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Secrecy, Heavy-Handed Tactics Reported at Boy Scouts Meeting
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Posted on 05/24/2013 6:32:58 AM PDT by chessplayer

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To: Carry_Okie

For now. The federal government is now considering silence on the issue of gay pride to be disapproval.

Slippery slope and all that.

2 other states are also trying to adopt this law.


51 posted on 05/24/2013 7:40:25 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Sacajaweau

WTH do the Boy Scouts need with money??

A local church offers their basement one night a week for 2 hours to a collection of 30 well-behaved teenage boys supervised by two responsible men, so they can learn clarity in their moral values and plan upcoming camping trips on public or private land.

The boys (or their parents) buy their own uniforms, Boy Scout Handbook, camping gear. Parents drive them to and from the meetings and camp-outs.

If there is anything much more to it than this, anything requiring some expensive bureaucracy, then that’s the problem, and easily solved.


52 posted on 05/24/2013 7:40:59 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: chessplayer

They decided to keep the pedophiles out. For now. That’s some consolation ...


53 posted on 05/24/2013 7:44:17 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: AppyPappy

I’m glad to hear that!


54 posted on 05/24/2013 7:46:20 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Slippery slope and all that.

I'm not in disagreement there. I was merely pointing out that they probably couldn't get away with a ban on speech such as the language of your post indicated. At least for now.

55 posted on 05/24/2013 7:48:11 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: chessplayer

The people who made and approved these changes to the BSA are the moral equivalents of child molesters. May they all burn in the hottest corners of hell.


56 posted on 05/24/2013 7:53:05 AM PDT by greene66
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To: chessplayer

This is what happens when you let liberals take over the executive leadership of your organization: Faggotry.


57 posted on 05/24/2013 7:54:33 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: chessplayer

I still have my 1960s BSA Handbook to cling to.


58 posted on 05/24/2013 7:57:00 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Da Coyote

They want to get them while they’re young


59 posted on 05/24/2013 8:07:12 AM PDT by molson209
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To: Huskrrrr

That’s the next step.


60 posted on 05/24/2013 8:12:49 AM PDT by vpintheak (We are the chosen few! Be thankful for it!)
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To: onedoug

“The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law.

Scout Oath

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

Scout Law

A Scout is:
Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful,
Friendly, Courteous, Kind,
Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty,
Brave, Clean, Reverent”

Ahh... Morally straight. Not sure if that meant the same thing 100 years ago.

So if I understand correctly, they want to change morally straight to “Fabulous.”
 


61 posted on 05/24/2013 8:13:04 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: chessplayer

Rump Scouts of America ping list...


62 posted on 05/24/2013 8:15:22 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: chessplayer

Rump Scouts of America ping list...


63 posted on 05/24/2013 8:15:35 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: a fool in paradise
2 other states are also trying to adopt this law.

Do you know which two?

64 posted on 05/24/2013 8:18:08 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: AppyPappy
A boy doesn’t have the skills to know whether he is gay or not . . .

Exactly correct. The best an adult recruiter can hope for is to confuse him about his sexuality, then lead him step by step into deviancy.

Boy Scouts provided an avenue to turn young boys into young men by teaching them useful skills which didn't delve into sexuality issues other than the "morally straight" part of the scout code. An avenue which, unfortunately, has just been narrowed by this compromise with evil.

Once upon a time, as a scout leader, I had one boy announce he was gay for exactly the reason you mentioned. I made the comment that he would do his body far less damage if he took up bathing in septic tanks. He laughed, told me he just wanted to see my reaction, and never brought the topic up again.

65 posted on 05/24/2013 8:26:44 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Piranha

“causing conservatives to abandon the organization. This leaves it in the hands of the radicals”

If this would have happened back when I was a scout, we would not have abandoned the organization. We would have created a climate where the gay scouts would want to abandon, if you get my drift.


66 posted on 05/24/2013 8:27:31 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (The true Obama persona is emerging, the one from his first Presidential debate.)
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To: Vigilanteman
" A boy doesn't have the skills to know whether he is gay or not."

Exactly correct. That is why scouting serves as a recruiting ground. Their motto has been "in by 8 or its too late." Sick......

