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Beverly Cancels Memorial Day Parade Due To Lack Of Veterans
WBZ ^ | 5/25/13 | Jim Armstrong

Posted on 05/25/2013 6:55:52 AM PDT by raccoonradio

BEVERLY (CBS) – This Sunday, the streets of Beverly will look just like they always do. And that’s the problem, some veterans say. The city has cancelled its annual Memorial Day parade for what’s believed to be the first time since the end of the Civil War.

Many veterans who were gathered at the Herman A. Spear American Legion Post on Friday night are upset by the decision.

“It’s not right to me,” says Ron Innocenti. He is a Vietnam veteran who has not only marched in the city’s Memorial Day parade in the past, he says he has also been its grand marshal.

He hates to cancel because of the message it sends to men and women serving now.

“It’s a slap in the face to them that we’re not doing it,” he says. “But on the other hand, I can see why we’re not doing it because of the age of the veterans we have now.”

That gets to the heart of the problem. In Beverly, there just are not enough veterans alive who are well enough to march in the parade anymore.

“Most of us, like myself, either have some knee issues or foot issues or whatever,” explains Jerry Guilebbe, the city’s Director of Veterans’ Services. “Just getting down the street to march” can be difficult if not impossible, he says.

Innocenti agrees. “We try and try,” he says. “When we were younger we used to march everywhere, but we can’t do it anymore.”

As for younger veterans – like the men and women who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan – they are often too busy to take part.

“I’ve found just talking with them,” explains Guilebbe , “they’re emergency medical technicians, firefighters, police. They’re first responders, so traditionally that’s their day to work so it’s hard to get them to come out and actually participate.”

In years past, numbers have fallen so low that for 2013, organizers decided to just have everyone meet here at Odell Park for a ceremony.

It’ll be a proper gathering, it just won’t be a parade.

“It’s very disappointing to me; I think it’s a shame,” says Robert Driscoll, a local veteran who served in Korea. “Hopefully maybe next year we can change that.”

City officials think that’s possible. If enough veterans come forward to participate, or if the city can come up with another way to have them be a part of the parade, then the city will bring it back.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: beverly; massachusetts; veterans

1 posted on 05/25/2013 6:55:52 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

What state or country is Beverly in?


2 posted on 05/25/2013 6:56:53 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: BipolarBob

Boston


3 posted on 05/25/2013 6:58:15 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: raccoonradio

Beverly’s population is about 39,500 but not enough veterans to do a parade...

I know my dad, who served in WWII and is now 92 and with dementia in a rest home, used to tell me when he still could talk with clarity, etc. that the vets organizations were suffering lack of participation—the older vets were dying off and the younger ones “didn’t care—they had other stuff to do and didn’t want to join”. This article says actually younger vets are often first responders, etc., and can’t get the day off.

Is this happening elsewhere?


4 posted on 05/25/2013 6:58:17 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
if the city can come up with another way to have them be a part of the parade, then the city will bring it back.

Floats. Let the older ones ride and wave.

5 posted on 05/25/2013 6:58:50 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: raccoonradio
Veteran's Day is for veterans. Memorial Day is to remember the DEAD, and the dead usually don't show up to parades...unless it is a funeral processional. Those who are alive and enjoy the freedoms we have (or had) should commemorate those who lost their lives in the protection of liberty and freedom. If we have a shortage of those who can't get this straight, then no one will show up to any parade.
6 posted on 05/25/2013 7:00:35 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: BipolarBob

yup Mass.; sorry should have specified (there are some Beverlys in other states and of course our city inspired the name of Beverly Hills)


7 posted on 05/25/2013 7:00:36 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

The Marine that saved my life in Vietnam lives in Beverly. Ought to have a parade just for him, in my opinion..


8 posted on 05/25/2013 7:03:30 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: SERKIT

You say the same thing a friend of mine, a Vietnam Vet, said on Facebook and indeed it’s true. Yes we should honor our vets but this holiday is Memorial Day, which was born as Decoration Day, a day to honor those who have given their lives for our country (...as well as other beloved people who have passed on. There was an old blues song about a man whose wife or lover died; “I get the blues on every Decoration Day”)

And yes, very true:
>>. Those who are alive and enjoy the freedoms we have (or had) should commemorate those who lost their lives in the protection of liberty and freedom

I would go down to Cape Cod on Memorial Day and my Dad would ride in a car in the Centerville Mem. Day parade. Afterwards we might go to the market, Sears, etc. and people would spot my Dad in his cap mentioning his ship (the Bayfield) in the war and they would thank him for his service. Yes. But indeed this is memorial day not veteran’s day.

