Skip to comments.Boy Scouts of America Should Drop ‘to God’ and ‘Morally Straight’ From Oath
Posted on 05/25/2013 3:52:24 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
FPN President Joe Glover issued the following response to todays announcement that the Boy Scouts of America will permit open homosexuality among troop members:
The Boy Scouts of America should drop the phrase to God and morally straight from their oath, since theyve decided to reject His standards of morality. The Bible clearly states homosexuality is a sin against God, and yet the Boy Scouts of America has decided to allow it.
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I think this is a huge mistake and will mark the end of the scouts...at least as a major organization. They became something else the moment they do this. Very sad day. I suspect another organization will emerge, one staying true to the Scouts mission.
However, to me - the frothy mouthed statement from the FPN guy was over the top and very legalistic and Phariseeical as well.
“More on the soon to be mass-exodus of young men from the morally corrupt Boy Scouts of America.”
Of course. That is what the Marxist want.
Not to fear, they will reemerge as the “Pioneers”, the Communist version of scouting.
The Boy Scouts will soon disappear.
In many places they are already struggling.
Troops without openly gay scouts may survive for a while, but the first one that comes in will spark an exodus in that troop. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the barrel.
As the BSA descends into a homoerotic meat market, parents at least can know many good church-connected youth organizations are out there to fill the gap, even though the prestige of once-venerable Scouting is off the table.
That said, it’s still very sad BSA has chosen to kneel at Satan’s altar.
So they finally succeeded in turning the Boy Scouts into the Gay Scouts. This will not earn them acceptance. This will hurt gays much more than help them. Where once they were tolerated they are now starting to be despised.
WHEREAS, it is the mission of the Boy Scouts of America to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Scout Law:
On my honor I will do my best
A Scout is:
AND WHEREAS, duty to God, duty to country, duty to others, and duty to oneself are each a core value and immutable tenet of the Boy Scouts of America; and
WHEREAS, the Scout Oath begins with duty to God and the Scout Law ends with a Scout's obligation to be reverent, and that will always remain a core value of the Boy Scouts of America, and the values set forth in the Scout Oath and Law are fundamental to the BSA and central to teaching young people to make better choices over their lifetimes; and
WHEREAS, the vision of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare every eligible youth in America to become a responsible, participating citizen and leader who is guided by the Scout Oath and Scout Law; and
WHEREAS, for more than 103 years, programs of the Boy Scouts of America have been delivered to youth members through cooperation with chartered organizations that select adult leaders who meet the organization's standards as well as the leadership standards of the Boy Scouts of America; and
WHEREAS, numerous independent experts have recognized that the programs protecting Scouts today, which include effective screening, education and training, and clear policies to protect youth and provide for their privacy, are among the best in the youth-serving community; and
WHEREAS, the current adult leadership standard of the Boy Scouts of America states:
The applicant must possess the moral, educational, and emotional qualities that the Boy Scouts of America deems necessary to afford positive leadership to youth. The applicant must also be the correct age, subscribe to the precepts of the Declaration of Religious Principle (duty to God), and abide by the Scout Oath and the Scout Law.
While the BSA does not proactively inquire about sexual orientation of employees, volunteers, or members, we do not grant membership to individuals who are open or avowed homosexuals or who engage in behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the BSA.