67 posted on 05/24/2013 8:36:11 AM PDT by codder too
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To: Rennes Templar
We would have created a climate where the gay scouts would want to abandon, if you get my drift.

A much better tactic than abandoning the organization to libtards, if you get my drift.

Guerrilla warfare is what troops need to pursue now to prevent wholesale destruction of a once fine organization. Announce that gay scouts are welcome to join, but they still have to keep the "morally straight" part of the scout oath, same as anyone else. Just as a heterosexual youth can't tent up with his girlfriend, neither can a homosexual youth do the same with his boy friend. And since no boy in their right mind would want to share a tent with a self-declared rump ranger, this will mean that he'll be camping alone.

68 posted on 05/24/2013 8:37:37 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: chessplayer

What blew my mind was the mormon church - which has nearly 30% of all chartered troops is just fine with this.

The same church that was behind Prop 8 in Califlower.

So, Gay marriage bad, gay kids OK?

I think they lost their bible or whatever....


69 posted on 05/24/2013 8:38:08 AM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: who knows what evil?

From the bottom of that NY Times article:

“Similar bills have been introduced in New Jersey and Massachusetts, according to Wayne Besen, executive director of Truth Wins Out, a gay rights group based in Vermont.”


70 posted on 05/24/2013 8:40:56 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: chessplayer

if you put your boys into the scouts...
and they get molested...

YOU should be arrested for willful child endangerment

same with the entire upper echelon of BSA


71 posted on 05/24/2013 8:45:06 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: chessplayer
From the article:
So pro-Homosexual Leaders in the Boy Scouts Of America don't believe in fairness or in free speech.
72 posted on 05/24/2013 8:48:31 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: chessplayer

If Boy Scout membership doesn’t decline by at LEAST 30% I’ll be surprised.


73 posted on 05/24/2013 8:52:19 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
They’re about to find out what JC Penney now knows.
74 posted on 05/24/2013 8:53:07 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: a fool in paradise
GIVE THE BOY SCOUTS A PIECE OF YOUR MIND HERE:

http://www.scouting.org/ContactUs.aspx

75 posted on 05/24/2013 8:53:53 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: a fool in paradise
“Similar bills have been introduced in New Jersey and Massachusetts, according to Wayne Besen, executive director of Truth Wins Out, a gay rights group based in Vermont.”

Thanks! My guess was Vermont and Massachusetts...I was half-right, although the movement (ick) is based in the Red Mountain state.

Appreciate your help...rather get the info from a Freeper than to click on a New York Times link...

76 posted on 05/24/2013 8:54:32 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: chessplayer

“.....a wholesome and all-American reputation....”

Not anymore, all of that just died.

Today, the Beast has won this battle, he should be pleased.

There is no way in the world that I would have allowed my son to be a part of this demented nonsense. Thank God he is normal and is now a grown man that I, his father, is very proud of.


77 posted on 05/24/2013 8:55:32 AM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: ASOC
What blew my mind was the mormon church - which has nearly 30% of all chartered troops is just fine with this.

My feelings about the Mormon church were benign up until this point...explains why Glenn Beck is down with gay marriage...

78 posted on 05/24/2013 8:57:33 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: chessplayer
Some great comments on the Sodom Scouts facebook page...

My son will not be joining your organ - ization.

LOL!

79 posted on 05/24/2013 9:01:25 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: chessplayer

Romans 1:18-32 being fulfilled right before your eyes! All the glory to G-d!


80 posted on 05/24/2013 9:02:43 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: baddog 219

Repels mosquitos but attracts lower forms of life.


81 posted on 05/24/2013 9:03:06 AM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Sacajaweau

Conservatives are reluctant to “destroy the village in order to save it.” Instead, I think they tend to rely on help from above. Supporters of the heterosexual boy scouting organization would not have been willing to highlight sex abuse by older scouts and scoutmasters in order to show the dangers of putting them in overnight camping situations because of the discredit it would have brought to the entire organization.

Unfortunately the left has no similar reluctance to burn the village to the ground if need be to gain their objectives.


82 posted on 05/24/2013 9:06:30 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: chessplayer

Wonder how many pieces of silver it took for Wayne Perry to sell out America’s children?


