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I-5 bridge collapses over Skagit River, sending vehicles, people into water
http://q13fox.com/2013/05/23/breaking-i-5-bridge-collapses-over-skagit-river-vehicles-people-in-water/ ^ | Q13

Posted on 05/24/2013 12:18:57 AM PDT by djf

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To: the scotsman

Not often, but the bike paths are well groomed with the tax dollars that are supposed to be for roads and bridges...


51 posted on 05/24/2013 3:16:04 AM PDT by Son House (The Heath Care Recovery Never Gets Here, Like The Economic Recovery, Easily Predictable.)
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To: djf

Sign found on local wall: Mothman Was Here.


52 posted on 05/24/2013 3:19:59 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: djf

53 posted on 05/24/2013 3:22:02 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: F15Eagle

Maintenance and jurisdiction over the interstate highway system has been turned over to the states.

That’s why New York can charge a toll on the NYS thruway, which is, IIRC, part of I-90


54 posted on 05/24/2013 3:23:24 AM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: djf

This is what happens when you skim 30% off highway funds before spending the rest on bike trails, rain gardens, and public transportation.


55 posted on 05/24/2013 3:24:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: djf

What a coinky-dink...a bridge on the NYS Thruway (I-90) collapsed back in 1987; killing 10 people.


56 posted on 05/24/2013 3:27:28 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Tony in Hawaii
Ike was actually inspired by Japanese Emperor Taishō---after World War I, while planning for a theoretical defense against a Japanese invasion, the future Allied Supreme Commander tried to lead an Army convoy from Washington, DC to the West Coast to see how long it would take to respond if Imperial troops ever landed in California.

Ike didn't get very far. The convoy got stuck in the mud in Emmitsburg, Maryland, and from that day forward, Ike began thinking about building better highways to connect east and west coasts for defense purposes.

So, it's the Japanese's fault.

57 posted on 05/24/2013 3:36:00 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: djf

Three trillion-with-a-t in stimulus and absolutely nothing to show for it but debt and rusting bridges.


58 posted on 05/24/2013 3:37:32 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: Timber Rattler

I think both experiences formed Ike’s outlook. The U.S. Army was very grateful for the autobahn (and the Ludendorff Brücke, which was expressly built for the defense of the Reich).


59 posted on 05/24/2013 3:41:12 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: SatinDoll

I thought the Stimulus Bill was supposed to have fixed these infrastructure “shovel ready” projects. Just where did all that money go again?


60 posted on 05/24/2013 3:45:27 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Bush’s fault? No way!!!!

Like Obamatollah, I blame the ATM machines that also destroyed the economy.


61 posted on 05/24/2013 3:47:21 AM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Three trillion-with-a-t in stimulus and absolutely nothing to show for it but debt and rusting bridges.

There's plenty to show for it. Just none of it highways.

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62 posted on 05/24/2013 3:52:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: F15Eagle
What stimulus? GOP blamed for Washington State bridge collapse
63 posted on 05/24/2013 3:56:17 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks djf.

It’ll be blamed on Bush, Republicans, conservatives, opponents of overtaxing Americans, the sequestration...


64 posted on 05/24/2013 3:57:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: johniegrad

Yea, it looks like the “about” in “about 18 feet of water” has a very wide range!


65 posted on 05/24/2013 3:59:10 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: SunkenCiv

Time for Obama to claim credit for the bridge across the Detroit river that Canada is paying for.


66 posted on 05/24/2013 4:03:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: johniegrad

67 posted on 05/24/2013 4:04:08 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: the scotsman
Do bridges collapse often in the US?

No, this is a rarity. Both the state (Washington) and the federal government are responsible for funding inspection and upkeep of the Interstate road system. Additionally, non-government organizations, primarily engineering profesionals, bolster the inspection process.

This is what the much ballyhood stimulus bill of 2009 was designed to repair. Unfortunately most of the funding was diverted by political favoritism to the likes of Green Energy, et al.

68 posted on 05/24/2013 4:16:09 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: XHogPilot

Ah, ok. I thought it happened more than it should.


69 posted on 05/24/2013 4:17:17 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: Son House

I thought it was happening a bit too often recently. My bag.


