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Menendez: Immigration bill doesn’t have votes to pass Senate [Disinformation? Or Good News?]
The Hill ^ | 5/24/13 | Jonathan Easley

Posted on 05/24/2013 5:22:25 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) said Friday that the “Gang of Eight” immigration bill doesn’t have enough votes to pass the Senate.

The bill won approval from the Senate Judiciary Committee in a 13-5 vote, but Menendez said it lacks the 60 votes necessary to clear the Senate — despite the bill's four Republican co-sponsors.

“We don’t currently have 60 votes identified in the Senate,” Menendez said in an interview with Univision. “We need to add more votes on the floor. That means that the community in your state, in every state, should be contacting your state’s two U.S. Senators saying that they want comprehensive immigration reform, that they are going to judge their political future based on this vote.”

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; gangof8; immigration
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To: freedumb2003

What about a WASP’s nest there Mr./Ms. freedumb2003???


21 posted on 05/24/2013 6:27:49 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Bitter Ender," "Bitter Clinger," Yes on both. COUNT ME IN!!! I love God and guns, but not gays!!!)
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To: freedumb2003
The pro-amnesty bill commercials I have heard on Hannity and Rush are so intellectually and factually insulting ("Conservative plan" my backside!) I scream at the radio at every lie they utter.

Same here. Makes me want to quit talk radio. And I'm sorry I ever supported RINO Ryan. They all seem to turn on us eventually - and only pretend to be conservative to get that first date. Liars all. (Excluding those like Hunter and Tancredo, who sadly, are gone.)
22 posted on 05/24/2013 6:28:41 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: SierraWasp

>>What about a WASP’s nest there Mr./Ms. freedumb2003???<<

I haven’t seen such a suggestion since college... ;)


23 posted on 05/24/2013 6:32:08 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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To: yorkiemom
ame here. Makes me want to quit talk radio. And I'm sorry I ever supported RINO Ryan. They all seem to turn on us eventually

The tragic part is they seem to be yoked to the idea that if "we ere just 49% pro-amnesty we will get the Latino vote!"

Nonsense! Reagan and Bush made it clear that illegals threaten the legal immigrants and steal from the physically and MAKE legal Latinos scapegoats.

As always, failure to stand on principles loses elections.

The GOP and the RNC are dumber than dirt.

24 posted on 05/24/2013 6:36:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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To: SoFloFreeper
New Rasmussen Poll Shows Lack of Support for Amnesty Without Effective Enforcement First

Thursday, April 4, 2013, 2:17 PM EDT

A new poll from Rasmussen finds that likely voters overwhelmingly favor border security before legalization for 11 million illegal aliens, and 53% of respondents don't think it's likely that the federal government will actually secure the border to prevent future illegal immigration.

The poll was conducted in late-March just before Gang of Eight member, Sen. Chuck Schumer, told NBC News “first, people will be legalized…Then, we will make sure the border is secure...I think most of the American people agree with that.” Rasmussen's poll, however, found that the American people don't agree with Sen. Schumer’s statement.

Rasmussen first asked likely voters if they support a comprehensive immigration reform plan that would grant illegal aliens an amnesty if the “border would really secured to prevent future illegal immigration.” Fifty-nine percent of the respondents said they would favor such a plan.

Of those that said they would support the plan, however, they were then asked, “should those who are now in this country illegally be granted legal status right away or should that come only after the border is secured?” Sixty-four percent of those that supported the plan said the border should be secured before legal status is granted. Only 26% agreed with Sen. Schumer that illegal aliens should first be legalized and then the border secured. . .

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/april-4-2013/new-rasmussen-poll-shows-lack-support-amnesty-without-effective-enforcement-first.

25 posted on 05/24/2013 6:47:49 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This bill is starting to lose a little gas....not much, but some cracks are starting to show. This bill in its current form is DOA in the house. The house committee it has to pass through has some real conservatives on it. This same bill died in 2007 with a republican president & house.

So....not all is lost, quite yet.


26 posted on 05/24/2013 6:57:43 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: LongWayHome
This bill is starting to lose a little gas....not much, but some cracks are starting to show.

