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I-5 bridge collapses over Skagit River, sending vehicles, people into water
http://q13fox.com/2013/05/23/breaking-i-5-bridge-collapses-over-skagit-river-vehicles-people-in-water/ ^ | Q13

Posted on 05/24/2013 12:18:57 AM PDT by djf

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To: djf

Didn’t Obama just spend a Trillion dollars on “ROADS AND BRIDGES” “ROADS AND BRIDGES”, ROADS AND BRIDGES.....


101 posted on 05/24/2013 6:44:30 AM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Remember America "The FIsh Rots From the Head Down")
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To: GladesGuru
Could the paint over the primer have popped due to movement of the underlying steel

Yes, I think you're right.

102 posted on 05/24/2013 6:51:51 AM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: the scotsman

NO no the bridge collapse problem was addressed by our great federal government in the late 70s THE NATIONAL BRIDGE INSPECTION PROGRAM. Nothing to see here move o”a trucker on drugs and talking on his cell phone hit the bridge?


103 posted on 05/24/2013 6:52:10 AM PDT by Recompennation (your govment will deal with the unsafe infastruction just help us wuth this shequestion is sue)
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To: SunkenCiv
It’ll be blamed on Bush, Republicans, conservatives, opponents of overtaxing Americans, the sequestration...

LOL - none of us are ever going to buy into lame liberal excuses again... we have their number. Only the MSM still believes them...

104 posted on 05/24/2013 6:54:26 AM PDT by GOPJ (It's Gotten So Bad for Obama Fox News Changed Its Slogan to "See. I Told You So!"- Leno)
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To: Recompennation

Talking to myself now it’s that bad! Iwas wrong, it appears that an eye witness saw a over height load strike the bridge yeah latch on every thing is OK! It’s not this administration’s fault


105 posted on 05/24/2013 7:01:10 AM PDT by Recompennation (your govment will deal with the unsafe infastruction just help us wuth this shequestion is sue)
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To: BykrBayb

I was thinking they were all driving VW Beetles, but that works too.


106 posted on 05/24/2013 7:13:07 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: Bender2

I am more awake now.

Yes, Truman left office in 1953 and the bridge was built in 1955 but obama has shown us anything bad the happens for at least the next five years is the last guys fault.

Also when assign fault on forums logic and facts can and should be avoided at all cost.


107 posted on 05/24/2013 7:22:47 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (A bad hair day is not a mental issue, or is it?)
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To: ArmstedFragg

and realize many are paid to do that. this was documented here as well in the recentpast, libs are and were paying people to develop online profiles to go onto targeted sites and spout the liberal lines and attack certain conservative posters that were identified as problematic because of their persuasive posts.


108 posted on 05/24/2013 7:24:26 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: the scotsman

surprisingly, no. given how old some are. but generally, no.

it’s why when they do it’s sensationalized. usually they are still heavily used. generally it occurs on bridges where the traffic flow has grown to be far greater than designers imagined would be on the bridge,’which leads to a lot more weight on it for hours a day - rush hours - and for real popular roads on interstates that have a lot more trafic on them with larger vehicles, the wear and weight occasionally does an old bridge in.

of course this bridge was flagged as having problems a long time ago, so it isn’t a huge shock it finally failed. real assessments show you which ones are in real danger of catastrophic failure. i am sure we have others in other places that were rated as poor as this one.


109 posted on 05/24/2013 7:32:09 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

and’i will’amend these remarks by saying the bridge probably would not have failed like this,mat this exact moment, if the oversized truck hadn’t hit its beams and caused this section to collapse.


110 posted on 05/24/2013 7:38:21 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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111 posted on 05/24/2013 8:02:37 AM PDT by RedMDer (You are Free Republic. There are no outside influences. Just us, all of us. Please donate today!)
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To: djf

Heard a guy on KVI radio this morning and he said the Army Corp of Engineers could have something in place by next Wednesday. Probably a little optimistic but you get the point. If there was a will, there would be a way.

John Carlson made the point and I agree 100% with him that this SHOULD shine the light on how much of our gas tax money goes into the mass transit rat hole instead of road building and maintenance. This “crisis” should not be wasted and our legislators need to hear from us about putting the transportation dollars where they belong, for the roads. My own opinion is to let the bus/light rail riders pay for their precious buses and trains. You ride, you pay.


112 posted on 05/24/2013 8:22:14 AM PDT by copaliscrossing (Comparison is the beginning of discontent.)
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To: djf

If you like our bridges, you’ll love our ancient ferry system.