83 posted on 05/24/2013 9:06:45 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: chessplayer

Conservative boy scouts and their families and htose conservatives who fund the boy scouts shoudl immediately break away, and begin their own group- name it somethign else, and pledge to never cave into gay pressure again- Bet they woudl have a lot of families signign up and pulling hteir kids out of the corrupt boy scouts-


84 posted on 05/24/2013 9:11:26 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

Name the organization True Scouts of America.


85 posted on 05/24/2013 9:12:43 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: laweeks

[[All dashed to smithereens . . . sodomites win again . . . morality and decency lose big time.]]

Not IF parents and donors pull their support from thje group and begin their own- send al oud clear message that they will NOT be bullied by the homosexual agenda- There are enough conservative groups and donors that parents coudl start a new organization that bans immoral behavior of any kind as the supeme court has ruled a private organization does infact have the right to do so- Hopefulyl there will be a mass exodus fro mthe boy scouts of
America to send al oud clear message that higher ups do NOT get to decide for everyoen what theirm orality values shoudl be


86 posted on 05/24/2013 9:15:31 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: dagogo redux
If there is anything much more to it than this, anything requiring some expensive bureaucracy, then that’s the problem, and easily solved.

They aren't going to be able to support an expensive bureaucracy when non-corporate donations decline. I don't think the corporate donations will increase until the issue is settled regarding gay scoutmasters. I expect corporate donations to continue to decline, because the pressure will be unrelenting to authorize homosexual scoutmasters.

The lifeblood of the BSA are the 1 million volunteers. Assuming the # of volunteers drops by 40%, how does the BSA expect to effectively continue? Get 70% more output of the remaining volunteers, or go to homosexual groups for assistance?

87 posted on 05/24/2013 9:19:32 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: broken_arrow1

[[When is the last straw going to be the last straw?]]

Germany- Ovens- Gas Chambers- even then there wasn’t enough to break the camel’s back- They did a test here i nthe us asking people to witness what they htought was extreme abuse, and to hit a button when they saw too much but ot refrain if they htought the person was dealign with it ‘ok’ and a few other tests where their morality was beign tested, and time after time the people refraiend even after they said they would pre-test- The show started off by sayign somethign along htel iens of “Think that what happened in Germany woudl never happen here? Think again”

People are shockinglyu capable of tolorating EXTREME abuses to others, and fall into the trap of htinking it could never happen to them even thouigh they see it happenign to everyoen aroudn them- They fall into a mentality of self-preservation which demands they ‘not get involved’ even though they proudly proclaim before the event that they ‘would never’ do such and such- but when it comes down to it- they follow right along with all those before them that simply complied and paid with hteir lives for it- We always htink ‘someone will stop this at soem point’ but noone ever does-


88 posted on 05/24/2013 9:30:14 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: ASOC
Don't think so based on their official statement here. They may just be smart enough to realize this is a guerrilla war and the BSA is worth fighting for rather than abandoning as too many on our side advocate.

The gaystapo may think they have won this round, but wait until the individual troops insist that they abide by the same "morally straight" part of the scout oath as normal heterosexual boys.

89 posted on 05/24/2013 9:44:28 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: chessplayer

After a long battle the Boy Scouts of America finally succumbed yesterday to a terminal case of O’Sullivan’s Law.

O’Sullivan’s Law states that any organization or enterprise that is not expressly right wing will become left wing over time. The law is named after British journalist John O’Sullivan.

One of the reasons for this is leftist intolerance versus right-wing tolerance. Right wingers are willing to hire openly leftist employees in the interest of fairness. Leftist tend to be utterly intolerant, not allow non-Liberals near them, and feel justified in harassing right wingers at every opportunity. The result is that over time conservative enterprises are slowly infiltrated by leftists while leftist enterprises remain the same or move even further left.

Leftism is in and of itself a form of decay, an entropy of the spirit and intellect. It’s what happens not just to nations but to television shows, churches and universities as the energy given off by the big bang of their inception slowly ebbs away. Rather than expend vitality towards originality and creation they become obsessed with introspection, popularity and lethargy.

An enterprise can stave off O’Sullivan’s Law if their creators keep it in mind and remain vigilant. Any organization that grows lackadaisical about its original values will eventually fall prey to this malady.

