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Moments leading to fatal FBI shooting in Orlando still unclear (Todashev)
MyFoxOrlando ^ | 5/24/13 | Staff

Posted on 05/24/2013 4:07:31 AM PDT by Haiku Guy

An FBI incident review team from Washington, D.C., is in Orlando today, a day after a Russian man who knew Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot dead by an agent.

Federal and Central Florida law enforcement agencies are still collecting and processing evidence from the shooting scene at a condominium complex on Peregrine Avenue, near Kirkman Road and Universal Orlando, where Ibragim Todashev was shot early Wednesday.

Initially, FBI officials said Todashev, 27, became violent and lunged at an agent with a knife while he was being questioned about Tsarnaev and an unsolved 2011 triple murder in the Boston suburb of Waltham. The agent, acting on an "imminent threat," then shot Todashev, they said.

However, later in the day, some of those officials had backed off that preliminary account, and it's no longer clear what happened in the moments before the fatal shooting, The Associated Press reported.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: boston; coverup; marathon; orlando; rubout; todashev; tsarnaev
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So, the official story about Todashev lunging with a knife is no longer operative.

Frankly, that one never made sense. If you have a subject secured well enough that he is about to sign a confession, what is he doing with a knife?

I wonder what really happened?

Was he being forced to sign a confession under duress, and it got out of hand? Frankly, I trust the government less than ever, these days...

1 posted on 05/24/2013 4:07:31 AM PDT by Haiku Guy
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To: Haiku Guy

Of course, this happened before the President said yesterday that he was going to start following the law, more or less, when he gets ‘round to it. So this one doesn’t countsies...


2 posted on 05/24/2013 4:09:45 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: Haiku Guy

This should add fuel to preexisting Chechen paranoia.


3 posted on 05/24/2013 4:21:45 AM PDT by NautiNurse (BOHICA)
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To: Haiku Guy
Obama mo.....I don't want any witnesses.

Bet he was surprised when the muslim pr*** in the boat lived after the boat was sprayed with over 200 bullets.

4 posted on 05/24/2013 4:23:44 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Haiku Guy

Wow....Another made up story....what a surprise.


5 posted on 05/24/2013 4:24:53 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Haiku Guy
FBI just cleaning up a few loose ends.

We will never learn the truth.

6 posted on 05/24/2013 4:25:24 AM PDT by knarf (uals-two logic)
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To: knarf

They are even getting sloppy with the cover ups.
I guess being careful isn’t important when the media doesn’t seem to care much.


7 posted on 05/24/2013 4:31:21 AM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: knarf

Ding ding ding. ... We have a winner! You’re right. He must have had something to say that was going to contradict the line of bs hussein and his cohorts are putting together. Can’t have this guy around to end up in front of congress. ...


8 posted on 05/24/2013 4:34:52 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Haiku Guy
Two FBI agents involved with the Boston investigation, seemingly fell out of a helicopter last week, and died.

Witness/suspect in Orlando shot dead? IMHO, protocol would have had the officers frisking the alleged perp before the interview. What happened there?

FBI and MASSACHUSSETTS state police and NO Orlando, Orange County or FDLE personnel present? Just sayin'.....

9 posted on 05/24/2013 4:45:55 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: All

Let’s see.

Chechen friend of Tsarnaev.

Muslim.

Knife.

Linked to triple throat slitting.

Yeah, there is conspiracy here LOL.


10 posted on 05/24/2013 4:57:48 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: Haiku Guy

Did this guy know the saudi guy that michelle visited in the hospital?


11 posted on 05/24/2013 5:02:52 AM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: Haiku Guy

I think they were probably careless because he appeared to be cooperating and he grabbed somebody’s gun or at least attempted to do so and was shot by one of them. The article mentions two shots.

He was an MMA specialist with a quick temper and it sounds to me as if they might have underestimated him. Also, they were interviewing him at home, on his own turf, which is never a good idea.

Part of the reason for the secrecy is no doubt to avoid tipping off the local Chechens so that they can hide their jihadis, but I wonder if another part isn’t perhaps a local FBI decision to avoid tipping off headquarters (meaning Holder). He has no intention of letting the Boston bombings be thoroughly investigated and has done everything possible to protect the surviving terrorist.


12 posted on 05/24/2013 5:06:07 AM PDT by livius
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To: Haiku Guy

Translation:

However, later in the day, after several phone calls from the Obama thought police at the WHite House in Washington , D.C.some of those officials in fear of their jobs and their family safety,had backed off that preliminary account, and because of political correctness censorship, it’s no longer clear what happened in the moments before the fatal shooting of the undercover jihadist, The Associated Press reported.


13 posted on 05/24/2013 5:06:21 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Clump
They are even getting sloppy with the cover ups. I guess being careful isn’t important when the media doesn’t seem to care much.

Just another sign that we are all in danger when we become inconvenient - if they will murder potential witness this way, what would stop them from going after citizens who pose a "threat"?