The state has been controlled by democrats for 30+ years and there’s money for artsy-fartsy things but not the necessities.


113 posted on 05/24/2013 8:43:20 AM PDT by proudpapa (A school is supposed to be a safe place!' Yeah well so is a womb!)
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To: copaliscrossing

Thing about buses is that they make sense only for a very small number of routes.
Say running up and down highway 99, that kind of thing.

Most rural or even suburban routes end up with a 10-20% occupancy rate.

A fifteen thousand pound vehicle going from place to place to haul, on average, three people?

Makes no sense.

Toss in the fact that many of the counties have a system set up for transportation of people who have medical issues, there’s a gal near me who DAILY gets transports to/from wherever I don’t know, but I know it is a county funded program and there is no bus service where I live.

So the rabid bus advocates LOSE that group as being part of their justification.


114 posted on 05/24/2013 8:50:53 AM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: djf
Thing about buses is that they make sense only for a very small number of routes. Say running up and down highway 99, that kind of thing.

Most rural or even suburban routes end up with a 10-20% occupancy rate.

A fifteen thousand pound vehicle going from place to place to haul, on average, three people?

Makes no sense.

I agree 100%. If we can get the dialog focused on this point, we might have a chance of scaling back the bloated bureaucracy of the mass transit system. I applaud the voters of Pierce County (myself included) for voting down the increase requested by Pierce Transit. Of course they were pleading poverty the days and weeks afterward but it is high time we push back.

We need to make sure we always throw in "a bone" and mention when bus/train service makes sense like the route you mentioned. BUT, let the riders and locale pay for that bus service. Sheesh, it's not a hard concept.
115 posted on 05/24/2013 9:12:11 AM PDT by copaliscrossing (Comparison is the beginning of discontent.)
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To: who knows what evil?

What a coinky-dink...a bridge on the NYS Thruway (I-90) collapsed back in 1987; killing 10 people............................... The night before I was on the that bridge, had my class been on Thursday night I would have been there at approximately the same time. Did the farmer ever collect for the use of his property? Probably not, its a strong republican area and Mario Cuomo Sr. was Governor at the time. The cause was the washing away of the rip rap base. Looking at his bridge it reminds me of the ones over the Mohawk river that were demolished by Army Reserve Engineers.


116 posted on 05/24/2013 9:30:02 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Remember Ty Woods, Glenn Doherty and Sean Smith? Forgot already?)
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To: djf
Hey, Sandra Fluke got her free rubbers . . .

As a co-worker in my plant pointed out, the only way she could possibly be spending as much on birth control as she claimed would be if she had to pay someone(s) to get laid.

117 posted on 05/24/2013 9:56:46 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Jeesh, you’d think the guys could afford an extra 50 cents or so to cover the costs, eh?

Well, that’s not calculating the ones who demand a refund...

My point being there are some things reasonable people expect a reasonable gummint to spend money on.

Other things, not so much. Better yet, not at all!!


118 posted on 05/24/2013 10:14:34 AM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: djf
Just repeat after me:

"We're the Peasants."

"They are the Ruling Class."

"They Know What's Best for Us."

Otherwise, it will be off to the Gulag for you.

119 posted on 05/24/2013 10:24:50 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Can’t get to the gulag.
The bridge fell down!

(Hey, we can hope, right?)


120 posted on 05/24/2013 10:31:02 AM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“and realize many are paid to do that. this was documented here as well in the recentpast, libs are and were paying people to develop online profiles to go onto targeted sites and spout the liberal lines and attack certain conservative posters that were identified as problematic because of their persuasive posts.”

Sequoyah101 and chris37 are, in my humble opinion, two examples of such profiles. The two profiles were registered nine days apart in the lead up to the 2008 elections and the formats of their names (Name with numbers) is a commonality and they also post in similar topics and, quite often, within minutes of each other in the same topics. I suspect that they are the same person.


121 posted on 05/24/2013 11:29:22 AM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: Lexinom

it was targeted to fail


122 posted on 05/24/2013 11:36:03 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: djf

I-5 is the main route to Canada, traffic is now being diverted through town in order to use the other bridge ...


123 posted on 05/24/2013 11:44:45 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Bender2

Bender he still blame Ike LOL!


124 posted on 05/24/2013 11:56:13 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Lexinom

Been over that bridge a few times myself, though, my crossings were 30 years ago when I was stationed at Whidbey Island NAS.


