsman
...first aid mode, trying to save the lives of thepeople they've just shot.

What on earth or? Do they need a confession to make the action legit?

6 posted on 05/23/2013 6:06:02 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Vince Ferrer

In Texas or New Mexico, the bystanders would have almost certainly shot the bad guys before the cops even got there. There would be no way anyone could do that, stand there in the street for 20 minutes, and live to tell about it.

But WE are the crazy ones, not the Brits or the Bostonese who break falafel with the moslem SOBs.


7 posted on 05/24/2013 12:28:27 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: apro
"I have never ever seen or even heard of a scenario where two suspects attack a victim and then remain on the scene in full view waiting for the police to arrive."

A look at Muslim traditions influenced by the Order of Assassins may help.

Perhaps most terrifying, the Assassins chose not only a close and personal manner of killing but performed it implacably, refusing to flee afterward and appearing to welcome their own swift death."

http://www.historynet.com/holy-terror-the-rise-of-the-order-of-assassins.htm#sthash.nVzcIrGV.dpuf
8 posted on 05/24/2013 12:55:19 AM PDT by rjbemsha
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To: the scotsman

Righteous kill. Too bad they sent these Islamofascists to their 72 Virginians so quickly.

This was a shoot out, and well done as well.

The guys in the white hats won.


9 posted on 05/24/2013 12:56:03 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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10 posted on 05/24/2013 1:03:51 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: rjbemsha

Excellent point.

Though it is entirely possible these guys are not at all familiar with this history.

The Assassins were Muslim heretics and their primary victims were other Muslims.


11 posted on 05/24/2013 1:15:25 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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>> This is a terrible situation for any armed officer to face.

>> The man with the knife is sprinting directly at them, he seems determined to get at the officers.

Seriously? Gotta be better than killing a chained dog.


12 posted on 05/24/2013 1:46:39 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: onyx

Islam is a war plan.


13 posted on 05/24/2013 1:47:15 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Sherman Logan
Nobody, NOBODY, NOBODY kills more mooselimbs than other mooselimbs.....and that's a damned shame!
14 posted on 05/24/2013 1:48:04 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: the scotsman
Quite obviously written by someone who does not have English as their primary language.

"Video currently not available. Please try later"
15 posted on 05/24/2013 2:00:59 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Candor7

Perps were wounded not killed.


16 posted on 05/24/2013 2:47:04 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: the scotsman

I think the British police should not have firearms. Guns are too dangerous and they might get into the hands of criminals. They should be issued meat cleavers instead. This would reduce the chances of killing an innocent muzzlem bystander.

/s just in case


17 posted on 05/24/2013 3:03:01 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

In a CWC state, these terrorists would be taken out.


18 posted on 05/24/2013 3:59:03 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: DesertRhino

This incident would end with the same terrorists down after having been shot if this was attempted in a CWC state.


19 posted on 05/24/2013 4:01:19 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: the scotsman

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-attack-two-arrested-after-1908118

“We began inquiries into the comments and at around 3.20am two men, aged 23 and 22, were detained at two addresses in Bristol.

“The men were arrested under the Public Order Act on suspicion of inciting racial or religious hatred. Our inquiries into these comments continue.

Some pretty strong laws you got there protecting the reputations of these islamosadists. Almost enough to cheer on the moslem sickos to finish the job of destroying freedom.


20 posted on 05/24/2013 6:01:03 AM PDT by soycd
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To: soycd

The men will be named if charged. I think your reading too much into that.


21 posted on 05/24/2013 6:04:52 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

>she would not risk putting a live firearm on her lap wile she was driving

Safety first you know. I wouldn’t have it in my lap either, it would be pointed out the window ready to burn cordite.


22 posted on 05/24/2013 6:06:48 AM PDT by soycd
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To: the scotsman

Why not have a loaded firearm on your lap and ready for action?


23 posted on 05/24/2013 6:11:26 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD; All

“Why not have a loaded firearm on your lap and ready for action?”

Because it is not really “ready for action”. If you have to brake hard, make a sharp turn, take evasive action, it can easily end up on the floor and under the front seat.

It is a lesson from the FBI Miami shootout with Platt and Matix in the 1986. Several FBI agents put their firearms on their laps or on the car seat, then spent most of the gun fight looking for them after they bounced around the floor as they crash stopped Platt and Matix in their stolen Monte Carlo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout


24 posted on 05/24/2013 6:46:21 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

I read an article about how most British police units do no carry guns so a special unit which did had to be called in. One day they will learn. Maybe.


25 posted on 05/24/2013 8:11:42 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

A fair number of British police do carry guns, but it is a small percentage.

When I was a dealer, I got a sweet deal from an importer who had managed to snag Smith & Wesson model 10 London police pistols when they upgraded to the Glock 17. This was about 10-12 years ago.

Those model 10’s had British proof marks, and had lots of carry wear, but appeared to have been shot little. They were and are a wonderful revolver. I may have one or two hanging around somewhere, but I sold most of them. I think I eventually went through about two dozen of them.


26 posted on 05/24/2013 9:12:29 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

Excellent. Thanks.


27 posted on 05/24/2013 10:44:59 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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