Skip to comments.I-5 bridge collapses over Skagit River, sending vehicles, people into water
Posted on 05/24/2013 12:18:57 AM PDT by djf
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Didn’t Obama just spend a Trillion dollars on “ROADS AND BRIDGES” “ROADS AND BRIDGES”, ROADS AND BRIDGES.....
Yes, I think you're right.
NO no the bridge collapse problem was addressed by our great federal government in the late 70s THE NATIONAL BRIDGE INSPECTION PROGRAM. Nothing to see here move o”a trucker on drugs and talking on his cell phone hit the bridge?
LOL - none of us are ever going to buy into lame liberal excuses again... we have their number. Only the MSM still believes them...
Talking to myself now it’s that bad! Iwas wrong, it appears that an eye witness saw a over height load strike the bridge yeah latch on every thing is OK! It’s not this administration’s fault
I was thinking they were all driving VW Beetles, but that works too.
I am more awake now.
Yes, Truman left office in 1953 and the bridge was built in 1955 but obama has shown us anything bad the happens for at least the next five years is the last guys fault.
Also when assign fault on forums logic and facts can and should be avoided at all cost.
and realize many are paid to do that. this was documented here as well in the recentpast, libs are and were paying people to develop online profiles to go onto targeted sites and spout the liberal lines and attack certain conservative posters that were identified as problematic because of their persuasive posts.
surprisingly, no. given how old some are. but generally, no.
it’s why when they do it’s sensationalized. usually they are still heavily used. generally it occurs on bridges where the traffic flow has grown to be far greater than designers imagined would be on the bridge,’which leads to a lot more weight on it for hours a day - rush hours - and for real popular roads on interstates that have a lot more trafic on them with larger vehicles, the wear and weight occasionally does an old bridge in.
of course this bridge was flagged as having problems a long time ago, so it isn’t a huge shock it finally failed. real assessments show you which ones are in real danger of catastrophic failure. i am sure we have others in other places that were rated as poor as this one.
and’i will’amend these remarks by saying the bridge probably would not have failed like this,mat this exact moment, if the oversized truck hadn’t hit its beams and caused this section to collapse.
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Heard a guy on KVI radio this morning and he said the Army Corp of Engineers could have something in place by next Wednesday. Probably a little optimistic but you get the point. If there was a will, there would be a way.
John Carlson made the point and I agree 100% with him that this SHOULD shine the light on how much of our gas tax money goes into the mass transit rat hole instead of road building and maintenance. This “crisis” should not be wasted and our legislators need to hear from us about putting the transportation dollars where they belong, for the roads. My own opinion is to let the bus/light rail riders pay for their precious buses and trains. You ride, you pay.
If you like our bridges, you’ll love our ancient ferry system.
The state has been controlled by democrats for 30+ years and there’s money for artsy-fartsy things but not the necessities.
Thing about buses is that they make sense only for a very small number of routes.
Say running up and down highway 99, that kind of thing.
Most rural or even suburban routes end up with a 10-20% occupancy rate.
A fifteen thousand pound vehicle going from place to place to haul, on average, three people?
Makes no sense.
Toss in the fact that many of the counties have a system set up for transportation of people who have medical issues, there’s a gal near me who DAILY gets transports to/from wherever I don’t know, but I know it is a county funded program and there is no bus service where I live.
So the rabid bus advocates LOSE that group as being part of their justification.
What a coinky-dink...a bridge on the NYS Thruway (I-90) collapsed back in 1987; killing 10 people............................... The night before I was on the that bridge, had my class been on Thursday night I would have been there at approximately the same time. Did the farmer ever collect for the use of his property? Probably not, its a strong republican area and Mario Cuomo Sr. was Governor at the time. The cause was the washing away of the rip rap base. Looking at his bridge it reminds me of the ones over the Mohawk river that were demolished by Army Reserve Engineers.
As a co-worker in my plant pointed out, the only way she could possibly be spending as much on birth control as she claimed would be if she had to pay someone(s) to get laid.
Jeesh, you’d think the guys could afford an extra 50 cents or so to cover the costs, eh?
Well, that’s not calculating the ones who demand a refund...
My point being there are some things reasonable people expect a reasonable gummint to spend money on.
Other things, not so much. Better yet, not at all!!
"We're the Peasants."
"They are the Ruling Class."
"They Know What's Best for Us."
Otherwise, it will be off to the Gulag for you.
Can’t get to the gulag.
The bridge fell down!
(Hey, we can hope, right?)
“and realize many are paid to do that. this was documented here as well in the recentpast, libs are and were paying people to develop online profiles to go onto targeted sites and spout the liberal lines and attack certain conservative posters that were identified as problematic because of their persuasive posts.”
Sequoyah101 and chris37 are, in my humble opinion, two examples of such profiles. The two profiles were registered nine days apart in the lead up to the 2008 elections and the formats of their names (Name with numbers) is a commonality and they also post in similar topics and, quite often, within minutes of each other in the same topics. I suspect that they are the same person.
it was targeted to fail
I-5 is the main route to Canada, traffic is now being diverted through town in order to use the other bridge ...
Bender he still blame Ike LOL!
Been over that bridge a few times myself, though, my crossings were 30 years ago when I was stationed at Whidbey Island NAS.
I think that you have to look at the meanings of the terms they are using. “Structurally deficient” and “obsolete” don’t mean they are dangerous to use and at imminent threat of collapse. It basically means they are old and should be replaced by more modern bridges. I read somewhere that the bridge got a C- grade.
