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Bill Would Let Michigan Install Red-Light Cameras
CBS 62 ^ | 5-24-2013

Posted on 05/24/2013 1:09:38 PM PDT by Darren McCarty

Michigan’s local governments would have the option to put cameras at intersections to spot drivers running red lights under proposed legislation in the state House.

A measure recently introduced by Republican Rep. Wayne Schmidt of Traverse City would give local communities the power to put cameras in place.

“This legislation will give more local control to our municipalities while offering a safer environment for the people who live in these communities,” he said in a statement.

The bill has gained the support of local law enforcement officials, who say the cameras will act as an extra deterrent to prevent drivers from committing traffic violations.

(Excerpt) Read more at detroit.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: cameras; redlight; revenueenhancement; traffic
A friend of mine hasn't been in Chicago in years and got a ticket mailed to him. It wasn't his car that ran the light. He fought the ticket and won, but is still quite angry about it.

I have a real problem with the whole "guilty until proven innocent" mindset with these cameras. Cars don't run red lights. People do.

1 posted on 05/24/2013 1:09:38 PM PDT by Darren McCarty
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To: Darren McCarty

And then they can quietly reduce their yellow light time to manufacture some income for themselves as opposed to actually doing anything to improve public safety on the roads.


2 posted on 05/24/2013 1:11:15 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Other places are removing them. These guys are really up on things.


3 posted on 05/24/2013 1:12:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
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Michigan legislative action thread
4 posted on 05/24/2013 1:14:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DoughtyOne

We’ve got some great reps in Michigan but we’ve still got some old guard RINOs.


5 posted on 05/24/2013 1:16:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Darren McCarty

They are excellent for target practice, tho pretty expensive targets.


6 posted on 05/24/2013 1:20:11 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell, Huxley and Rand warned us about 0bama's USA)
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To: cripplecreek

I think of the RINOs as the enemy within. And when you think of the Democrats as the same thing, it gets clear real quick why we’re in such trouble in this nation.


7 posted on 05/24/2013 1:28:05 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Overall the GOP in Michigan is head and shoulders over the democrats but we still get some idiocy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2967053/posts?page=34#34 Newest legislation at the bottom.

>>House Bill 4733: Define breastfeeding woman as civil rights “protected class”
Introduced by Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D) on May 15, 2013

House Bill 4727: Mandate school “cyberbully” policies
Introduced by Rep. Theresa Abed (D) on May 14, 2013

House Bill 4721: Require “comprehensive sexuality” classes in public schools
Introduced by Rep. Jeff Irwin (D) on May 14, 2013

House Bill 4717: Ban felons having ammo (This idiot is ours)
Introduced by Rep. Klint Kesto (R) on May 14, 2013

House Bill 4645: Require headlights on all the time in rain
Introduced by Rep. George T. Darany (D) on April 30, 2013<<


8 posted on 05/24/2013 1:32:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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9 posted on 05/24/2013 1:34:58 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Darren McCarty

They put red light cameras in our city, promising not to shorten the yellow light time. Well, I don’t drive much, and probably hadn’t driven in a few months, but one morning I did follow my husband out to the mechanics to drop off one of our cars.

First thing I said to him after we had dropped off the car was...”They shortened the yellow lights.” He was doubtful. I guess it was noticeable to me because I hadn’t driven in a while, and it just felt wrong when I was going through an intersection, and the light turned red before it used to.

Sure enough 6 months later the company who installed the cameras admits they shortened the yellow light time, my instincts were right.


10 posted on 05/24/2013 1:41:52 PM PDT by memyselfandi59
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To: Darren McCarty

“The bill has gained the support of local law enforcement officials, who say the cameras.....”

will ensure a steady stream of money to fund their salaries, benefits and pensions.

OK, that second part was mine, but let’s be realistic.

FU, Rep. Wayne Schmidt, whoever the hell you are.


11 posted on 05/24/2013 1:45:38 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 4, 2008 and November 6, 2012.....Two days that will live in infamy!)
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Those camera stands will be gone in 60 seconds for scrap....


12 posted on 05/24/2013 1:51:52 PM PDT by Average Al
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To: Darren McCarty

Red Light cameras are not about safety. They are about increasing revenue.
If you have these cameras installed time the length of the yellow lights. Later they will be shortened by a few seconds which results in more people going through red lights and getting tickets.


13 posted on 05/24/2013 1:56:07 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Darren McCarty

Here in Houston we forced the city to remove them. They’re nothing more than an automated ripoff tool.