AND WHEREAS, Scouting is a youth program, and any sexual conduct, whether homosexual or heterosexual, by youth of Scouting age is contrary to the virtues of Scouting; and
WHEREAS, the Boy Scouts of America does not have an agenda on the matter of sexual orientation, and resolving this complex issue is not the role of the organization, nor may any member use Scouting to promote or advance any social or political position or agenda; and
WHEREAS, youth are still developing, learning about themselves and who they are, developing their sense of right and wrong, and understanding their duty to God to live a moral life; and
WHEREAS, America needs Scouting, and the organization's policies must be based on what is in the best interest of its young people, and the organization will work to stay focused on that which unites us, and
WHEREAS, the Boy Scouts of America will maintain the current membership policy for all adult leaders of the Boy Scouts of America, and
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT:
The following membership standard for youth members of the Boy Scouts of America is hereby adopted and approved, effective Jan. 1, 2014:
Youth membership in the Boy Scouts of America is open to all youth who meet the specific membership requirements to join the Cub Scout, Boy Scout, Varsity Scout, Sea Scout, and Venturing programs. Membership in any program of the Boy Scouts of America requires the youth member to (a) subscribe to and abide by the values expressed in the Scout Oath and Scout Law, (b) subscribe to and abide by the precepts of the Declaration of Religious Principle (duty to God), and (c) demonstrate behavior that exemplifies the highest level of good conduct and respect for others and is consistent at all times with the values expressed in the Scout Oath and Scout Law. No youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone.
The corporatist takeover of the of the Boy Scouts is complete, a sorry end to a great organization.
While I am 100% against the Scouts doing this, I do not see this as kneeling at Satan’s altar. I think they made a scared, poor decision under pressure - one that will ultimately end their organization. I also do not see them descending into a homoerotic meat market...but I do see other good organizations filling the gap.
Concerned parents and grandparents should do all they can to keep their children from the Boy Scouts. The Boy Scouts have in effect praised homosexuality. In no time, young boys will be victimized.
Where did the backbone of the American Military and Police Force come from? Answer: The Boy Scouts of America.
But the Boy Scouts are over, they have allowed gays to prey upon them. Our nation will suffer for it.
To Your Tents Oh Israel! To Your Tents!
Exactly. No parent or grandparent should want their boy sodomized. No parent or grandparent can take that risk.
I agree... GOD will turn HIS back on the Scouts now... I already have. Scouting having been one of the finest things that I ever did in my entire life... this greatly saddens me.
They hopefully won’t be required to do so; either the defections will be so huge they’ll change their pro-sodomite policy OR the lack of numbers will bankrupt the organization. Not even corporate poofers will want to throw money to a dying entity.
The way things OUGHT to go, if there were REAL support for homosexuals, would be for a RIVAL organization to form....see how many adherents they get....instead, they infiltrate a well established group and destroy the ideology.
Pro-sodomite forces failed, for instance, to get a significant following when they started their own religion, under the guise of the “Metropolitan Community Church” movement in the 1970s. So what happened? They weaseled into mainstream churches....and began to change THEM. Today, the MCC is still dead, but formerly strong Christian churches are embracing perversion.
> So they finally succeeded in turning the Boy Scouts into the Gay Scouts. This will not earn them acceptance. This will hurt gays much more than help them. Where once they were tolerated they are now starting to be despised.
Every political act bythe Gaystapo makes the public despise them that much more. They are hated more than ever now and have made it obvious that sexual immorality, power, and control are their objectives. It’s taken over 40 years of continuous TV programming / Hollywood (comedies where they are made to seem harmless and ndoctrination of the children in schools with the concept of false equality, fairness, tolerance ( PC ) and removal of God from the schools to get the low information voters to become sheeple and accepting of the gay lifestyle. While we were distracted by our cushy lifestyle they put gay politicians into office, setup gay activist organizations and laid plans to make pedophelia and the homo lifestyle acceptable. Looks like they’ve succeeded for the moment.
“No youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone”
In otherwords drag queens can join. The current PC name
for drag queens is Transgender. These are males that dress up like women, never had a sex change, still have something swiniging between their legs. They are to be treated as perfectly normal and can join the Boy Scouts. When these
drag queens go to the Veterans Hospital for treatment, they are treated with fullest respect and if they happen to go in to the women’s restroom, well no problem. Say a word to them and you are shown the front door. Welcome to the Obama Zone. Where sexual deviancy is not only accepted as normal but praised and gloried.
When I was in Boy Scouts, any form of fornication would have been seen as not morally straight. What’s next a bestiality merit badge?
Boy Scouts will be the proper name as shamefull as it will be. These boys will grow up and become Scout leaders and be assured they will be scouting for boy’s. It’s all over now!