125 posted on 05/24/2013 12:17:56 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: SatinDoll

I think that you have to look at the meanings of the terms they are using. “Structurally deficient” and “obsolete” don’t mean they are dangerous to use and at imminent threat of collapse. It basically means they are old and should be replaced by more modern bridges. I read somewhere that the bridge got a C- grade.


126 posted on 05/24/2013 12:21:41 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: djf

“The bridge was built in in 1955 and had a sufficiency rating of 47 out of 100 at its November 2012 inspection, Transportation Department spokesman Noel Brady said Friday. Washington state was given a C in the American Society of Civil Engineers’ 2013 infrastructure report card and a C- when it came to the state’s bridges. The group said more than a quarter of Washington’s 7,840 bridges are considered structurally deficient or functionally obsolete.”

We have a bridge where I live that we have been trying to get replaced for about 8 or 10 years. It has a sufficiency rating of 21 our of 100.

We have not been able to get approval from FHWA. They keep coming up with new requirements that did not exist when we started this. Each one delays it for 3 to 6 more months. Such as providing for the homeless who live under the bridge while we tear it down and rebuild it. Declaring a shallow ditch under the bridge that the railroad did not clean regularly enough, as a Federally Protected Wetland. There are a lot of other things equally stupid, but you get the idea.


127 posted on 05/24/2013 12:45:29 PM PDT by jim_trent
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To: jim_trent

Arranging for an other crisis they will not let go to waste no doubt. All those mythical set-aside highway funds collected in taxes on fuel?... Well, the private banking cabal euphemistically called the federal reserve appreciates our collective stupidity. The ‘IOUs’ accumulated as fedzilla took the taxes collected for social engineering have yet another credit re ceipt to be written to the fedzilla for loans of imaginary money to rebuild infrastructure ... kind of like those soical security IOUs in the lockbox! LOL


128 posted on 05/24/2013 12:51:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

C- grade for an interstate freeway bridge. The I-5 Interstate Freeway is very heavily traveled, particularly by triple-trailer big rigs.

Since this bridge was, according to eye-witnesses, hit by an oversized truck-trailer, it now must be replaced.

Too bad the folks who make these decisions waited until a crisis occurred rather than anticipating the probability and just replacing the bridge to accommodate the bigger sized vehicles.


129 posted on 05/24/2013 12:54:34 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll
just replacing the bridge to accommodate the bigger sized vehicles.

People from outside the area (and some from within) are making comments on this situation that show no appreciation of the actual circumstances).

The bridge accommodated "bigger sized" vehicles just fine for over 55 years. This is the main truck transportation route from Seattle to Vancouver.

The problem is that the oversized load was mostly in lane 1 instead of spanning the two lanes. The bridge structure is arched and at the center, between the two lanes, has the most clearance. There would have been no contact if the trailer had been placed correctly. The accident was the fault of both the pilot car and the truck driver.

This was not the fault of the bridge. Sure it would be nice to have brand new bridges everywhere -- feel free to donate.

130 posted on 05/24/2013 1:05:42 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: SatinDoll
The I-5 Interstate Freeway is very heavily traveled, particularly by triple-trailer big rigs.

Triples not permitted in Washington State. Doubles up to a max of 68 feet, I think, with 30-day permit on most of I-5.

131 posted on 05/24/2013 1:10:54 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

I live in the state off Washington. I deal with substandard bridges all the time in this state.


132 posted on 05/24/2013 1:12:21 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: djf
Mothman did it...


133 posted on 05/24/2013 1:15:41 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: the scotsman

Mostly when hit by Canadian truckers with oversized loads.


134 posted on 05/24/2013 1:24:09 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: cripplecreek
This morning when my alarm clock went off at 6 am, the news guy was interviewing someone at the scene of the bridge who was saying they suspected land subsidence around the bridge. I got up, turned on the computer, and saw absolutely nothing anywhere about land subsidence. Did I dream this?

I was very curious, since this is not that far away (tectonically speaking) from where the landslide occurred on Whidbey Island. Do you think the Juan de Fuca is doing some moving around up there? Something seems whacky.

I've got family up there, too, so just a little concerned.

135 posted on 05/24/2013 2:45:16 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: jim_trent

My brother is an engineer and he has had things happen on his job sites like uncovering an archaeological site, and once they dredged up WWII unexploded ordinance. Both of which shut them down for days.


136 posted on 05/24/2013 2:56:21 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Does so
That steel bridge looks like an easy repair—it would be easy using WWII technology...

Well, we can't have that. It needs to be redesigned and rebuild in an overly complex and expensive manner, perhaps with a design that celebrates diversity. It can then be built with Chinese steel or perhaps imported concrete, fortified with sawdust.