70 posted on 05/24/2013 4:17:53 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: tinamina
They're routing... out west via the Memorial Highway, probably via Avon Allen? That's a MUCH longer trek.

No it isn't! :(

71 posted on 05/24/2013 4:24:22 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: XHogPilot

There’s no reason for that bridge to have collapsed. I believe an overheight semi may have rammed the girders.


72 posted on 05/24/2013 4:28:54 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

It appears that a truck did hit the bridge but that shouldn’t cause a collapse.


73 posted on 05/24/2013 4:33:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Trucks from Canada driven by foreigners (not native Canadians) are always barreling down that freeway at high speed despite the 60 MPH limit. Boeing has large and odd-shaped payloads running up and down that freeway. Could have been a new Canadian supplier.

I'm just glad no one was hurt, esp. since my own small kids travel on that stretch of road.

74 posted on 05/24/2013 4:47:19 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: F15Eagle

It’s a very shallow river and it wasn’t a fall. More like driving down a very steep ramp into water that would act as a cushion. The speed limit in that area is 55-60 and the drivers probably saw it going down before they reach it.


75 posted on 05/24/2013 4:54:10 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Does so

Bet they could do a temp repair in 2-3 weeks.


76 posted on 05/24/2013 4:58:31 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SatinDoll
This bridge and an even longer span in Minnesota, were subjected to years of Democrat politician neglect and abuse.

They'll bleet and holler about needing more money for infrastructure, and when they get it unless it buys tons of cement and rebar, they'll spend it on something else.

They just don't care!

77 posted on 05/24/2013 5:01:25 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: deks
were already marked with orange paint before the collapse

You are seeing where the surface finish paint cracked off due to the stretching and deformation of the metal. You are seeing the primer layer underneath.

78 posted on 05/24/2013 5:05:17 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: muawiyah

That stretch of highway is actually pretty well maintained - worlds ahead of the narrow pothole- and crack-ridden slabs of concrete they call roads in New York (another Democrat-controlled paradise). When the truck hit the bridge at high speed it obviously displaced the entire section from the supporting column which precipitated the collapse. There was nothing wrong with this bridge.


79 posted on 05/24/2013 5:07:31 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: lowbridge
From the GAO-11-600 Report titled Recovery Act:Funding Used for Transportation Infrastructure Projects, but Some Requirements Proved Challenging

"Washington Department of Transportation does not have adequate controls to ensure that information the Recovery Act required to be reported for its highway program is accurate." (page 19)

Translation: The State of Washington's accounting system sucks and they couldn't (or didn't want to) keep track of where the money went.

80 posted on 05/24/2013 5:20:53 AM PDT by Victoria_R (Believers in VERY small government: Count Mountjoy/Benter in 2012!!!)
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To: Lexinom
There's always something wrong with an interstate highway bridge that can so easily get destroyed by a mere truck. Nothing less than a seagoing barge or an aircraft carrier should be able to do that.

Regarding New York bridges ~ they're all owned and operated by the New York Port Authority ~ an independent interstate compact operation. For all practical purposes they are a pay as you go sort of thing, fairly close to what you'd get with a private bridge company!

81 posted on 05/24/2013 5:21:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: tinamina

We live on Camano. My wife and her mother drove over it around 2 pm. People drive over that bridge too fast and there are no shoulders to use to get out of harms’ way.


82 posted on 05/24/2013 5:24:56 AM PDT by freebird5850 (The only good thing about Barry getting re-elected is now we get to see him fall from a higher place)
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To: thackney

Yes, good observation.


83 posted on 05/24/2013 5:34:33 AM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: Lexinom

Over-sized loads must be permitted, and routed. If the truck was over-height, it should have been escorted. The truck in question made it past the north end of the bridge. I find it hard to believe that a single truck could take down that span.


84 posted on 05/24/2013 5:36:43 AM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: Son House

50% of the transportation dollars go to 3% of the traveling public that take alternate forms of transportation such as walking, biking, busing, and the train.


