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How JFK secretly ADMIRED Hitler:...
Daily Mail online ^ | 23 May 2013 | By Allan Hall

Posted on 05/24/2013 5:43:41 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

Explosive book reveals former President’s praise for the Nazis as he travelled through Germany before Second World War

A new book out in Germany reveals how President Kennedy was a secret admirer of the Nazis.

The news comes embarrassingly close to a visit being paid to Berlin next month by President Obama - one week before 50th anniversary commemorations of JFK's memorable 'Ich bin ein Berliner' speech pledging US solidarity with Europe during the Cold War. President Kennedy's travelogues and letters chronicling his wanderings through Germany before WWII, when Adolf Hitler was in power, have been unearthed and show him generally in favour of the movement that was to plunge the world into the greatest war in history

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1 posted on 05/24/2013 5:43:41 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

FDR also admired the brand of socialism of Adolf Hitler.


2 posted on 05/24/2013 5:45:33 AM PDT by stockpirate (F. Douglass, "A man's rights rest in three boxes: ballot box, jury box, and ammo box)
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To: US Navy Vet

‘Ich bin ein Berliner’ - Which translates to: “I am a jelly roll”.


3 posted on 05/24/2013 5:46:04 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Well his “ask not what your country can do for you” speech suddenly has new meaning. Hitler’s speeches were all about Altruism and sacrificing for the good of the state.


4 posted on 05/24/2013 5:47:24 AM PDT by albionin
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To: US Navy Vet

So did Daddy Joe. That’s why Roosevelt called him home from London.


5 posted on 05/24/2013 5:48:42 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: US Navy Vet

It seems that the only admirable character in that article was “Dunker-The-Dog”.

(sigh)


6 posted on 05/24/2013 5:49:27 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: US Navy Vet

Roosevelt modeled the “New Deal” and the U.S version of the Wefare State on the fascist versions of the times so it doesn’t surprise me that a liberal New Deal politician of the times admired Hitler. it just points out the incredible irony and twisting of history that goes on when the media and Dems claim that Nazis were “conservative.”


7 posted on 05/24/2013 5:49:41 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: US Navy Vet

Maybe that explains why he fought against the Japanese? Just kidding. Virtually all Progressives loved the Nazi regime and also that of Mussolini. It is an undeniable fact and is still part of artistic engravings on major buildings in New York City.


8 posted on 05/24/2013 5:49:54 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: US Navy Vet
This is just another leftwingtard propaganda piece preparing you for another attack on Joe McCarthy ~ after all, JFK and RFK both worked for the good Senator in his battle against the commies and their running dog lackeys!

Remember, JFK was born in 1917, so he was still in his callow yout' period any time he traveled in pre-1939 Deutschland.

9 posted on 05/24/2013 5:51:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: US Navy Vet

Some things never change. Our President today loves Hitler also. Would have loved him at 20 just like JFK did. JfK was not learning about America at a young age either.


10 posted on 05/24/2013 5:53:46 AM PDT by taterjay
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To: US Navy Vet

Lots of famous Americans were fascinated with Hilter before 9-1-39. JFK always had hardons for blond German/Austrian women, and J. Edgar Hoover had files to prove that he was too close to NAZI HONEY POTS; which is one of the reasons he was transferred to the Pacific Theatre.


11 posted on 05/24/2013 5:54:00 AM PDT by mohresearcher
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To: US Navy Vet

Does this conjecture about Hitler have any supporting facts or is it another hot air inflammatory charge? I have not had enough coffee to read beyond the excerpt.


12 posted on 05/24/2013 5:55:37 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: US Navy Vet

No surprise. His dad, Big Joe, was certainly an admirer of Hitler.


13 posted on 05/24/2013 5:57:33 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: central_va

I perfectly willing to laugh at the mistakes any politician makes, but what JFK said does not translate to “I am a jelly doughnut.” The correct translation of his words is “I am one with the people of Berlin.” JFK did not make a mistake despite reports to the contrary.


