Skip to comments.George Zimmerman's Lawyers: Trayvon Martinís Texts Talk About Guns, Marijuana
Posted on 05/24/2013 1:10:09 PM PDT by drewh
Trayvon Martin's texts messages and photos were released by George Zimmerman's attorneys Thursday. The messages and photos paint a troubling picture of the teen, as he chats with friends about drugs, guns and fighting
Slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin's cellphone texts and photos show him chatting with friends about marijuana, fighting and guns, new potential evidence shows.
Data from the 17-year-old's cell phone was released Thursday by lawyers for George Zimmerman, whose second-degree murder trial for killing Martin begins next month.
The texts and photos paint a troubling portrait of Martin's home and school life in the months before his death.
In one exchange, a friend texts that Martin is turning into "a hoodlum."
"Naw, I'm a gangsta," his reply read.
In another, he refers to a fistfight with another boy who "snitched" on him.
"I lost da 1st round but won da 2nd and 3rd," he writes, according to transcripts posted on the defense team's website.
"Im not done with fool he gone hav 2 see me again."
The texts are peppered with pot references, and there are photos of what appear to be marijuana plants.
A series of photos show him blowing smoke rings.
One friend calls him a "weedhead."
In one exchange, a friend jokes that he "better be high talking a lot dat s---"
"Naw I ain't smok 2day u just wanna act a ass," he replies.
Perhaps most troubling are the photos and references to getting a gun.
In an exchange on Feb. 18, 2012, eight days before his death, he asks a friend if he or she has a gun.
A text later that day asks Martin if he wants a "22 revolver. "
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trayvon-martin-texts-reference-guns-fighting-pot-article-1.1353832#ixzz2UF6SR89x
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If Trayvon had a president, he’d look like Obama.
So.?! He was an activist in the social media and “the community”. He may have been having textual conversations about drug policy and the need for “rational gun control”. < /lib arguments >
Unfortunately all this attempt to show how evil Treyvon was is a smoke screen. Unless Jorge knew of bad propensities of Treyvon, and thus bolstered a need to use deadly force in self defense, then Treyvon’s background is irrelevant.
Yes, I know. It makes me sick also. But that is the law.
one thug-wanna-be is dead- they should be giving Zimmerman a medal not a kangaroo court.
Mr. Zimmerman, I just wanna eat my candy...boo hoo"
who paid for that gold-toothed ‘grill’?
Taxpayers? Stolen merchandise?
Clearly a fine young man who wanted nothing more than to grow up to be the Chief of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins or the Mayo Clinic.
Bernie and Corey and their scheme team surrogates have been doing that for the last year.
Can I steal this for my Facebook wall?
Zimmerman should be awarded a portion of the taxpayer dollars he saved by eliminating this feral animal. No doubt Obamas favorite son would have ended up baby daddy to 5 welfare moms and in prison for at least half his life.
Does anybody know if he is still taking donations?
Had a friend call him just a kid. Told my friend that he was a young man, and old enough to enlist in the Marines if his mom or dad signed off. And that in a matter of months, he wouldn’t even need them to sign.
wow, he sure seemed like a mean mean mean nasty guy. So glad he’s dead.
If John Boehner had a son-in-law...
On that People magazine cover of St. Trayvon, the whites of his 10-year-old eyes have been PhotoShopped to make them whiterI assume to appear more youthful and less like someone who was already using drugs.
I tell you, I’ve never seen a case of self defense so incredibly railroaded like this one, and I put blame 1000% on Obama. Stuff like this happens every single day, every-single-day, and because the Kenyan had to flame the racial fire, this guy Zimmerman has gone through absolute hell.
If he’s going to be presented as an angel, the defense should be qable to rebut this.
Not so. If there is evidence that Martin had a reputation for a propensity to violence, unbeknowst to Zimmerman, that can come in. It is referred to as evidence of reputation.
Here is a case that cites the relevant case law, and also illustrates the threshold for sufficiency of the evidence, to find reputation.
Simon v. State, 4D08-2903 (Fl 4th DCA, 2010)
"An exception to the rule that character evidence is inadmissible 'permits an accused to use character evidence to show that the victim of a crime was the aggressor and that the accused acted in self-defense.'" Williams v. State, 982 So. 2d 1190, 1193 (Fla. 4th DCA 2008) (quoting Hedges v. State, 667 So. 2d 420, 422 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996)); see also S: 90.404(1)(b)1., Fla. Stat. (2009). "Evidence of the victim's reputation is admissible to disclose his or her propensity for violence and the likelihood that the victim was the aggressor." Berrios v. State, 781 So. 2d 455, 458 (Fla. 4th DCA 2001).
Wow all this time and you people still don’t know that graphic uses the WRONG Trayvon Martin, someone who ain’t dead and lives in North Carolina.
If I were that bro I would be a suing somebody.
