Skip to comments.Moments leading to fatal FBI shooting in Orlando still unclear (Todashev)
Posted on 05/24/2013 4:07:31 AM PDT by Haiku Guy
An FBI incident review team from Washington, D.C., is in Orlando today, a day after a Russian man who knew Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot dead by an agent.
Federal and Central Florida law enforcement agencies are still collecting and processing evidence from the shooting scene at a condominium complex on Peregrine Avenue, near Kirkman Road and Universal Orlando, where Ibragim Todashev was shot early Wednesday.
Initially, FBI officials said Todashev, 27, became violent and lunged at an agent with a knife while he was being questioned about Tsarnaev and an unsolved 2011 triple murder in the Boston suburb of Waltham. The agent, acting on an "imminent threat," then shot Todashev, they said.
However, later in the day, some of those officials had backed off that preliminary account, and it's no longer clear what happened in the moments before the fatal shooting, The Associated Press reported.
(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxorlando.com ...
Frankly, that one never made sense. If you have a subject secured well enough that he is about to sign a confession, what is he doing with a knife?
I wonder what really happened?
Was he being forced to sign a confession under duress, and it got out of hand? Frankly, I trust the government less than ever, these days...
Of course, this happened before the President said yesterday that he was going to start following the law, more or less, when he gets ‘round to it. So this one doesn’t countsies...
This should add fuel to preexisting Chechen paranoia.
Bet he was surprised when the muslim pr*** in the boat lived after the boat was sprayed with over 200 bullets.
Wow....Another made up story....what a surprise.
We will never learn the truth.
They are even getting sloppy with the cover ups.
I guess being careful isn’t important when the media doesn’t seem to care much.
Ding ding ding. ... We have a winner! You’re right. He must have had something to say that was going to contradict the line of bs hussein and his cohorts are putting together. Can’t have this guy around to end up in front of congress. ...
Witness/suspect in Orlando shot dead? IMHO, protocol would have had the officers frisking the alleged perp before the interview. What happened there?
FBI and MASSACHUSSETTS state police and NO Orlando, Orange County or FDLE personnel present? Just sayin'.....
Chechen friend of Tsarnaev.
Linked to triple throat slitting.
Yeah, there is conspiracy here LOL.
Did this guy know the saudi guy that michelle visited in the hospital?
I think they were probably careless because he appeared to be cooperating and he grabbed somebody’s gun or at least attempted to do so and was shot by one of them. The article mentions two shots.
He was an MMA specialist with a quick temper and it sounds to me as if they might have underestimated him. Also, they were interviewing him at home, on his own turf, which is never a good idea.
Part of the reason for the secrecy is no doubt to avoid tipping off the local Chechens so that they can hide their jihadis, but I wonder if another part isn’t perhaps a local FBI decision to avoid tipping off headquarters (meaning Holder). He has no intention of letting the Boston bombings be thoroughly investigated and has done everything possible to protect the surviving terrorist.
However, later in the day, after several phone calls from the Obama thought police at the WHite House in Washington , D.C.some of those officials in fear of their jobs and their family safety,had backed off that preliminary account, and because of political correctness censorship, it’s no longer clear what happened in the moments before the fatal shooting of the undercover jihadist, The Associated Press reported.
Just another sign that we are all in danger when we become inconvenient - if they will murder potential witness this way, what would stop them from going after citizens who pose a "threat"?
Concocted story equals fabrication and collusion between govt and controlled news media, and what makes sense eventually becomes a conspiracy theory.
Were the 3 murdered under the control of the FBI?
Why else (shades of Whitey Bulger’s alleged
‘license to kill’) would they do this?
They have earned their conspiracy theories, since the last half dozen have come true!
I don't know. But how do you have a preliminary story that the man lunged at an agent with a knife but later on, the story is changed?
Did he lunge with a knife or not?
If he did, why are they changing their story now?
If he didn't, why did they say he did?
Something doesn't add up...
How long can you hide from the truth. I wonder if the man in charge can wag the tail long enough to get out before you start hearing “Obama’s Fault”
Orange County has a Black Liberal Sheriff....so that should tell you all you need to know
Also city of Orlando is mostly Democrat...with Dem mayor and mostly Dem city council
I posted in the earliest threads:
My first though was the old movie title: The Man Who Knew Too Much.
