Skip to comments.Secrecy, Heavy-Handed Tactics Reported at Boy Scouts Meeting
Posted on 05/24/2013 6:32:58 AM PDT by chessplayer
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That's the key point you're missing. You can still be denied membership for not being "morally straight" and not living up to the Scouting standards which haven't changed at all.
“Um, no” to what?
So evil is that powerful that you’d walk away and let it run its course? That’s not Christian, but cowardice.
You aren’t fooling anyone with your ‘to what’, and your game to twist what is posted in response to you is getting a bit stale. Find something different than strawman to play with. Aren’t there any Mormonism threads you can play on? Will the Mormons embrace homosexuality in the scout programs they run? Looks like it. You want to denfned that? Just be honest about it, not obtuse. You’re not smarter than an average freeper as you believe yourself to be.
So did I. In my case, I came across the records of 3 local council scout executives, who I either knew or had met, who had to act upon the files and expel the offenders.
While that is a very Christian, and noble, perspective, let's think further upon it. BSA's policy has always been that the volunteers are forbidden from talking of sexual matters with their scouts. Of course, that is, to a degree, violated when you show them some of the YPT videos - Is "A Time to Tell" still used? Counselling of open homosexual youth would require further training of volunteers. This strays over into the area of "reparative therapy" which is all in the news right now and is under heavy assault by the homosexualists. Of course, commensurate with the homosexual scout is the boy's parents. Now that is another potential time bomb waiting to go off. We get enough of irate parents who aren't involved with their son's unit as it is. Then there is the matter of protecting your younger scouts from an older open homosexual scout. I am not trampling upon your viewpoint - it just needs further examination before I am convinced BSA should go there.
Indeed ... and the churches. Italian communist Antonio Gramsci's (1881-1937) "long march through the institutions" has succeeded.
The structure of the BSA doesn’t allow that, nor should it. The adults involved are nearly always laypeople. They too, shouldn’t be involved. But, the clergy is involved and should be involved in the spiritual lives of the Scout boys.
I’ve seen teen boys get caught up in the homosexual lifestyle who previously acted, spoke and talked normally prior. Then, once in the lifestyle, their mannerisms, speech patterns and behavior changed.
If it isn’t genetic then it is psychological and potentially chemical/biological in origin. It can be overcome and has been. It wouldn’t be appropriate for the other adults or children to do anything for this young person, but to show them Christlike love (agape).
It would be up to the clergy and the parents to decide on the best form of intervention. By getting it out of the dark, you don’t normalize it, although that could happen, instead you get a chance to fix it.
Satan wants to keep it in the dark and that’s where he can win. It’s an unhealthy lifestyle - physically, mentally and spiritually. I don’t know a parent, including those with honmosexual children, that would want their kid to be a homosexual. They love their kids, but not their lifestyle.
In addition having it out in the open is consistent with the YPT we received. If I saw an openly homosexual Scout behaving inappropriately or pursuing/grooming another Scout or being pursued/groomed by an adult leader, neither party could say, “we’re innocent”.
Wow, that is a whole lot of assumption and projection on your part.
Standing up against perversion is not silly it is commanded by God.
I never said that my church sponsored a scout troop. My troop is sponsored by the Moose Lodge. Again, you are assuming and projecting and more specifically, in error.
And when did I ever say that I would abandon a homosexual? Again, you are assuming and projecting. The truth is that I have worked with adult homosexuals and have maintained that their beliefs and desires are a perversion of Gods true love. That there is a better way and that they need to abandon their sin instead of reveling in it. It is the change of mind that is repentance that we are called to make. The problem that most who are morally depraved, is that they see no need to repent of their sin.
However, since the BSA policy change, I can no longer be in a position of leadership as such comments would be in direct violation with BSA policy. It is the BSA tacit approval and acceptance of homosexuality that creates an untenable position for the witnessing Therefore, since the scouts have abandoned the principles of duty to God and being morally straight, I will no longer associate myself with them.
Weak is not standing up for your principles or beliefs. Weak is compromising over and over again until there is nothing left to stand for. It is “acceptance” and “tolerance” that has lead this nation away from it’s great calling.