14 posted on 05/24/2013 5:57:49 AM PDT by mcjordansc
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To: US Navy Vet

American Progressives are the godparents of European fascism. Fascism and Progressivism were not about redistribution, they were about a govt knowing what’s best for the people and working with willing business and financial interests to create a society where the elites “take care” of the people by programs, regulations and laws. the New Deal and before that Wilson’s programs were both American versions of fascism,sans the overt violent enforcement. Mussolini, not Hitler, is the true face of Fascism. and prior to his Ethiopian adventure, Mussolini was much admired by Progressives.


15 posted on 05/24/2013 6:02:39 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: mountainlion

It’s purportedly based on his writings and travelogues.


16 posted on 05/24/2013 6:02:53 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (The Buck Stops Over There.)
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To: mcjordansc

“JFK did not make a mistake despite reports to the contrary.”

Then why did the crowd start laughing?


17 posted on 05/24/2013 6:03:39 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (The Buck Stops Over There.)
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To: mohresearcher
Lots of famous Americans were fascinated with Hilter before 9-1-39.

On one of the History Channel shows, a historian made a comment I found interesting about Hitler. He said that if Hitler had been run over by a bus and killed a few weeks before the invasion of Poland, that he would be considered in glowing terms by modern history books as one of the best and most successful, if not THE best and most successful leader of the 20th century

18 posted on 05/24/2013 6:03:43 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

There was massive cheering.

This whole jelly donut thing is an urban legend started by the NY Times.

It is not true, German grammatical nuances nonwithstanding.

Gruss Gott.


19 posted on 05/24/2013 6:15:05 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: central_va

No, it’s a sausage.


20 posted on 05/24/2013 6:15:14 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: mcjordansc

The use of the article was not correct and changed the meaning.


21 posted on 05/24/2013 6:20:59 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: US Navy Vet; All

Jack-in-the-Sack also admired this German Spy.

In fact, JFK's inability to control Little Jack with this babe got him transferred out of Naval Intelligence (in Washington), then out of big boats (in South Carolina), and ultimately into his PT destiny.

More (somewhat sanitized) details of the affair can be found here.

22 posted on 05/24/2013 6:25:18 AM PDT by Zakeet (If idiots could fly, Washington would be an airport)
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To: US Navy Vet
The future president's praise is now embarrassing in hindsight - a few years later he fought in War War Two against the Nazis

I thought he fought against the Japanese.

23 posted on 05/24/2013 6:28:54 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Not news, but basically JFK (like all Lefties) was a power-junkie, and all power-junkies admire successful power-junkies.


24 posted on 05/24/2013 6:32:10 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the sexual deviants who are the bullies.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Actually, after the war he said that eventually Hitler would be recognized for the great leader that he was.


25 posted on 05/24/2013 6:32:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the sexual deviants who are the bullies.)
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To: mountainlion

Here are some of JFK’s quotes from the book:

‘What are the evils of fascism compared to communism?’

“The Nordic races certainly seem to be superior to the Romans.’

“Hitler will emerge from the hatred currently surrounding him to emerge in a few years as one of the most important personalities that ever lived.’

Joseph Kennedy said, “’Democracy is finished in England. It may be here [in the US].”

The book editor’s believe that JFK was ‘eerily fascinated’ by fascism.

I find it interesting that orators like JFK, Obama, and Mussolini find an appeal in fascism. As if they can control the masses with the mere force of their words.

Reagan was not an orator. He was a great communicator. There is a difference. When Reagan spoke you could hear his heart. Orators speak in praise of self.


26 posted on 05/24/2013 6:36:37 AM PDT by A'elian' nation
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To: xkaydet65

Aw heck, Communism Fascism - What difference does it make?

None actually. Jonah Goldberg in his book Liberal Fascism makes the point that these are not opposite ends of political or ideological spectrums. Rather more like the point where the ends of two strings meet when enjoined in a circle.

It was the communists that fostered the great divide by attacking fascists to draw adherents to their side. Kind of like the DUI today. There is no greater hatred than among one’s own.