They’ve turned it into a NAMBLA dream world.
Yep, that's pretty inclusive of any perversion. Opens the door to drag queen scouts, Sodomite Scout, pedophile scouts, Warlock scouts, etc.
Scouting was a great experience for me. It is sad to see this organization sign it's own death warrant.
People think it’s not one or the other, but it is. It might not be kneeling at an altar, but what’s the difference? It’s in.
People think we set the rules but we don’t. We either work for and get God’s presence in an institution, or we’re on our own and we are just not strong enough without His help to keep it out, kneeling at a particular altar or not.
Watch what happens.
As seen at Sandy Hook, if one cares to look, that is, there is no in between. Eliminate God and His Word from an institution and invite the enemy - he’s not going to leave it alone, if that’s what people think - especially where the formation of children is concerned.
And this eliminates God’s Word. Sex is for two people married to each other for the right reasons. It is not for 17 year old boys. And boys need guidance in this. the BSA has always recognized boys’ struggle with temptation.
You shove God out of a youth institution and there is no protection.
For example, people don’t see that the US cannot look away from legalizing abortion and expect God’s protection for the country.
Look at what is going on and the trends in government. Just look at Issa and his incompetence in managing these hearings. That alone portrays the powerlessness of anyone hoping to get rid of massive corruption while we are busy telling God to stay out of everything.
The BSA has just shoved God out. People pretend that spiritual vacuum will not get filled as they pretend the enemy does not exist or that it does not thrive on institutions which tear apart the family, and formative institutions, but that thinking, see, hear speak no evil, is just not effective in keeping it out. It’s there.
When we realize they do not care that they are hated, it’ll be a step in the right direction. They don’t care about our approval, They just use that as a tactic to gain sympathy and power
Personally, I think the organization lost track of its underlying mission years ago. Once you get to the point where you are groveling for corporate donations, then you aren't really true to your mission anymore and have become nothing more than a business enterprise. It isn't just the BSA who falls into this trap, but ANY organization that is run in a similar manner.
Frothy mouthed? Did he promise a jihad on the lately great BSA? Or simply to deny it his future support (I thought we didn’t believe in entitlements?)
Unless there’s more I have missed, what he said sounds like well aimed rhetoric to me. Why of course they won’t, but it needs to be said.
If a scout must demonstrate behavior that exemplifies the highest level of good conduct and respect for others, then what happens when little Jimmy tells his gay tentmate at the campout that he believes in the Bible, and it states that homosexuality is wrong? Has he not just disrespected others specifically the one group of others explicitly approved for membership by the new rule?
You can be sure that lawyers will be all over anyone expressing other than complete adulation for the homosexual lifestyle. Yet I am hearing a lot of people justify keeping their kids in scouting or continuing in their leadership positions on the grounds that they can be good influences on homosexual leaning boys.
There will likely develop a new, explicitly parachurch Scouts with its own name, program, and mission.
If the expression can be pardoned, it looks like an occasion for distinguishing the men from the boys.
I think such a thing will create an uproar.
There are religous organizations/churches that have their own version of “Boy Scouts”, are they too required to abide by the rules now set forth? I think NOT!
They won’t be, of course.
Distinguishing men from boys starts with mothers doing their job and teaching, with the help from formative groups like the former BSA, their sons ho to manage sex temptations.
Separating men from boys is necessary in civilized society.
But we are afraid to say so. Most adults, and look at the numbers on women who vote pro abortion, are not willing to gibe up licentiousness long enough to raise kids. Men.
And when they do, they are faced with raging peers many of whom have had abortions. That’s just the women.
There are a lot of guys out there, and this is separating the men from the guys, who vote pro life, but just for convenience as they are voting pro money for me, and think they’re not contributing to raising morally vacuous kids. But they hang on to the ability to treat sex like recreation and they are not going to give that up. Not even for the sake of preserving the country by raising moral kids, working for morality in politics and business and marrying moral women who will raise their sons to be men.
So, asking for permission to say separating men from boys should give on e pause.