85 posted on 05/24/2013 5:43:37 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: djf

Washington sure seems to have its problems with bridges.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xox9BVSu7Ok


86 posted on 05/24/2013 5:51:32 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Rannug

From this GoogTube-posted video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3n8z5Dn2Xs

While the cause of the collapse is still unknown, witnesses reported seeing a semitruck with an oversized load crossing the bridge and striking the beams on the north end before the bridge collapsed.
“I saw it. I was less than 50 feet away from the truck when it hit it,” witness Dale Ogden told KING 5. “I had just passed it in the fast lane southbound and it had an oversized load. It was approximately 12 feet wide and over 14 feet tall. It was in the slow lane when I came by...I was behind the flag car and in front of the truck in the other lane and I saw the whip - normally tells you how high they can clear - start hitting the bridge. I looked in my rearview mirror knowing this was not going to turn out well.”
“I saw the truck strike the right corner of the bridge. It almost tipped the truck over but it came back down. It tipped it up to about a 30 degree angle to the left and it came back down on its wheels and almost instantaneously behind that I saw girders falling in my rearview mirror.”
Washington Department of Transportation officials were investigating reports that the truck had struck the bridge.
Xavier Grospe, 62, who lives near the river, said he could see three cars with what appeared to be one person per vehicle. The vehicles were sitting still in the water, partially submerged and partly above the waterline, and the apparent drivers were sitting either on top of the vehicles or on the edge of open windows.


87 posted on 05/24/2013 5:54:20 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: djf

So,

A) does this collapse give fodder for another big stimulus spending bill,

or

B) does this collapse raise the question: What happened to all the supposed infrastructure spending from the previous big stimulus spending bills?

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Most of Washington and their compliant Media select A, while ignoring most of America’s yelling B.


88 posted on 05/24/2013 5:57:33 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I thought Obama was going to fix the bridges?

Pray for America to Wake Up


89 posted on 05/24/2013 6:00:32 AM PDT by bray (Surviving to spite Obama)
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To: muawiyah

I was referring specifically to the road. The bridges in New York are marvels of engineering - and free as long as you’re walking or biking. The one that concerns me is the Manhattan Bridge and repeated torsion stress imposed by subways. Two trains on opposite sides of the bridge must cross at the same time to counterbalance the torsion, but the maximum stress when they first enter exacts a metal fatigue toll over time.


90 posted on 05/24/2013 6:08:38 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

BTW, Happy 130th birthday today, Brooklyn Bridge!


91 posted on 05/24/2013 6:11:09 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

Blame Canada eh? :P

all joking aside, I’m glad nobody was hurt. Too many stories these days, where the innocent are suffering at the hands of the feds.


92 posted on 05/24/2013 6:24:09 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Lexinom

“Functionally obsolete” means that the design of a bridge is not suitable for its current use, such as lack of safety shoulders or the inability to handle current traffic volume, speed, size, or weight.


93 posted on 05/24/2013 6:24:42 AM PDT by TKeith
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Thanks for the info. I wonder who routed the truck.


94 posted on 05/24/2013 6:26:06 AM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: djf

Or was it Meshell??
SORRY TWO! IT’S THE CONOMY talkini


95 posted on 05/24/2013 6:26:26 AM PDT by Recompennation (your govment will deal with the unsafe infastruction just help us wuth this shequestion is sue)
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To: djf

I blame this on electric car owners not paying their fare share of road taxes. We should outlaw electric cars!


96 posted on 05/24/2013 6:30:09 AM PDT by PTBAA
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To: Rannug

Good question.

I would think that there would be a database of the bridges and their clearance heights posted so those companies moving big machinery could consult it.


97 posted on 05/24/2013 6:30:30 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

There is:

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/commercialVehicle/Restrictions/


98 posted on 05/24/2013 6:34:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: deks

Could the paint over the primer have popped due to movement of the underlying steel? From the image, and without knowing if that orange was primer or added later, I can’t understand what the color patterns show us.

PS Thanks for an excellent about page with - the how to data about FR page format was very appreciated.


99 posted on 05/24/2013 6:38:16 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: thackney

Then there really isn’t ANY excuse for trucks to be running into bridges at least in the vertical direction!


100 posted on 05/24/2013 6:43:54 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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