14 posted on 05/24/2013 5:11:30 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Haiku Guy

Concocted story equals fabrication and collusion between govt and controlled news media, and what makes sense eventually becomes a conspiracy theory.


15 posted on 05/24/2013 5:17:33 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Banksters are coming for your retirement, pensions & property. But first they want your firearms)
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To: Haiku Guy

Were the 3 murdered under the control of the FBI?

Why else (shades of Whitey Bulger’s alleged
‘license to kill’) would they do this?


16 posted on 05/24/2013 5:19:42 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: apoliticalone

They have earned their conspiracy theories, since the last half dozen have come true!


17 posted on 05/24/2013 5:21:00 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: Diogenesis
Why else (shades of Whitey Bulger’s alleged ‘license to kill’) would they do this?

I don't know. But how do you have a preliminary story that the man lunged at an agent with a knife but later on, the story is changed?

Did he lunge with a knife or not?

If he did, why are they changing their story now?

If he didn't, why did they say he did?

Something doesn't add up...

18 posted on 05/24/2013 5:24:24 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: Diogenesis

How long can you hide from the truth. I wonder if the man in charge can wag the tail long enough to get out before you start hearing “Obama’s Fault”


19 posted on 05/24/2013 5:25:19 AM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: Bushbacker1

Orange County has a Black Liberal Sheriff....so that should tell you all you need to know

Also city of Orlando is mostly Democrat...with Dem mayor and mostly Dem city council


20 posted on 05/24/2013 5:32:46 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Haiku Guy

I posted in the earliest threads:

My first though was the old movie title: The Man Who Knew Too Much.

The latest confusion re-enforces my first thought.

Some threads yesterday inserted confusion as to who was at fault because agents from several FED agencies and Boston Police were present, and they didn’t know who actually did the shooting.

Mr. Todashev was unable to comment on the incident.


21 posted on 05/24/2013 6:10:21 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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22 posted on 05/24/2013 6:11:18 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: livius
I think they were probably careless because he appeared to be cooperating and he grabbed somebody’s gun or at least attempted to do so and was shot by one of them.

Then that would have been the cover story from the beginning.

It was a strange eyebrow raising story that made one wonder when it first came out and now with the story change it leaves one really questioning, especially with all the scandals going on. They have lost the believability factor.

23 posted on 05/24/2013 6:12:50 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Candor7

I was following the Boston Marathon bombing on local Boston TV and scanners via the internet.

I noted in the Live Thread that all of the sudden, about an hour into local news reports, the reporters started mentioning that their latest reports were based on 'information from Washington'.

Later in the day, at one presser, one 'official' commented that they would 'search through out the world, to the ends of the earth' to catch those behind the attack. I thought that a strange comment, considering all the other 'officials' were patting each other on the backs for all their great work.


24 posted on 05/24/2013 6:18:04 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Haiku Guy

Why would the FBI give this guy a knife to sign a statement?


25 posted on 05/24/2013 6:55:50 AM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: TomGuy
I noted in the Live Thread that all of the sudden, about an hour into local news reports, the reporters started mentioning that their latest reports were based on 'information from Washington'.

Good catch. I was on the Live Thread most of that day, as well. The utter chaos of the media coverage was both entertaining, and instructive...

26 posted on 05/24/2013 7:01:09 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: RedMDer
Excellent. Holder is probably the most dangerous traitor in DC. He enables Obozo and his Chicago mob to operate and spread their evil with no concerns about law or our constitution.


27 posted on 05/24/2013 7:37:15 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: Grampa Dave

Holder needs to go so we can get to Obama, crime Inc.


28 posted on 05/24/2013 7:43:31 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: rbmillerjr

What, have you forgotten the years that Whitey Bulger was an “informant” who managed to manipulate the FBI crooks in Boston engage in murder and racketeering for many years. One of the crooked FBI agents went to prison. Yet you are so naive that you believe the gov/media reports about anything much less the FBI and its likely patsythese Chechen tools.


29 posted on 05/24/2013 7:50:43 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Haiku Guy

Why did the FBI start with a lie about a knife?


30 posted on 05/24/2013 8:23:33 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: Clump

“They are even getting sloppy with the cover ups”

So true. This would never have happened on Billy Jeff’s watch. He knew what the meaning of “is” is.

I’m suprised they didn’t just say “he needed killin” :-)


31 posted on 05/24/2013 8:33:46 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rbmillerjr

Plus, the dude was a mixed martial arts aficionado, preparing to sign his confession to murder of 3 Jews.

So how does the FBI let him get ahold of a knife in that situation?

Or, at least that was their first story.

Then, since that story has B.S. written all over it, they retract that story, and they’re busily making up a new one.

I wonder what line of B.S. they’ll lay on us next, since the first story was so patently stupid.

Do you still believe your betters at the FBI?

Or would it bear investigating the investigators until something that seems plausibly truthful emerges?