The latest confusion re-enforces my first thought.
Some threads yesterday inserted confusion as to who was at fault because agents from several FED agencies and Boston Police were present, and they didn’t know who actually did the shooting.
Mr. Todashev was unable to comment on the incident.
Then that would have been the cover story from the beginning.
It was a strange eyebrow raising story that made one wonder when it first came out and now with the story change it leaves one really questioning, especially with all the scandals going on. They have lost the believability factor.
Why would the FBI give this guy a knife to sign a statement?
Good catch. I was on the Live Thread most of that day, as well. The utter chaos of the media coverage was both entertaining, and instructive...
Holder needs to go so we can get to Obama, crime Inc.
What, have you forgotten the years that Whitey Bulger was an “informant” who managed to manipulate the FBI crooks in Boston engage in murder and racketeering for many years. One of the crooked FBI agents went to prison. Yet you are so naive that you believe the gov/media reports about anything much less the FBI and its likely patsythese Chechen tools.
Why did the FBI start with a lie about a knife?
“They are even getting sloppy with the cover ups”
So true. This would never have happened on Billy Jeff’s watch. He knew what the meaning of “is” is.
I’m suprised they didn’t just say “he needed killin” :-)
Plus, the dude was a mixed martial arts aficionado, preparing to sign his confession to murder of 3 Jews.
So how does the FBI let him get ahold of a knife in that situation?
Or, at least that was their first story.
Then, since that story has B.S. written all over it, they retract that story, and they’re busily making up a new one.
I wonder what line of B.S. they’ll lay on us next, since the first story was so patently stupid.
Do you still believe your betters at the FBI?
Or would it bear investigating the investigators until something that seems plausibly truthful emerges?
Do you have a link for that? I'm following this FBI B.S. closely. Thanks.
So why did they start with the “knife” lie?
I think you have to allow for the possibility of confusion before going straight for conspiracy.
I tend to think their approach -two Boston cops and one FBI agent, meeting by themselves with this guy in his apartment at night, supposedly - was risky and they probably got taken off guard by his attack because things seemed to be going ok.
I think the Boston police have actually been pursuing the murder case and possibly they had an FBI agent with them to see if the guy had also participated in the bombing. The FBI is famous for doing investigations in a different jurisdiction without informing the locals, so I wouldn’t read too much into that. And if they wanted to cover up his participation in the bombing, they wouldn’t have shot him before he signed the statement.
Another possibility is that he got hold of somebody’s gun, or possibly his own, and attempted to shoot himself rather than sign the statement.
All sorts of things are possible, I guess.
He probably didn’t like the pen they offered him, asked if he could get his own out of the junk drawer, pulled a steak knife instead and whammo .....//got nothing
Or contarily, they could have overestimated him knowing his background in MMA and got a little jumpy when he got up and raised his voice
Because they were too afraid to admit they got their *sses kicked by an unarmed man.
Now that’s the first explanation I’ve seen that makes any sense at all.
Boston Bombing Ping!
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Ya can’t get a straight answer from anyone in government now, or their friends in the media...About anything...
But you can rest assured, this was likely another foreigner who like his good friends the Boston Bomb terrorists, were receiving government provided tax paid gifts, prizes, food stamps, welfare, heath care, beer, ice cream cut rate schooling..
The tax payers get government gang banged 24/7
Ibragim Todashev was shot early Wednesday... while he was being questioned about Tsarnaev and an unsolved 2011 triple murder in the Boston suburb of Waltham.
Of course it’s all a grand conspiracy, complete with Chechen participants who just blow people up on video.
No muslim terrorists here....it’s that black helo in the window.
Sequestration reaching to the cia and black ops. I have a feeling this suspect had some cia money too and they needed to make sure he didn't talk.
CIA. He was probably on their payroll and knew what the two brothers knew. He was an expendable without due process. A shot in the head seems to be the latest directive.
Ya think the local pd would have had a heads up? The copter guys bothers me too. It didn’t hit the news how they died for a couple of days. It took them a couple of days to say that “they fell”. Why so long? Are they really dead or new identities? When can we impeach Obama and Biden? I’m afraid if we don’t impeach them, he will go for a third term.