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I-5 bridge collapses over Skagit River, sending vehicles, people into water
http://q13fox.com/2013/05/23/breaking-i-5-bridge-collapses-over-skagit-river-vehicles-people-in-water/ ^ | Q13

Posted on 05/24/2013 12:18:57 AM PDT by djf

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To: Jack Hydrazine

I made my living for a while hauling oversized loads. A dispatcher would contact, in my case, ODOT. ODOT would ok the load, but the driver had to follow the specified routes. Heaven forbid if he went off route. OH yeah, different states had different rules to follow for the same load.
There was a major foulup here. I wonder if those involved could read English.


141 posted on 05/24/2013 5:02:55 PM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: Rannug; Jack Hydrazine
I wonder if those involved could read English.

It's the first question on my mind when I read of an industrial accident.

Think of all the businesses hiring "under the table" to avoid taxes and red tape. Who is first in line and the lowest bidder for the job? Not an American. Not someone even with the desire to BECOME an American, but rather someone who is only here long enough to make enough money to return home to his own country and prosper there.

Such a person isn't interested in assimilation or literacy in the English language. The employer isn't going to bother training this "in the shadows" employee either. Can't read safety guidelines? No problemo!

Human lives and property are the price we pay for illegal immigration and lack of enforcement of our borders.

142 posted on 05/24/2013 5:08:22 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: BykrBayb

Lol! Have a great Memorial Day. I thank your family for their service.


143 posted on 05/24/2013 5:50:16 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Welcome to Obamastan.)
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To: yellowdoghunter

Great to see you. I hope you have a blessed Memorial Day.


144 posted on 05/24/2013 5:55:51 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Rannug
I wonder if those involved could read English.

You mean Québécois from Alberta?

145 posted on 05/24/2013 6:45:36 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The truck hit the North end of the span as it first entered the bridge, and kept going. Maybe it was able to then center itself on the bridge, But the truck managed to make it’s way over the entire bridge leaving falling structure behind and come out on the South side.


146 posted on 05/24/2013 7:33:39 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: MeganC; Sequoyah101; chris37

Decent people ping fellow FReepers when talking about them in a public forum.


147 posted on 05/24/2013 7:33:53 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Lexinom

Hi neighbor, I didn’t understand your reply to my comment. Maybe you were replying to someone else?

My comment:
I live in Burlington 1 mile from the bridge and I am amazed that they are routing traffic over the 536 bridge which is a much older draw bridge through downtown Mt. Vernon. Not going to be fun to go anywhere around here for quite some time.
Your reply:

They’re routing... out west via the Memorial Highway, probably via Avon Allen? That’s a MUCH longer trek.
No it isn’t! :(

Anyway, I drove around today a bit and it took me 1/2 hour to go 1 mile from my house on the East side of Burlington to the George Hopper Rd stop light. And that’s because I was turning right at that light. I bypassed half the backup by doing that.


148 posted on 05/24/2013 7:43:36 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: MeganC

Chris is my name, 37 is how old I was when I made this account.

If you want to know something about me, you can just ask me. I’m an honest person.

Sequoyah101 is not me. I post on no other account or under no other name aside from this one.

Don’t know why you have it out for me. You seem paranoid. Just because I say things you don’t agree with doesn’t mean anything other than you and I don’t see eye to eye.

A lot of people don’t agree with me, but I’m okay with that, it’s been that way my entire life, and I don’t expect it to change.

I see what I see, and I say what I say, and that’s all there is to it.


149 posted on 05/24/2013 8:46:39 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: thackney; MeganC

Thank you, thackney, I appreciate the heads up. I’m not sure what the deal is with MeganC.


150 posted on 05/24/2013 8:47:35 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: tinamina

That would make for a great movie scene!


151 posted on 05/24/2013 9:19:22 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: steve86
The problem is that the oversized load was mostly in lane 1 instead of spanning the two lanes.

Correction: should have been in the left lane of southbound traffic (lane #2), not spanning the two lanes (it was apparently blocked from changing lanes, but this is the truck operator's fault for allowing this to happen). I was thinking that each direction of traffic had its own "arch".

152 posted on 05/24/2013 9:21:11 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: tinamina

Whatcom and a large portion of Skagit County are now without a main artery to the rest of the U.S. The truck was driven by a Canadian. Coincidence? I think not. This is it, they are coming to take all of our cheap milk and gasoline!


153 posted on 05/24/2013 9:23:32 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Typical_Whitey
That money didn't go into bridges........but it did go into other projects in the local area

This is a super nice "bike path" that was built in part with stimulus funds. It goes from an indian casino in Whatcom County to the association reservation. It was built because too many people from the reservation were getting run down walking on the unlit road at night. The road is still unlit, but this bike path is equipped with solar powered lights linked together with sensors so the lights only come on as you need them.

As you can see this is much more useful than a bridge that up until last night carried 70,000 vehicles a day.

154 posted on 05/24/2013 9:43:35 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: tinamina
I was merely expressing incredulity that they would route west to Hwy 20 -> Avon Allen -> Memorial vs. east to Burlington Blvd.

Yes, you are going to experience hell for the short-term.

I have experienced hell since my wife abandoned me in 2011, I took a job in Texas in desperation to support her and my three children, since my car died in August, 2012 (you cannot not have a car in Texas - look at the obesity rates in that state), and in desperation I moved to the only place in the nation where one doesn't NEED a car: NYC, with my cousin with whom I'm starting a company that will eventually bring down the established order.

What's not to understand, exactly? I'm not understanding...

155 posted on 05/24/2013 11:09:21 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: steve86

Si. Have read more about this story, and I don’t think “Scott” is a south of the border name. :-)


156 posted on 05/25/2013 6:00:21 AM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I saw nothing about being STRUCTURALLY deficient, only functionally. That is completely different. Functional does NOT mean it’s “bad”, just that it may not handle today’s conditions, such as this truck being too tall.

I’m sick of all the arm-flailing, as on FOX just now, that this bridge is bad because it’s FO, then shortening that term to “obsolete”, then complaining it’s “old” and thus must be bad. 50 years is not so bad. What do these idiots want, new bridges ground-up every decade? Yes, it would be nice if they updated the structure so it could accommodate bigger things, but ALL roadways at some point have height restrictions. This is not shocking. The problem is being able to track it and enforce.

Bottom line, we get a lot of squawking that is basically safety NAZIs all over again.


157 posted on 05/25/2013 6:53:17 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: johniegrad

From the pictures, it looked like the vehicles were sitting on some of the bridge debris, so that most of the car was underwater but the roofs were up and the survivors were sitting on the roofs of their cars.


158 posted on 05/25/2013 7:36:38 AM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: djf
Fortunately there is a bridge just to the east with on and off ramps close by. Still going to be a major headache for travelers, truckers, and residence in the area for a while.  photo i-5bridge_zps9e643204.jpg
159 posted on 05/25/2013 7:50:51 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: deks

Good catch, I wonder what the most recent engineering rating on that bridge was from WADOT.


160 posted on 05/25/2013 10:29:33 AM PDT by Tailback
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