For example, the Annenberg Foundation was started by a Republican but it didn’t take long before O’Sullivan’s Law had them handing terrorists money for educating kids. The ACLU, the Ford Foundation and the Episcopal Church all fell to O’Sullivan’s Law.

And now, at long last, the BSA.

R.I.P.
Boy Scouts of America


90 posted on 05/24/2013 9:48:46 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: chessplayer

I guess “morally straight” will have to be removed from the Scout Oath.


91 posted on 05/24/2013 9:53:14 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Piranha
By forcing admission of gay scouts they are causing conservatives to abandon the organization.

The same can be said for the military. By allowing gays to openly serve, allowing women in combat, pressure on Christians to "keep their Christianity in the closet" - all combined will result in godly, Christian people to leave the military and far fewer to enlist, thus "abandoning" our once great, GREAT military, turning it over to the dictates of the commie/marxists who desire nothing less than its total control and ultimate demise.

Sound depressing, don't I?

92 posted on 05/24/2013 10:00:07 AM PDT by nfldgirl
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To: Carry_Okie; a fool in paradise
I doubt that this restriction applies to any but public employees.

It applies to all licensed mental health professionals. Any such counseling could result in a loss of the professional license.

93 posted on 05/24/2013 10:03:28 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: P-Marlowe
It applies to all licensed mental health professionals. Any such counseling could result in a loss of the professional license.

Saw that (see post 41). Frankly, this is on the edge of a free speech restriction, but then, I'm opposed to State licensing of professionals in principle. Third-party certification and insurance can fill that role just fine.

94 posted on 05/24/2013 10:11:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: CottShop

I hope there’s a mass exodus, too. However, I just don’t think it will happen. I think most scouts will compromise, because their membership is more important to them than their principles. I hope I’m wrong, but we’ll see.


95 posted on 05/24/2013 10:15:17 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Mean Maryjean
Sound depressing, don't I?

No.. you're being realistic. Conscientous parents will work to dissuade their kids from joining the Scouts and the military and the populations of both will gradually but markedly shift to a more homosexually oriented one.

I would recommend boys and teens to get involved in church youth activities and as for the military... stay away from that hot mess.. go to college or learn a trade instead.

96 posted on 05/24/2013 10:18:30 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: servo1969

I agree... we’re in a very dark time now.

Glad I’m nearing the final quarter-turn of life.


97 posted on 05/24/2013 10:21:43 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Based on their official statement, the Mormons are compromising with moral corruption. So what if an open homosexual isn’t having sex? That’s not the issue. The issue is open advocacy for homosexuality. This isn’t about
sympathy for a child who is struggling with same-sex attraction and helping them overcome homosexuality. It’s about normalization of homosexuality.

That’s the same reason why I would never allow an unrepentant homosexual to join my church. An unrepentant homosexual cannot be a Christian, because they believe they aren’t sinning. So what if they don’t act on it. If they advocate acceptance of homosexuality without condemning it as sin, they aren’t Christian.

Once these folks get their foot in the door, it’s only a matter of time before they want to serve as leaders. It also has a chilling effect on free and open speech. In churches, it starts with pastors who don’t want to discuss homosexuality or sin for fear of offending someone, and once the unrepentant homosexuals are in leadership positions, it reaches open acceptance of their sin.

One cannot be both morally straight and an open advocate for homosexuality. Have no doubt that that is the ultimate agenda here. Homosexuals will not be satisfied until their sexual sin is completely normalized and any dissenters are shouted or litigated out of the public sphere.


98 posted on 05/24/2013 10:30:25 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: chessplayer
Sheesh, I'm off line for one day and the BSA goes from being one of the most honorable institutions to a PC sell out organization.

Going to be interesting to see their revenues drop like a rock. Wonder what their new motto will be? Suggestions?

99 posted on 05/24/2013 10:32:01 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: servo1969

You’re absolutely right. Moral people on the right believe in fairness and tolerance. We want to be nice to people who disagree with us. However, it has been proven time and time again that immoral people on the left do not extend the same courtesies to us. They will use every dirty trick in the book to force their will on us. Every compromise just pushes the ball further left. Oh, they might play nice at first, but just wait until they gain the upper hand. Then their total lack of tolerance and fairness is exposed as they try to squash anyone who disagrees.


100 posted on 05/24/2013 10:36:08 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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