27 posted on 05/24/2013 6:49:01 AM PDT by A'elian' nation
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To: mohresearcher

Mmmmm. Austrian women... On a 13-country grand tour of Europe at age 24, I decided in the Vienna train station one night that Austria has the best looking women in Europe. Thirty-five years later I can still see her floating before my eyes. Blond, shoulder-length hair, tan complexion, dark eyes and eyebrows. Cute little nose. Perfect, trim bod. Perfect, long, tanned legs framed by khaki hiking shorts and boots. Oh where was she going? Where is she now? If I go back to Vienna will I see her again?

Thanks for throwing off my whole day!


28 posted on 05/24/2013 6:50:22 AM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: A'elian' nation

The Founding Fathers were orators, theologists, philosophers, inventors...

They were interested in giving the people the power in the country and not to become dictators themselves. Egocentric politicians want to be dictators.


29 posted on 05/24/2013 6:55:46 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

“The Founding Fathers were orators, theologists, philosophers, inventors...”

Sure I grant you that.
I know I was over-generalizing. For some reason I’ve always been able to detect the slimeball, carney, barker, Clintonian orators from the principled ones like Patrick Henry.

And I’ve never known of any orators that use a teleprompter.


30 posted on 05/24/2013 7:26:53 AM PDT by A'elian' nation
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To: A'elian' nation
I know I was over-generalizing.

One of the points I was trying to make was that our founders were greater than these dictators. George Washington was given as the greatest but the Founders as a hole were far greater than later dictators or even Kings of their time.

31 posted on 05/24/2013 7:31:10 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Eurotwit
This whole jelly donut thing is an urban legend started by the NY Times.

No, I've heard that speech many times, and he did say, "ich bin ein Berliner."

Ich bin ein Berliner means "I'm a jelly doughnut."
Ich bin Berliner means "I'm a person from Berlin."

I once lived in Germany and often ate berliners, with coffee, for breakfast.

32 posted on 05/24/2013 7:48:58 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: x
'Fascism?' wrote the youthful president-to-be in one. 'The right thing for Germany.'

In another; 'What are the evils of fascism compared to communism?'

And on August 21, 1937 - two years before the war that would claim 50 million lives broke out - he wrote: 'The Germans really are too good - therefore people have ganged up on them to protect themselves.'

Yeah, it's all that 'goodness' .../s

33 posted on 05/24/2013 7:54:55 AM PDT by GOPJ (It's Gotten So Bad for Obama Fox News Changed Its Slogan to "See. I Told You So!"- Leno)
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To: A'elian' nation
“The Nordic races certainly seem to be superior to the Romans"’

Interesting quote from the man who would later say, Civis Romanus sum in his famous Berlin speech.

34 posted on 05/24/2013 7:55:06 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: US Navy Vet; SunkenCiv
The news comes embarrassingly close to a visit being paid to Berlin next month by President Obama...

Germans are going anti-semite again - and our most anti-Israel President is visiting "embarrassingly close" to the news about JFK being an early Hitler fan... and that's going to hurt Obama? Yep. Very painful. Wink, nod, wink, nod, wink, wink...

35 posted on 05/24/2013 8:02:40 AM PDT by GOPJ (It's Gotten So Bad for Obama Fox News Changed Its Slogan to "See. I Told You So!"- Leno)
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To: US Navy Vet

I know that his daddy did. Churchill kicked him from England for his pro NAZI views. Actually he told Rosevelt to recall him.


36 posted on 05/24/2013 8:05:42 AM PDT by sport
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To: A'elian' nation

I’m asking myself were any of these JFK quotes in Chris Mathews’ book - JFK the Elusive Hero ?

Mathews does fancy himself the penultimate JFK biographer and hagiographer after all.


37 posted on 05/24/2013 8:06:47 AM PDT by A'elian' nation
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To: afraidfortherepublic
That’s why Roosevelt called him home from London.

Roosevelt "called him home" only after Churchill said "get this worthless scumbag out of my sight".