32 posted on 05/24/2013 9:17:01 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: Bushbacker1
"Two FBI agents involved with the Boston investigation, seemingly fell out of a helicopter last week, and died."

Do you have a link for that? I'm following this FBI B.S. closely. Thanks.

33 posted on 05/24/2013 9:17:58 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: livius

So why did they start with the “knife” lie?


34 posted on 05/24/2013 9:18:47 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I think you have to allow for the possibility of confusion before going straight for conspiracy.

I tend to think their approach -two Boston cops and one FBI agent, meeting by themselves with this guy in his apartment at night, supposedly - was risky and they probably got taken off guard by his attack because things seemed to be going ok.

I think the Boston police have actually been pursuing the murder case and possibly they had an FBI agent with them to see if the guy had also participated in the bombing. The FBI is famous for doing investigations in a different jurisdiction without informing the locals, so I wouldn’t read too much into that. And if they wanted to cover up his participation in the bombing, they wouldn’t have shot him before he signed the statement.

Another possibility is that he got hold of somebody’s gun, or possibly his own, and attempted to shoot himself rather than sign the statement.

All sorts of things are possible, I guess.


35 posted on 05/24/2013 9:49:00 AM PDT by livius
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To: Haiku Guy

He probably didn’t like the pen they offered him, asked if he could get his own out of the junk drawer, pulled a steak knife instead and whammo .....//got nothing


36 posted on 05/24/2013 11:58:13 AM PDT by GusFring
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To: livius

Or contarily, they could have overestimated him knowing his background in MMA and got a little jumpy when he got up and raised his voice


37 posted on 05/24/2013 12:00:54 PM PDT by GusFring
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To: Uncle Miltie
So why did they start with the “knife” lie?

Because they were too afraid to admit they got their *sses kicked by an unarmed man.

38 posted on 05/24/2013 1:35:27 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

Now that’s the first explanation I’ve seen that makes any sense at all.


39 posted on 05/24/2013 1:39:10 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: OwenKellogg; bunster; thouworm; maggief; onyx; AllAmericanGirl44; ConservativeMan55; crosslink; ...

Boston Bombing Ping!

FYI...I will be unable to keep up with the ping list for the next week as my son is getting married. If anyone wants to keep up with it while I am gone, let me know and I will FReepmail you the list. thanks!


40 posted on 05/24/2013 2:08:59 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Haiku Guy

Ya can’t get a straight answer from anyone in government now, or their friends in the media...About anything...

But you can rest assured, this was likely another foreigner who like his good friends the Boston Bomb terrorists, were receiving government provided tax paid gifts, prizes, food stamps, welfare, heath care, beer, ice cream cut rate schooling..

The tax payers get government gang banged 24/7


41 posted on 05/24/2013 2:19:06 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Uncle Miltie

http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/va_beach/fbi-agents-killed-in-training-accident


42 posted on 05/24/2013 2:23:09 PM PDT by Albert Barr
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To: Uncle Miltie

http://www.wfaa.com/news/national/Two-FBI-agents-killed-in-training-accident-in-Virginia-208087161.html


43 posted on 05/24/2013 3:33:36 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Uncle Miltie

And, this:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/05/19/fbi-agents-killed-in-training-accident/2324687/


44 posted on 05/24/2013 3:34:26 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Haiku Guy.
Ibragim Todashev was shot early Wednesday... while he was being questioned about Tsarnaev and an unsolved 2011 triple murder in the Boston suburb of Waltham.

45 posted on 05/24/2013 5:18:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: iopscusa

Of course it’s all a grand conspiracy, complete with Chechen participants who just blow people up on video.

No muslim terrorists here....it’s that black helo in the window.


46 posted on 05/24/2013 10:08:55 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: Haiku Guy
so SOMEBODY in the fbi LIED!!!
47 posted on 05/25/2013 10:59:24 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Haiku Guy
It's a lot cheaper to shoot suspects in their own living rooms than to have a trial with a courtroom and jurors, etc.

Sequestration reaching to the cia and black ops. I have a feeling this suspect had some cia money too and they needed to make sure he didn't talk.

48 posted on 05/25/2013 2:27:09 PM PDT by floriduh voter (I left cable and don't miss its nothingness. ROKU is awesome.)
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To: knarf

CIA. He was probably on their payroll and knew what the two brothers knew. He was an expendable without due process. A shot in the head seems to be the latest directive.


49 posted on 05/25/2013 2:29:08 PM PDT by floriduh voter (I left cable and don't miss its nothingness. ROKU is awesome.)
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To: Bushbacker1

Ya think the local pd would have had a heads up? The copter guys bothers me too. It didn’t hit the news how they died for a couple of days. It took them a couple of days to say that “they fell”. Why so long? Are they really dead or new identities? When can we impeach Obama and Biden? I’m afraid if we don’t impeach them, he will go for a third term.


50 posted on 05/25/2013 2:32:10 PM PDT by floriduh voter (I left cable and don't miss its nothingness. ROKU is awesome.)
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