“The bridge was built in in 1955 and had a sufficiency rating of 47 out of 100 at its November 2012 inspection, Transportation Department spokesman Noel Brady said Friday. Washington state was given a C in the American Society of Civil Engineers’ 2013 infrastructure report card and a C- when it came to the state’s bridges. The group said more than a quarter of Washington’s 7,840 bridges are considered structurally deficient or functionally obsolete.”
We have a bridge where I live that we have been trying to get replaced for about 8 or 10 years. It has a sufficiency rating of 21 our of 100.
We have not been able to get approval from FHWA. They keep coming up with new requirements that did not exist when we started this. Each one delays it for 3 to 6 more months. Such as providing for the homeless who live under the bridge while we tear it down and rebuild it. Declaring a shallow ditch under the bridge that the railroad did not clean regularly enough, as a Federally Protected Wetland. There are a lot of other things equally stupid, but you get the idea.
Arranging for an other crisis they will not let go to waste no doubt. All those mythical set-aside highway funds collected in taxes on fuel?... Well, the private banking cabal euphemistically called the federal reserve appreciates our collective stupidity. The ‘IOUs’ accumulated as fedzilla took the taxes collected for social engineering have yet another credit re ceipt to be written to the fedzilla for loans of imaginary money to rebuild infrastructure ... kind of like those soical security IOUs in the lockbox! LOL
C- grade for an interstate freeway bridge. The I-5 Interstate Freeway is very heavily traveled, particularly by triple-trailer big rigs.
Since this bridge was, according to eye-witnesses, hit by an oversized truck-trailer, it now must be replaced.
Too bad the folks who make these decisions waited until a crisis occurred rather than anticipating the probability and just replacing the bridge to accommodate the bigger sized vehicles.
People from outside the area (and some from within) are making comments on this situation that show no appreciation of the actual circumstances).
The bridge accommodated "bigger sized" vehicles just fine for over 55 years. This is the main truck transportation route from Seattle to Vancouver.
The problem is that the oversized load was mostly in lane 1 instead of spanning the two lanes. The bridge structure is arched and at the center, between the two lanes, has the most clearance. There would have been no contact if the trailer had been placed correctly. The accident was the fault of both the pilot car and the truck driver.
This was not the fault of the bridge. Sure it would be nice to have brand new bridges everywhere -- feel free to donate.
Triples not permitted in Washington State. Doubles up to a max of 68 feet, I think, with 30-day permit on most of I-5.
I live in the state off Washington. I deal with substandard bridges all the time in this state.
Mostly when hit by Canadian truckers with oversized loads.
I was very curious, since this is not that far away (tectonically speaking) from where the landslide occurred on Whidbey Island. Do you think the Juan de Fuca is doing some moving around up there? Something seems whacky.
I've got family up there, too, so just a little concerned.
My brother is an engineer and he has had things happen on his job sites like uncovering an archaeological site, and once they dredged up WWII unexploded ordinance. Both of which shut them down for days.
Well, we can't have that. It needs to be redesigned and rebuild in an overly complex and expensive manner, perhaps with a design that celebrates diversity. It can then be built with Chinese steel or perhaps imported concrete, fortified with sawdust.
Have I got this about right?
I made my living for a while hauling oversized loads. A dispatcher would contact, in my case, ODOT. ODOT would ok the load, but the driver had to follow the specified routes. Heaven forbid if he went off route. OH yeah, different states had different rules to follow for the same load.
There was a major foulup here. I wonder if those involved could read English.
It's the first question on my mind when I read of an industrial accident.
Think of all the businesses hiring "under the table" to avoid taxes and red tape. Who is first in line and the lowest bidder for the job? Not an American. Not someone even with the desire to BECOME an American, but rather someone who is only here long enough to make enough money to return home to his own country and prosper there.
Such a person isn't interested in assimilation or literacy in the English language. The employer isn't going to bother training this "in the shadows" employee either. Can't read safety guidelines? No problemo!
Human lives and property are the price we pay for illegal immigration and lack of enforcement of our borders.
Lol! Have a great Memorial Day. I thank your family for their service.
Great to see you. I hope you have a blessed Memorial Day.
You mean Québécois from Alberta?
The truck hit the North end of the span as it first entered the bridge, and kept going. Maybe it was able to then center itself on the bridge, But the truck managed to make it’s way over the entire bridge leaving falling structure behind and come out on the South side.
Decent people ping fellow FReepers when talking about them in a public forum.
Hi neighbor, I didn’t understand your reply to my comment. Maybe you were replying to someone else?
I live in Burlington 1 mile from the bridge and I am amazed that they are routing traffic over the 536 bridge which is a much older draw bridge through downtown Mt. Vernon. Not going to be fun to go anywhere around here for quite some time.
They’re routing... out west via the Memorial Highway, probably via Avon Allen? That’s a MUCH longer trek.
No it isn’t! :(
Anyway, I drove around today a bit and it took me 1/2 hour to go 1 mile from my house on the East side of Burlington to the George Hopper Rd stop light. And that’s because I was turning right at that light. I bypassed half the backup by doing that.
Chris is my name, 37 is how old I was when I made this account.
If you want to know something about me, you can just ask me. I’m an honest person.
Sequoyah101 is not me. I post on no other account or under no other name aside from this one.
Don’t know why you have it out for me. You seem paranoid. Just because I say things you don’t agree with doesn’t mean anything other than you and I don’t see eye to eye.
A lot of people don’t agree with me, but I’m okay with that, it’s been that way my entire life, and I don’t expect it to change.
I see what I see, and I say what I say, and that’s all there is to it.
Thank you, thackney, I appreciate the heads up. I’m not sure what the deal is with MeganC.