38 posted on 05/24/2013 8:08:26 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: US Navy Vet
That's OK. Apparently Angela Merkel started her political career as a Communist Apparatchik. She and Bratworst should get on just fine. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2323768/Angela-Merkel-shrugs-new-books-claims-propaganda-secretary-Communist-East-Germany.html?amp;ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
39 posted on 05/24/2013 8:10:55 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“So did Daddy Joe. That’s why Roosevelt called him home from London.”

Yep. I think there was even talk of treason ole Joe liked Adolf so much.


40 posted on 05/24/2013 8:21:51 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: A'elian' nation
Aw heck, Communism Fascism - What difference does it make? None actually. Jonah Goldberg in his book Liberal Fascism makes the point that these are not opposite ends of political or ideological spectrums. Rather more like the point where the ends of two strings meet when enjoined in a circle.

The trouble is, Goldberg is a mental midget who doesn't know his history.

The Communists seized the property of and often executed industrialists, aristocrats, and landowners. The Nazis restored property that aristocrats lost under the Weimar Republic, and not only did (non-Jewish) industrialists keep their factories and money, many like Porsche and Krupp got very wealthy under Nazi patronage, as did many prominent German banking families. The same was true in Fascist Italy. That's why there was a great deal of sympathy for Nazis and Fascists among much of Britain's nobility and among many prominent industrialists in both the UK and the US.

In Latin America and Spain, the Soviets backed peasant uprisings, the Fascists and Nazis backed the old landowner patron families and the military juntas.

Fascists and National Socialists were intensely nationalistic, communists were internationalists who (at least in theory) opposed racialism and ethnocentrism.

Other than that, no, I guess there was really no difference at all!

41 posted on 05/24/2013 8:31:48 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: US Navy Vet

One thing that JFK had in common with Hitler is that both managed to create mythical cults of personality. Hitler was seen as a demi-god by his followers, which wasn’t all too different from the “Camelot” myth cultivated by JFK’s sycophants in government and media.


42 posted on 05/24/2013 8:33:35 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: apillar

I like to ask this question.

If you were suddenly taken back in time to 1938, and had ONE CHANCE to kill Hitler with a hand grenade, would you take it?

Problem: He is surrounded with adoring children. Would you take it knowing you might kill some of these children but save millions of lives?


43 posted on 05/24/2013 8:35:42 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
So did Daddy Joe. That’s why Roosevelt called him home from London.

It wasn't just Joseph Kennedy. In the 1920's and 30's, it was increasingly looking like the only choices for Europe were Communist or Fascist governments, and, right or wrong, many in the upper and middle classes saw Fascism as the lesser evil. Their thinking was that they may lose their political and social liberties under Fascism, but at least they would get to keep their property.

44 posted on 05/24/2013 8:38:00 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I like to ask this question.

If you were suddenly taken back in time to 1938, and had ONE CHANCE to kill Hitler with a hand grenade, would you take it? Problem: He is surrounded with adoring children. Would you take it knowing you might kill some of these children but save millions of lives?

I would have to say no, and all moral implications aside, the reason would be that I doubt Hitler's death would have changed much in 1938. The Nazi party was firmly in control by that time and Hitler's replacement would have been a fellow Nazi with the same goals and ideology, he would also have the police state apparatus already set up to quickly quash any resistance. In fact, if Hitler HAD been replaced by a leader that wasn't stupid enough to start a war on two fronts, WW II might have an entirely different outcome, or at a minimum, taken much longer to win.

45 posted on 05/24/2013 8:43:55 AM PDT by apillar
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To: apillar
The Nazi party was firmly in control by that time and Hitler's replacement would have been a fellow Nazi with the same goals and ideology, he would also have the police state apparatus already set up to quickly quash any resistance. In fact, if Hitler HAD been replaced by a leader that wasn't stupid enough to start a war on two fronts, WW II might have an entirely different outcome, or at a minimum, taken much longer to win.

I've often heard it asked why Stalin's first wife didn't kill her husband first before taking her own life. The likely answer is that having someone like Beria in charge would have been even worse.

The same was true in Nazi Germany. If attempts to assassinate Hitler had been successful, you would have just had Himmler or Bormann or Goebbels running things.