And yet again, you assume that I’m going to be shirtless. The fact is that I always wear a black t-shirt or polo under my scout shirt. Removing my scout shirt will merely be removing the outer layer. Really, please stop these assumptions and presenting them as straw men.
You also assume that no longer supporting or engaging with an organization that I now disagree with is somehow not “fighting”. Yet a boycott is a well known form of protest. And that is exactly what I am doing. I am boycotting by no longer GIVING my time or money to that organization. I suspect that the BSA will follow a similar trend as the Boy Scouts of Canada in that within a few years, they will be less than half of their current size. All because thousands of others like myself will also be boycotting them. In the end, the BSA will be but a shadow of itself. Yet caught up in their pride, they will not acknowledge that which they have lost.
Lastly, ask yourself these two questions-
Where do you draw the line? At gay leaders? What happens when a 17 year old scout turns 18? Now do we kick them out? how long do you think that will last. Mark my words, within a few years, there will be a push to allow gay scout leaders.
#2 - Between God and Satan, which of the two is going to be more accepting of perversion and sin? And then who’s side do you want to be on?
Just post the video. I really want to see your “act of defiance” because it sounds like something a lefty girl I used to know in college would do. She wore a black t-shirt too.
Anything to suport your Mormon faith, right?
There are those, and they’re found throughout God’s world, who believe themselves special and God a ‘respecter of persons’, but it isn’t so.
Think on it. If a sinner like you can be redeemed, why not a homosexual? Remember that God is sovereign and we’re made in his outline. Anyone can repent and in Jesus’ own words the very gates of Hades (the holding place of the dead) cannot stand against his redemptive power.
Enjoy your Sabbath Day and stop denying the power of God.
Consider all of the disruption that this has caused for hundreds of thousands of kids and families.
*Suddenly thousands of families have to make an abrupt change in their lives
*Kids who loved the schools cannot participate now
*Young boys as young as the Cub Scouts will have to be told by their parents that they cannot be a cub scout anymore
*Boys Scouts and Cub Scouts will have to be told why they cannot be part of the scouts anymore bringing up the distateful subject of homosexuality to little boys
*Friends will split up as some families will choose to stay as others decide to leave
*What will come next? Maybe lists of families who take their kids out so that they can be publicly shamed as the Massachusetts homosexuals did with the names of thousands of people who signed the voting petition to put same sex marriage on the ballot. Remember how that New York paper printed the names and addresses of gun owners? The left is out for blood. They have found a formula that works and they will continue to use it until there is pushback.
One form of pushback...not one dollar of our tax money for anything that is associated with the gay groups.
LGBT organizations gets lots of our tax money.
You wonder whether BSA president Wayne Perry may have a close relative who is homo. I think many prominent people who have sided with the homos have close relatives who are homo—look at Portman who came out to reveal his support for gay marriage because his son was gay. There must be top people in government, corporations and even religious institutions who have close relatives who are homosexual. The homos are taught to play on the sympathies of their families and relatives to get their way.
You are correct. Depending on which statistics you choose to beliew, homosexuals make up 2-4% of the U.S. population. If folks sat down and took the time to examine their extended families they would probably find at least 1 in the family tree. All the polls show that Americans, at least the younger ones, are far more tolerant of homosexuality. Since the Stonewall Riots in NYC during 1969, the homosexualists have been advancing their agenda. At some point society collapses. I compare it to how economists determine the length of a recession - they can't do it in real time. It is always determined after the fact. Sure, there are symptoms for all to see, but they have to crank the data to make it official.
I would be surprised if there are regular occurences of “homosexual parties” in the scouts, in either mormon-led or other-led troops.
And no doubt, many of the homosexuals who are currently involved in scouts are in the closet, at least so far as scouting is concerned.
The BSA has established their two-deep policy for many sound reasons.
Apparently, liberals love the idea of interfering in the doctor/patient relationship, except when they don’t.
If a kid wants to not be gay, I should hope they could get professional help for that. Apparently, abortions you can get in California, but if you want this treatment, you have to go out of state.
I’d love to see the Supreme Court rule on whether therapy is a fundamental right and that kids have the right to get whatever therapy they want without government intrusion.