BTW, if a guy says he has 2 kids, that he knows of, the old supposed to be funny joke, truthfully, he doesn’t know how many of his kids have been murdered through abortion by his sex partners. He is bothered by that, whether he knows it or not. That’s natural law.
This is so stupid.
The Boy Scouts of America should change their name to Scout for Boys in America.
the love of money being the root of all evil.
I asked, recently, a dad very active in the BSA and very concerned about this, what does BSA need money for, as this was obviously a corporate takeover.
they don’t know.
It’s so centralized and out of their control.
If parents aren’t able to run it and say no to formatively dangerous practices it’s over.
Will there be other groups? Yes. they won’t have badges etc that are recognized for a long time. And they’ll not be recognized by institutions which don’t like morality, ie, Academia, certain corporations.
Well, that’s what’s going on. people think we can accept wholesale legal abortion and not have this spiritual battle and they lose their way.
But takeover of formative institutions is part of it. They are just not safe.
Most adults accept fornication as normal. That’s where fifty five million abortions and, its root causative agent, birth control, come from.
Teaching kids that fornication is okay, by living it, brings this stuff around.
The BSA cannot be protected from the acceptance of fornication as normal, if even the family is not.
I is the spelling police.
I use spielczech......
Boy Scouts Commit National Suicide
there fixed the Title.
Most adults accept fornication as normal
That may be, but we’re talking about what is the standards taught to under 18 yos. Morally straight used to not include that.
I am sure the corpprate pressure was there, but the corporate culture is under political pressure...
I am sure the corpprate pressure was there, but the corporate culture is under political pressure...
That’s kind of an old testament fundamentalist phraiseeical view....again, awful decision, a fatal mistake in the long run, but I think this was excruciatingly painful for them to make. I reject “kneeling at Satan’s altar” as a description for this.
From the article:
“Corporate America has found that it’s a smart business decision to stand with the majority of Americans who support gay and lesbian couples,” said Rich Ferraro, vice president of communications at GLAAD. “Companies that actively support anti-gay causes are being met with vocal disapproval from the gay community as well as their friends and families, while brands like JC Penney, Johnson & Johnson and Gap are building loyal consumer bases simply by being inclusive.
Vocal disapproval. This is what people cave to. Then, he’s wrong about Penney’s, if he means financial growth, and he doesn’t. The article is biased. What he says is Penney’s has built loyalty.
The BSA will have loyalty among the LGBT groups now and with parents too morally cowardly to see that the only place for sex in BSA is/was in teaching boys how to properly manage temptations and to grow into men who will run this country in the future.
Where will they come from now?
What do these corporations care? What does Stephen Spielberg care - it’s in the article.
These guys all have wives, well, the non gay ones. where are the wives in guiding these men in moral issues. I can guess Spielberg’s wife is Oprah-happy about all of this.
THey think it is a victory of gays in that they won’t be harassed. But that’s not the father of this thinking. Harrassment of gays has no place in civil society, but that’s not what’s going on here.
and if and when harassment of people who don’t accept homosexual behavior becomes apprrent, that will be proof.
By your and his standards, about 99% of all churches should drop God from their name, mission statements, etc. The organization made an awful mistake, and they will pay the price in membership, shame, etc. It is a sign of the times and we should push back against it, but demanding a group that is still on the positive side of the ledger drop God from their name is to totally miss the lesson of the first human to enter Heaven post Jesus - the thief on the cross.
I rejected the term “kneeling at whoever’s altar, as well.
BTW, the Old Testament has not been thrown out, as the Pharisees DID meet a proper end for the holier than thou.
I’m just saying I’m following these stories and they tend toward the misfortune for civilizations. If you think what’s going on is a normal trend, fine.
Then we have no disagreement. The social trend line is awful for all the reasons you mentioned.
It’s rhetorical-hypothetical. I held a hope that that would become obvious when pointed out. Yes, Jesus did strongly caution churches about their possible ultimate ignominious fate if they were beginning to get looie.