For those veterans of WWII etc who can’t march I would hope people provide cars to bring them around in a parade. For indeed there are often ceremonies at cemeteries where they can honor their fellow Army, Navy, Air Force or Marines who died in service to the country


9 posted on 05/25/2013 7:05:23 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

This is an incredible tribute to our Veterans by Glen Beck

http://mfile.akamai.com/6713/wma/glennbeck.download.akamai.com/6713/preview/09/05/11-11-02-mem-day-56k.asx

Here’s another Tributes to our Veterans!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKqT0-3JV5E&feature=youtube_gdata_player


10 posted on 05/25/2013 7:06:23 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: raccoonradio

This sounds to me like poor planning. They could have easily put out a call for veterans in the area, or even in the region, and many would be more than happy to turn out.

“The number of Veterans in Massachusetts is 398,252. The Veterans make up 7.8% of the 5,135,613 Civilian Population (18 Years and Older).”

They probably thought that “Veterans”, only means veterans from Beverly, a city with only 39,500 people. It doesn’t.


11 posted on 05/25/2013 7:16:35 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: BipolarBob
The Peoples Republic Of Massachusetts
12 posted on 05/25/2013 7:17:02 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: afraidfortherepublic; raccoonradio
Floats. Let the older ones ride and wave.

Hell, I'd volunteer to parade down the street wearing a veteran's photo & name printed on a sandwichboard.

13 posted on 05/25/2013 7:24:48 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Chainmail
The Marine that saved my life in Vietnam lives in Beverly. Ought to have a parade just for him, in my opinion..

This comment has given me hope for America. It's so easy to forget that there are tens of thousands of heroes still walking around in this country.

14 posted on 05/25/2013 7:32:06 AM PDT by EricT. (Another Muslim terrorist. Who saw that coming?)
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To: raccoonradio

The young generation of veterans is indeed joining the vets’ organizations - Legion, VFW, AMVETS - but the mentality is different.

The last generation is service oriented toward providing ageing vets with services: “We take care of our own”.

The new generation wants to know what services are available to them as members: “What’s in it for ME?”

The WW2/Korea vets are fading fast. The ‘Nam/Desert Storm generation now holds the reins.


15 posted on 05/25/2013 7:36:07 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: raccoonradio

Perhaps it should be the schools and organizations marching to honor the vets. Put the vets in open cars to ride.


16 posted on 05/25/2013 7:55:07 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: raccoonradio

know my dad, who served in WWII and is now 92 and with dementia in a rest home, used to tell me when he still could talk with clarity, etc. that the vets organizations were suffering lack of participation—the older vets were dying off and the younger ones “didn’t care—they had other stuff to do and didn’t want to join”. This article says actually younger vets are often first responders, etc., and can’t get the day off.

I don’t disagree much with what the writer says here.Since I myself am a Veteran and Unfortunately my Occupation requires that I work a Certain Number of Holidays and This year Memorial Day is one of them.

I do disagree with the Fact that the Writer claims that Veterans are “First Responders”Paramedic’s,Fire Fighters,Police,Etc.

Don’t fall for that Term First Responder.The Individual citizen is the First Responder.Always has been and always will be.

Every body else arrives after the fact.This “First Responder Crap” is just a method for the Government and the Government unions to diminish our Civil Rights most notably the Second Amendment and for the Government Unions to threaten the populace with work stoppages should they fail to get what they want during labor negotiations.


17 posted on 05/25/2013 8:01:31 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: raccoonradio

People often wonder why so much PTSD.

These VFW Halls and Am Legion centers were active in the past I guess as neighborhood places where guys who grew up together gathered.

Now, it’s not the norm to live, as an adult, in the place one grew up.

anyway, vets don’t debrief as much as they did in the past and it’s a part of why PTSD is so rampant, part of it. I think there was PTSD in the past just better managed.

also, it is, as Greg G and the gang on RedEye were saying yesterday, it’s out of style to be patriotic, so, even vets are iffy on this. Does the presence of women in the military discourage these clubs?.


18 posted on 05/25/2013 8:01:59 AM PDT by stanne
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To: raccoonradio

Right. This isn’t Veterans Day, it’s Memorial Day.


19 posted on 05/25/2013 8:03:07 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

“I’ve found just talking with them,” explains Guilebbe , “they’re emergency medical technicians, firefighters, police. They’re first responders, so traditionally that’s their day to work so it’s hard to get them to come out and actually participate.”
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That’s funny, when we have a home town Parade almost every Emergency Vehicle we have is in the Parade with lights flashing and Sirens blasting.


20 posted on 05/25/2013 8:05:15 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: raccoonradio

Since the parade is for rembrance and honor of our military, that is the prime purpose for the marching. Our little town in NJ has about 7000+ people and has the usual bands and scout troops, etc. there are usually less than 10 veterans marching, if that. But the ceremony with the reading of the names of those who served, and the playing of taps, is the main reason for the gathering.