137 posted on 05/24/2013 3:03:19 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: OrangeHoof
I used to have all of the original footage from that disaster including all parts that were edited out. Sadly, it was itself the cause of another near-disaster. The film was nitrocellulose, which becomes unstable with time. The film canister burst into flames, incinerating it and several other old films that were stored with it. It sounded like ammunition cooking off as it burned.
138 posted on 05/24/2013 3:12:58 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: djf
OMG - at lunch a friend of mine told me he got a call from his daughter - "Dad, I'm fine." After a strained silence he managed to ask, "Uh...and why wouldn't you be fine?" "Oh, I fell off a bridge," she said. "Well, not off it exactly." I was wondering why he looked a little frazzled...
139 posted on 05/24/2013 3:38:20 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: steve86
So, do we agree:
it didn't just fail, it was struck by an oversized load
its a federal road,
its appears to me it was probably on the obsolete list for it's size deficiencies
the feds had gazillions of dollars from the stimulus to fix such bridges
they probably didn't because too many Republicans live in the district and we "punish our enemies".

Have I got this about right?

140 posted on 05/24/2013 3:57:07 PM PDT by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I made my living for a while hauling oversized loads. A dispatcher would contact, in my case, ODOT. ODOT would ok the load, but the driver had to follow the specified routes. Heaven forbid if he went off route. OH yeah, different states had different rules to follow for the same load.
There was a major foulup here. I wonder if those involved could read English.


141 posted on 05/24/2013 5:02:55 PM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: Rannug; Jack Hydrazine
I wonder if those involved could read English.

It's the first question on my mind when I read of an industrial accident.

Think of all the businesses hiring "under the table" to avoid taxes and red tape. Who is first in line and the lowest bidder for the job? Not an American. Not someone even with the desire to BECOME an American, but rather someone who is only here long enough to make enough money to return home to his own country and prosper there.

Such a person isn't interested in assimilation or literacy in the English language. The employer isn't going to bother training this "in the shadows" employee either. Can't read safety guidelines? No problemo!

Human lives and property are the price we pay for illegal immigration and lack of enforcement of our borders.

142 posted on 05/24/2013 5:08:22 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: BykrBayb

Lol! Have a great Memorial Day. I thank your family for their service.


143 posted on 05/24/2013 5:50:16 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Welcome to Obamastan.)
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To: yellowdoghunter

Great to see you. I hope you have a blessed Memorial Day.


144 posted on 05/24/2013 5:55:51 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Rannug
I wonder if those involved could read English.

You mean Québécois from Alberta?

145 posted on 05/24/2013 6:45:36 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The truck hit the North end of the span as it first entered the bridge, and kept going. Maybe it was able to then center itself on the bridge, But the truck managed to make it’s way over the entire bridge leaving falling structure behind and come out on the South side.


146 posted on 05/24/2013 7:33:39 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: MeganC; Sequoyah101; chris37

Decent people ping fellow FReepers when talking about them in a public forum.


147 posted on 05/24/2013 7:33:53 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Lexinom

Hi neighbor, I didn’t understand your reply to my comment. Maybe you were replying to someone else?

My comment:
I live in Burlington 1 mile from the bridge and I am amazed that they are routing traffic over the 536 bridge which is a much older draw bridge through downtown Mt. Vernon. Not going to be fun to go anywhere around here for quite some time.
Your reply:

They’re routing... out west via the Memorial Highway, probably via Avon Allen? That’s a MUCH longer trek.
No it isn’t! :(

Anyway, I drove around today a bit and it took me 1/2 hour to go 1 mile from my house on the East side of Burlington to the George Hopper Rd stop light. And that’s because I was turning right at that light. I bypassed half the backup by doing that.


148 posted on 05/24/2013 7:43:36 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: MeganC

Chris is my name, 37 is how old I was when I made this account.

If you want to know something about me, you can just ask me. I’m an honest person.

Sequoyah101 is not me. I post on no other account or under no other name aside from this one.

Don’t know why you have it out for me. You seem paranoid. Just because I say things you don’t agree with doesn’t mean anything other than you and I don’t see eye to eye.

A lot of people don’t agree with me, but I’m okay with that, it’s been that way my entire life, and I don’t expect it to change.

I see what I see, and I say what I say, and that’s all there is to it.


149 posted on 05/24/2013 8:46:39 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: thackney; MeganC

Thank you, thackney, I appreciate the heads up. I’m not sure what the deal is with MeganC.


150 posted on 05/24/2013 8:47:35 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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