14 posted on 05/24/2013 2:07:24 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: jimt

I think its pretty unlikely to pass here.


15 posted on 05/24/2013 2:11:08 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

The companies have traditionally gotten about half of the fine and costs money.


16 posted on 05/24/2013 2:31:03 PM PDT by healy61
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To: Darren McCarty

Thank you. Isn’t it amazing what they find time to address while “Rome” (in effect) burns.


17 posted on 05/24/2013 2:48:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: Darren McCarty; Atom Smasher; Hot Tabasco; sergeantdave; stayathomemom; madison10; MichCapCon; ...

Aside from the problems caused by the cameras issuing tickets - even to motorists with no intention of running through red lights - how long do you think the cameras would last on the mean streets of Detroit?


18 posted on 05/24/2013 2:58:50 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Darren McCarty
I would have thought every state had them in place just for the added revenue the pols have to spend. I went and checked and this is what I found.


19 posted on 05/24/2013 3:12:26 PM PDT by deport
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To: Average Al

“Those camera stands will be gone in 60 seconds for scrap...”

Google “gatso.” These are the cameras in use in the UK. They are routinely “set alight” by means of a “petrol soaked tyre” being thrown around them. Ever try to extinguish a burning “tyre,” it’s damned near impossible. This action fries out the guts of the things!


20 posted on 05/24/2013 4:41:54 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387
And here we thought it was terrorists, not camera's being torched. :-)
21 posted on 05/24/2013 4:57:25 PM PDT by Average Al
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To: deport

Legendary talk show host Jay Leno views speed cameras as one of the reasons the UK no longer feels like a free country. Appearing Sunday on the top-rated BBC show Top Gear, Leno suggested that as a visitor, the number of cameras in England is overwhelming. He also suggested that US drivers have a much less tolerant attitude toward photo enforcement.

“See in L.A., people would say, ‘why not just shoot them out?’” Leno said. “In L.A., a day doesn’t go by you don’t see a styrofoam cup stuck over the lens of the speed camera.”

The line about shooting speed cameras drew both laughter and great applause from the crowd. Top Gear host Jeremy Clarkson even appeared momentarily surprised at his counterpart’s suggestion of vigilantism.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/28/2859.asp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0XtNGuijqc


22 posted on 05/24/2013 5:35:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Darren McCarty

government cares nothing about safety.

all this is, is revenue generation.

they screw around with the light times to trap more people now running redlights.

they shrink the yellow light times and screw people. also they can angle them improperly and claim to catch people running red lights when they aren’t.


23 posted on 05/24/2013 5:39:31 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: cripplecreek
I think its pretty unlikely to pass here.
If things look bad, promote the idea that they will cause rear-end accidents unless the traffic lights are equipped with digital countdown displays. These exist. I’ve seen them in Turkey, and they probably have been used elsewhere.
There is IMHO not that much of a reason to fight cameras if everyone knows in advance when the light will turn red - but then, if everyone knows when the light will turn red, there won’t be many violations and thus, not much revenue. Advocating the timer displays seems to me to be a good way to smoke out the actual motive for the cameras.

24 posted on 05/24/2013 6:01:45 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (“Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

A countdown display makes sense with normal lights. On the other hand I don’t want to pay for them.


25 posted on 05/24/2013 6:18:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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I wonder how a red light camera asks questions of the defendent...how does this camera answer questions asked by the defendents lawyer....

At one table we have a camera and at the other table we have the defendent....the camera cannot ask the prosecutor to ask questions for him....its all just that silly...the defendent has a right to question his accuser....I'd like to hear the cameras answers..

26 posted on 05/25/2013 12:12:14 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Darren McCarty

Just more ways for a government which can PRINT ITS OWN MONEY.....STILL wants to STEAL MORE OF OURS. Next they will have cameras to make sure you don’t park to far or too close to the curb, put your signal on when you change lanes and make a turn, stop completely at a stop light, don’t accelerate to fast and burn extra gas.


27 posted on 05/27/2013 1:25:13 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Darren McCarty

Just more ways for a government which can PRINT ITS OWN MONEY.....STILL wants to STEAL MORE OF OURS. Next they will have cameras to make sure you don’t park to far or too close to the curb, put your signal on when you change lanes and make a turn, stop completely at a stop light, don’t accelerate to fast and burn extra gas.


28 posted on 05/27/2013 1:25:58 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I’ve seen countdown timers here, always as part of walk/don’t walk signs. As I recall, when they reach zero, the light goes yellow.


29 posted on 05/27/2013 2:02:24 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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