The few veterans in Beverly could be on a float, as a FReeper suggested, and be there with their townsmen to honor their heros. Not to do it makes the day meaningless.


21 posted on 05/25/2013 8:05:31 AM PDT by Exit148
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To: raccoonradio

...yet Beverly, MA had thousands of people turn out for a parade a couple of weeks ago for the young lady on American Idol who grew up there. This country is in big, big trouble!


22 posted on 05/25/2013 8:08:24 AM PDT by Batman11 (Obama is not American.. he has no clue what it is to be American.)
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To: Exit148

I meant to add that it is important for the young people in town to understand the day. Would they go to a ceremony only? Having the hoopla of marching with cheering onlookers, brings whole families out. They would be there for the ceremonial part of the event, and get an understanding of why they are there in the first place.


23 posted on 05/25/2013 8:13:03 AM PDT by Exit148
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To: Conserev1

Where is Beverly?

I gave up asking for clarification. I can’t take the chastisement.

but if it’s in the NE that could explain it.


24 posted on 05/25/2013 8:14:07 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

“Where is Beverly?
I gave up asking for clarification. I can’t take the chastisement.
but if it’s in the NE that could explain it.”

Beverly is about a half-an-hour northeast of Boston. Nearby to Salem and the Cape Ann Peninsula. I do believe this parade issue had a lot to do with poor planning. We went to the Patriot’s day Parade in Lexington, MA for the first time this year and it was very long and very well done. Lot’s of Veterans Groups, including m,any, many military vehicles were on display. The people in Beverly need to talk to the parade organizers in Lexington!


25 posted on 05/25/2013 8:20:48 AM PDT by Batman11 (Obama is not American.. he has no clue what it is to be American.)
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To: Batman11

Good to hear.


26 posted on 05/25/2013 8:43:28 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Batman11

Indeed and I’m surprised my city didn’t ask the legislature for permission to change its name to Angie Miller, Massachusetts.


27 posted on 05/25/2013 9:01:59 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

I doubt there’s a lack of veterans, and for certain there isn’t a lack of active duty people. This is the politically (incorrect) correct people and their agenda at work.

The parade would be a great thing even if there were no military service members present, because it’s a thank you, not a fashion show.

Our military is a necessity. It needs to be honored for us, not just people who have been in one of our armed services.


28 posted on 05/25/2013 9:20:00 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: Old Sarge

I’m running up the bullshiite flag on your comment. I’ve been a member of the VFW since 1993 when I returned from Somalia. I was a young Sgt at the time. What my buddies and I found when we joined was an attitude from the older guys that we didn’t belong. The Viet Nam guys took us in with open arms, but the WWII and Korean vets were very condecending towards us. Things have started to change as the WWII and Korean vets are passing away and we are getting Iraq and Afghanistan vets joining. I haven’t seen any of the “War on Terror” guys just looking for a handout. They are just as much involved and in many cases more so than many of the older vets.


29 posted on 05/25/2013 9:54:44 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: raccoonradio

I hate to tell you this but most of those old Veterans did not want the younger ones in any of the Veteran’s organizations, those organizations are usually in charge of parades and things like that. Vietnam Veterans did care when they came home and were told by the WWII, and Korean Veterans that Vietnam was not a “real” war, they were not made welcome by older Veterans. When the WWII guys got old enough that they could not do the organization work- then they tried to recruit the Vietnam Veterans in the last several years. Some have joined, my brother is very involved now with Veteran activities- my hubby has the attitude that he wasn’t wanted before so he has no interest now.

I have noticed that the younger Veterans are overwhelmingly in law enforcement and EMS, firefighting so that part is likely also true that they are busy. I imagine the younger Veterans feel no connection to the Veteran’s organizations since if their fathers, uncles, etc. were Vietnam Veterans they were not likely involved.


30 posted on 05/25/2013 10:13:07 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: SERKIT

It is true that memorial day is to remember the dead, but most parades had Veteran’s in them to remember/honor the dead that served in the military. It is odd there was not enough people other than Veterans to have a parade without them- maybe in that town the whole parade was Veterans but Memorial Day parades I have been to have all sorts of entries and the Veterans are usually just one entry.

I have also noticed that people seem to be losing interest in parades in general so that may play a part.


31 posted on 05/25/2013 10:17:35 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: sean327
Amen. I joined the VFW (4 tours to Iraq and combat wounded). I was visiting Pittsburgh and decided to stop at the post for a beer.