If reputation evidence is offered to show the victim's conduct, the defendant's prior knowledge of the victim's reputation is not necessary.Banks v. State, 351 So.2d 1071, 1072 (Fla. 4th DCA), cert. denied, 354 So.2d 986 (Fla. 1977)
On an earlier thread someone mentioned that this evidence could make it in as rebuttal...if the prosecutors cont the myth TM was “14 and honor student”. Also, this is being revealed for potential jurors
This evidence will keep the prosecutors from making this trial “Zimmerman bad...Trayvon good”. Now..,just have to worry about New Black Panthers intimidating the jury
Well, we know the prosecution in this case is dumber than dirt so they may just open that line up for examination by accident because no way any prosecutor is going to serve that one up unless they make a huge error. Biggest thing going for Z in this case is his injuries. If he can get that in properly, the self defense defense wins. If they don’t get it in effectively, not so good.
I think this is why they are not using the stand your ground defense. The state has evidence to show that Z was keeping tabs on Saint Treyvon. So, to use that defense could hurt their case of self defense because the state will throw up the image of a guy following St Treyvon because he was black in a SYGD. No way the state can show or prove that Treyvon was threatened by Z causing St Trevon to confront him physically; Z had a legal right to keep him in eye sight; Z is a neighborhood watch guy and lastly he was doing his volunteer job. St Trevyon reacted beyond legal bounds and Z was defending himself, case closed. All IMHO.
In an immunity hearing, defense goes first, has the burden of production, and the burden of proof is preponderance of the evidence, more likely than not the use of force was justified. Nelson has all sorts of hooks she can deny that on. Not reasonably in fear of serious injury being a big one. Or she'd pull a Serino and say Zimmerman could have waited another 30 seconds (using her immense powers of hindsight). I wouldn't trust her with my dog.
In a trial, the state goes first, and has to prove the crime beyond a reasonable doubt, and has to disprove self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. Worst case is hung jury. I give that about a 15% chance as a racist is allowed into the jury. 85% chance of acquittal.
I really find it puzzling that the defense lawyers would release this material. Why not save it for the trial instead of letting it percolate in the media for a while. Seems to me saving it for the trial keeps the impact stronger, whereas releasing it lets it weaken somewhat. But, then, I really do not much about legal matters....
One of the fundamental things the jury will have to determine is whether it is more plausible that Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman without provocation, or that George Zimmerman acted in an unreasonable fashion so as to provoke the attack. The prosecutor is objecting to evidence of Trayvon Martin's character not because it is irrelevant to such determination, but because they know full well that it is very relevant to such determination. For the right to a trial by jury to mean anything, the jury has to be allowed to make the important factual decisions. If Judge Nelson keeps out such evidence, and the state scores a conviction as a result, it will be Judge Nelson, rather than the jury, who really found Zimmerman guilty.
You are absolutely right. If prosecution opens doors, then defense may debate it.
But I do not think you can voir dire the jury by saying if you hear that Treyvon was a Boy Scout would that impress you? But if you then learned he was a stoner and a violent little mf would that dis-impress you? It would not hurt to “try” but a Judge could say that is going too far. The Judges in this case have been awefully harsh on Jorge and his wife (both accused of perjury already! She was charged!). What the H is wrong with Florida anyway?
P.S. Jorge better lose some weight for trial
If he gets a sane jury. A juror whose mind is clouded by Liberal Mind Fog might have a hard time imagining that someone (TM) could attack another person (GZ) so violently without provocation, and thus regard the severity of the attack as proof that GZ must have done something to provoke TM. That's why some aspects of the TM character evidence are so important. To show that even if it's hard to imagine someone who would attack another person so savagely for no reason, Trayvon Martin was, in fact, just such a person.
I agree with that. Judges screw accuseds all the time.
A “search for the truth”? Ha
Hopefully Jorge’s attorney will be willing to go to jail for his client
These judges are nasty down there. I’ve never seen a case so crying out for self-defense.
Thanks for the authorities. It is a question of state law, rather than clearly USSCt, but these cases are getting some age on them.
If the prosecution is dumb enough to portray Treyvon as a choir boy, then the judge may well allow all the bad stuff to come in.
I am definitely worring about the level of competence of the trial judges down there.
I do have faith in Jorge’s attorney
As a further follow-up, if someone claims self-defense, bad propensities by the decedent which were known to the defendant may be less exculpatory than those which were not. A prosecutor could legitimately argue that if the defendant knew the decedent had a reputation for violence, such knowledge could have elevated his fear of the defendant to an unreasonable extent, and caused him to be over-eager to shoot. Indeed, a really nasty prosecutor might allege that the defendant believed that the decedent's reputation would mean he could be killed with impunity. Such an argument would make no sense if the defendant didn't know of the decent's reputation prior to the attack.
“What the H is wrong with Florida anyway?”
Floriduh is just another state in an ever-lengthening list of $H!T hole states in this country in which to hang your hat.
It just pisses me off that the Marxists have taken hold of all the really nice real estate in they country to work their “magic!” Just like California, Floriduh has two worthless Senators and a governor who can’t even find the toilet in his own office!
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