46 posted on 05/24/2013 8:49:23 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: afraidfortherepublic

So did grandpappy Prescot Bush, who did business with the tyrant Adolf Hitler.


47 posted on 05/24/2013 8:56:37 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

Some context here.

The American progressive left craved traditional socialism almost from the start, and by this I mean (at the turn of the Century), the Greenback Party (aka the Independent Party, the National Independent Party, the Greenback Party, and the Greenback Labor Party), the Labor Reform Party, the Populist Party, the Democratic Party, and the Socialist Labor Party.

They were thrilled to death when the Russian Czar was overthrown, and first replaced by the squishiest and most incompetent liberals imaginable (even by modern San Francisco standards), and then by the far more determinately socialist communists under Lenin.

As a dictator, Lenin went by the book and implemented every single socialist scheme, and all at once. The result was an amazing failure of every scheme, across the board, and all at once.

Progressive education in the schools, for example, proclaimed by the American philosopher John Dewey, was an utter disaster, producing children that were almost feral. So Lenin ditched that idea and implemented strict, European (German) style schooling.

Lenin tried to collectivize farming. Result, a huge famine. So he went back to private farming.

Lenin ordered the Czarist bureaucracy (many of whom were German or of German descent) abolished, and Russia stopped functioning at all for a week or two, until he restored it in its entirety.

He even tried out the socialist idea of “free love”. Yeah, that failed after about five minutes.

Etc., etc., etc. Every socialist idea was a disaster. Not a single success. But Lenin was at least pragmatic enough to realize it and change back. And then he died.

And Stalin took over, reinstalled every socialist idea that Lenin had discarded, turned Russia into a huge disaster area, and instituted the communist terror in earnest.

Well, despite not wanting to see this happening, American socialists became rather discouraged, except for the few real nutbags, who said that Stalin was right. Communism in the US was pretty limited to just New York City, among immigrants.

But then, along came *National Socialism*. Now *here* was a form of socialism that American socialists could appreciate. They thought it fixed all the mistakes made by traditional socialism, and was the wave of the future.

And all too soon, with the Great Depression and the ascension to power of “Ol’ Frank” Roosevelt:

“What we were doing in this country were some of
the things that were being done in Russia and even
some of the things that were being done under
Hitler in Germany. But we were doing them in an
orderly way.”
— President Franklin D. Roosevelt

In any event, prior to the war, this was the opinion of much of the left in the US, that the fascists had some good ideas, that could do much to lift America out of the Depression. Plus they had such snazzy uniforms and liked to do calisthenics as a group! Such equality! It has to be good.

Even the communists, who at first hated Hitler as a competitor to Stalin, did a 180 degree turn and embraced Hitler, when the Germans and Soviets signed their non-aggression pact. They did another 180 degree turn when Hitler invaded Russia, and hated him again. But not enough to join the military and risk their own precious rear ends.

Well, with the war, Hitler and Mussolini and fascism fell out of fashion again.

This is not to say that their fascist economic policies and principles were discarded by the left. They weren’t, and several are still around today.

And the real nutbags are still around too, hoping to somehow bring back traditional socialism to add to the mix with National socialism. Zero pattern recognition.


48 posted on 05/24/2013 9:56:58 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Yeah there isn’t a whole lot of difference. The little guy still gets screwed no matter if the state seizes property and kills millions or controls it to its liking as we are seeing in this country.

The mobs still hung Mussolini despite making the trains run on time and still fled ‘paradise’ when the walls came down.

Socialists and communists just don’t understand economic markets. I will grant you the nationalistic/international movement difference, and Goldberg makes that distinction as well.


49 posted on 05/24/2013 10:58:46 AM PDT by A'elian' nation
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To: ek_hornbeck

“Goldberg is a mental midget who doesn’t know his history.”

Have you seen the bibliography in his book Liberal Fascism?
I’ve rarely seen such an extensive bibliography. He didn’t make it up.

As for communists killing millions, so have the Fascist Progressive elites with their pogroms of racism, eugenics, and abortion.


50 posted on 05/24/2013 11:13:34 AM PDT by A'elian' nation
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