I had my membership card in hand and presented it after I rang the buzzer and the door opened. Some bass turd auxiliary member proceeded to tell me it was a "private club" and I wasn't allowed in. After I asked him why I couldn't enter the grounds of an organization I had to go through hell and pay dues to belong to, he begrudgingly allowed me to the bar. But, he made sure to let me know that everyone knows everyone around here and that's just the way it is with outsiders - it's "their club" (which neither him nor the group he was with were veterans...just guys that were there because their daddies had been veterans) .

I tried to strike conversation with some of the others at the bar but was treated as an outsider.

The post in my town in VA never seemed open except to host BINGO. The other posts I've been to were full of non-veterans and old timers that only wanted to ignore you or matter-of-factly tell you how stupid 'you young kids fight today.' (tactics; not ROEs).

The only thing the VFW ever seemed good for was asking me to renew membership and give other donations.

No thanks.

32 posted on 05/25/2013 10:25:28 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: sean327

I see you’re out in Arizona. I’m reporting what I see in FL.

Your experience is largely different from mine - not wrong, just different. Count yourself lucky in that regard; the climate down here is worse.


33 posted on 05/25/2013 11:11:52 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: Old Sarge

We LIVE Veteran’s also honor those of our brothers an sisters who paid the ultimate price. IMO, by those of us still alive and atetnd Memorial Day services, parades, etc. IS honoring those who have gone before us and we live vetern’s haven’t forgotten them.


34 posted on 05/25/2013 11:35:27 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for HONEST government)
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To: Progov

Sorry for my bad spelling, I didn’t proof read my previous post.


35 posted on 05/25/2013 11:36:35 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for HONEST government)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

...”Floats. Let the older ones ride and wave”....

That’s exactly right! Get them out there regardless....and contact the younger vets to tell them...get their butts out there!


36 posted on 05/25/2013 11:39:11 AM PDT by caww
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To: sean327
I got back from VN in 68 with a LOT of friends and relatives in Mass. I joined the VFW in 1967 in Pleiku and have been a Life Member for over 20 years.

The Post, 507, which I joined when I got out treated us like pariahs, we moved to another Post. The guys I joined with probably had more time in actual, face to face, combat, than half the clowns in the Post.

37 posted on 05/25/2013 11:55:15 AM PDT by Little Bill (A)
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To: Progov

Very true. I have a number of old comrades whom Time has taken from me. I’ll raise a glass to them.


38 posted on 05/25/2013 12:18:10 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: caww

One of our local vets — the oldest Army Air Corps survivor around here (in his mid 90s) was in every parade — not just Memorial Day, but 4th of July, etc. He always rode in a place of honor near the start of the Parade in a Jeep with the top down, a convertible, a fire truck, or some eye-catching vehicle just behind the flags. The whole town would wave and call out to him. We won’t have him this year, as he went home to the Lord in the past yeat. It will be sad.


39 posted on 05/25/2013 12:20:49 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: stanne

No bad Karma from here. I didn’t know where Beverly was either.


40 posted on 05/25/2013 2:56:45 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I just wonder why the younger Vets don’t think it’s important we see them and honor them? Do they not realize the grateful nation we are or is it truly they just don’t care anymore?


41 posted on 05/25/2013 5:27:12 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Earlier on this thread, the VN Era vets complained that the WWII and WWI and Korean War vets were not welcoming in the VFW. Maybe there’s still some of that going on.

One thing that is interesting is that not just any vet is eligible to join the VFW, or the American Legion. Their membership is restricted to vets who served during certain time periods. IOW just any old draftee who served stateside is eligible.

Around here, vets have been known to falsify their dates and places of service in order to get in. There’s a flap going on right now about that.


42 posted on 05/25/2013 5:34:31 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Well they need to change their rules then...all military vets should be welcomed....they have outdated their membership by those heavy handed rules and should be ashammed. Just who do they think is protecting their country now?


43 posted on 05/25/2013 6:38:20 PM PDT by caww
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To: BipolarBob

A neat town on the coast of MA.

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44 posted on 05/25/2013 7:23:50 PM PDT by Mears
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To: raccoonradio
I know my dad, who served in WWII and is now 92 and with dementia in a rest home, used to tell me when he still could talk with clarity, etc. that the vets organizations were suffering lack of participation—the older vets were dying off and the younger ones “didn’t care—they had other stuff to do and didn’t want to join”.

When I was a teenager, I was in a playground next to a VFW post. One Sunday afternoon about 300 drunks came pouring out of the post brawling among one another. Never want to join a post with that memory.

45 posted on 05/26/2013 6:37:51 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: raccoonradio; All

according to their events sched...they have the money and time to celebrate “earth day”

Sunday, May 26
9:00 am Earth Day Walk: The Shoe Pond & USMC - Cultural, Industrial and Natural History of the United Shoe Machinery Corporation and its Environs


46 posted on 05/27/2013 5:23:58 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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