The bill that passed the Committee is not the bill that Rubio and Ryan are championing in the radio ads. One wonders, then, why they are still lending their good names to what amounts to a Democrat scam...???

27 posted on 05/24/2013 7:14:55 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE --)
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To: okie01

I can’t figure out Ryan, but I suspect Rubio is something of a dunce....a useful idiot & is in over his head.


28 posted on 05/24/2013 7:20:50 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: SoFloFreeper

Rubio was BSing on Hannity tonight saying the bill must be fixed so he is implying that he doesn’t support it now, yet.

So its probably true for now. More gamesmanship to come.

Yes Rubio was BSing up a storm,


29 posted on 05/24/2013 7:31:38 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: BobL

If 55 Dems vote for it, Obama is impeached in 2015. The rats would lose the senate and republicans would keep the house.

This is a throwaway, designed to put the Republicans in a bad position for 2014. Bill is going nowhere.


30 posted on 05/24/2013 8:03:15 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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31 posted on 05/24/2013 8:09:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: freedumb2003
As always, failure to stand on principles loses elections.

Yup. When they run as RINOS, the base stays home. So they not only don't get the votes they are pandering for - because you can't out pander all the free handouts the liberals are offering - but they lose the votes they were taking for granted. And the next time around - we trust them even less.
32 posted on 05/24/2013 8:14:13 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: LongWayHome
I suspect Rubio is something of a dunce....a useful idiot & is in over his head.

Schumer took him to school, that's for sure.

Let's see if he learns anything from the experience -- as in "Democrats are not your friend".

33 posted on 05/24/2013 8:23:47 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE --)
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To: BobL

Couple of points...

Not every committee yes vote is a guaranteed yes on the floor. Excuses are often made for “voting it out of committee” such as, we’ll be able to offer amendments on the floor that might pass there which we couldn’t pass in committee, or, this deserves to be taken up on the floor at the very least, whether we vote for it on final passage or not, etc etc.

I’m not defending that approach, but lots of times a senator will vote something out of committee and ultimately vote no. A couple examples: Olympia Snowe voted obamacare out of committee. On final passage she voted against it. Kelly Ayotte voted gun control out of committee but no on final passage.

Second point, political analysts seem to think that not every senate Democrat is predisposed to vote for the bill. If that’s true, they would likely be red state moderate Dems or at least pretending to be moderate.

Summing up, adding together RINO committee votes plus all 55 senate Dems will get 60, but politics doesn’t necessarily add up that way.


34 posted on 05/24/2013 8:36:46 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: plain talk

Boehner has already said the bill, as is, will not pass the House.

The House has its own gang working on a bill so that’s not automatically good news, however...

Lets just say for arguments sake that Boehner didn’t say that or didn’t mean that when he said it...

Boehner way back when vowed that the House would never consider a Senate bill, no matter what it was, if Reid goes nuclear in a rule change to fundamentally alter the Senate’s deliberate process.

IOW, if Senate Republicans are steamrollered by Reid, Boehner will treat any such bill as poisoned and it’s DOA.

I know Boehner is hated and I know what his deficiencies are. However, there’s no doubt whatsoever that he means that. Reid would leave him no choice but to stick up for the Senate GOP.

Same goes for rank-and-file GOP in the House. They would not stand for Reid doing this nor would they stand for Boehner cowtowing to Reid.


35 posted on 05/24/2013 8:47:36 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: taildragger

Both current NJ Senators would vote for the bill. If your scenario happened and Cristie appointed new Dems to replace the current ones, that wouldn’t change any votes.


36 posted on 05/24/2013 8:49:35 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: SoFloFreeper
OH NOOOOOEZ
37 posted on 05/24/2013 8:58:34 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: okie01

I think Rubio has ruined his standing with the conservative base. I don’t see him coming back from that.


38 posted on 05/24/2013 9:03:22 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: txrangerette

I agree. The bill is dead if Reid changes the senate rules. The house will not even look at the bill.


39 posted on 05/24/2013 9:05:31 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: okie01

BS. Rubio has always been an amnesty supporter. The idea that he is a fool or naive is ridiculous. He has political ambitions and believes that being an amnesty supporter in FL will advance his political career.


40 posted on 05/24/2013 9:07:29 PM PDT by kabar
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