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Coming Soon To America: A Two-Tiered, Canadian-Style Health Care System
Forbes ^ | 05/25/2013 | John Goodman

Posted on 05/26/2013 7:25:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

I believe we are moving toward two different health systems. In one, patients will be able to see doctors promptly. They will talk to physicians by phone and email. They will have no difficulty scheduling needed surgery. If they have to go into a hospital, a “hospitalist” (who reports to them and not to the hospital administration) will be there to make sure their interests are looked after. They may even have an independent agency that reviews their medical records, goes with them when they meet with specialists, and gives them advice on every aspect of their care.

In the other system, waiting times will grow for almost everything ― to get appointments with physicians, to get tests, to obtain elective surgery, etc. Patients may find that they don’t have access to the best doctors or the best hospitals. They may find that the facility where they are treated does not have the latest technology. In terms of waiting times and bureaucratic hassles, health care for these patients may come to resemble the Canadian system. It may become even worse than the Canadian system.

The evolution toward a two-tiered system was already under way before Barack Obama became president. But ironically, the Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare) is accelerating the pace of change. It is doing so in four ways.

First, ObamaCare is supposed to insure 32 million additional people by this time next year. If the economic studies are correct, these newly insured will try to consume twice as much medical care as they have been. In addition, most of the rest of us will be forced to have more generous coverage than we previously had. There will be a long list of preventive services that all plans will be required to cover, with no deductible and no copayment ―

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; canada; canadaheathcare; conciergehealthcare; healthcare; obamacare

1 posted on 05/26/2013 7:25:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

We are moving toward nobles and serfs.

1000 years of darkness, except for those of us who know what this all is. Magna Carta be dammed.

The Sheriff of Nottingham in real life, and the quisling usurper, King John, glad for it all.


2 posted on 05/26/2013 7:31:44 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: SeekAndFind

As Steyn stated many times, Canada has a no-tier healthcare system.


3 posted on 05/26/2013 7:41:54 AM PDT by deadrock
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To: SeekAndFind


4 posted on 05/26/2013 7:51:16 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SeekAndFind

Some pigs are more equal than other pigs.


5 posted on 05/26/2013 7:56:40 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Chode

Idiocracy was a documentary......

Sadly.....


6 posted on 05/26/2013 8:06:30 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: SeekAndFind
All ZeroCare accomplished is to increase the insurance rate base (mandated coverage for preexisting conditions, transgender operations, infertility treatment for homosexuals, etc.) and add an enormous Federal bureaucracy writing regulations, thus assuring that the insurance companies and hospitals add enormous bureaucracies to comply with them.

All of that means higher costs and poorer quality care for larger and indentured Democrat constituencies.

7 posted on 05/26/2013 8:06:46 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I worked for 20+ years at one of the world's most famous hospitals (hint;it's in Boston).During that time I got a pretty fair idea of how American medicine works.Recently,having left the health care biz,I've done some research on Canada's health care system and have applied my findings to my knowledge of our system to make comparisons.Just a couple of examples of the differences.In Canada there's at least one category of heart surgery which,under their official government guidelines,can involve a wait of up to six months (this info confirmed on an official Canadian government website).In the US one waits no more than a few days for even the most non-urgent heart operation (not all heart operations require *immediate*...meaning within minutes...action).Another example...last year a Winnipeg (Canada) newspaper ran a piece analyzing recently released Canadian government data on their health care system.It showed that in Manitoba government guidelines allow for a wait of six months for a hip replacement and only 59% of those needing one in that province got it with that six month period.In this country one waits for a week or two,at most...the need of a hip replacement certainly not representing a threat to survival.I,an ordinary middle class,not powerful,not "connected" American,had my hip replaced a few years ago and eleven business days after having called for the initial consultation with the surgeon I was in the recovery room of a major Boston hospital sporting a new piece of titanium.

Basically,all Canadians are entitled to mediocre (at best) health care whereas here,most Americans receive outstanding care while the rest receive quite good care.

But there is a silver lining to that dark cloud called OsamaObamaCare....not one member of the Obama family,the Pelosi family,the Reid family,the Kennedy family,the Holder family or the Soros family will ever have to wait five minutes to have a hangnail treated,let alone for a heart operation.

God Help Canadians Needing A Hip Replacement

8 posted on 05/26/2013 8:08:36 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Y’know, if we get stuck with socialist medicine, I would support a two-tiered health care system. Those who pay for their insurance SHOULD get better care than those do not.

I pay a large sum to buy the best insurance my company offers for my family and myself. Why should someone who pays nothing get healthcare as good as what I try to provide for my family?

What worries me is that is going to be more a social system - if you work for the Government or its subsidiaries, you get get the best health care. Otherwise, peons who work for a living get share miserable health care with those who do not, AND pay for their health care to boot.


9 posted on 05/26/2013 8:15:23 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: SeekAndFind
The whole article is a good read. It addresses the issue of those who can afford to do so will have concierge doctors they pay an annual fee to and these doctors will have less patients, thus be more available.

What the article doesn't address is whether it will be better just to pay the fine and not sign up for Obamacare at all.

10 posted on 05/26/2013 8:19:22 AM PDT by grania
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To: combat_boots

The Lear Jet Leftists expect to form the core of the global ruling Party. They will continue to enjoy the finest foods and most advanced gadgets the world has to offer — while deciding your fate for you.


11 posted on 05/26/2013 8:19:40 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Gay State Conservative

To make things clear you have to admit that they can get any surgery immediately in Canada too, if they are willing to pay for it.


12 posted on 05/26/2013 8:23:13 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Little Ray

You nailed it!


13 posted on 05/26/2013 8:23:59 AM PDT by rhubarbk (It's official, I'm suffering from Obama fatigue!)
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To: GraceG
yup, sad but true...
14 posted on 05/26/2013 8:30:33 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SeekAndFind
Because the two tiers of health care will compete with each other for resources, the growth of the first tier will make rationing by waiting even more pronounced in the second tier. As a result, waiting times in the second tier could easily exceed those in Canada.

I also believe all this is going to happen much more rapidly than anybody suspects.

No, no, no, no, no! Yes, a two-tiered medical system will arise much more rapidly than most people suspect, but that's the plan. Socialism inevitably results in rigid social stratification. That's one of its primary purposes.

The first lesson history teaches is very few people ever learn the obvious lessons of history.

15 posted on 05/26/2013 8:34:05 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: SeekAndFind
I think this stuff is already starting.

A good friend's mother has what they believe is cancer. She (the mother) is over 60, overweight, housewife all her life, diabetes, etc.

The doctor tells her in no uncertain terms, after some testing, that she MUST go to the Mayo Clinic here in the Phoenix area. The insurance company says, "No we won't cover the Mayo Clinic, you need to find someone else who can do the same procedure, try this place".

She finds a second rate doctor and the place they said to go to. She goes back to get the pre-qual. They say "no, we won't cover that either".

I mean, time of of the essence here in this situation. Yet, they keep stringing her along.

I told my friend, "Well, she CAN go to the Mayo Clinic, she'll just have to pay for every cent of it"

Anyhow, I think she's been deemed obsolete.

16 posted on 05/26/2013 8:40:01 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: SeekAndFind
No need to worry folks.

There will be one crappy level of service mandated by law for everybody. They will make it illegal to directly pay for medical care.

They were going to try that with Hillarycare. It's what they will do next.

17 posted on 05/26/2013 8:47:24 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: SeekAndFind

And remember - “NO SLEEPING IN BEDS!” err {edit} “WIF SHEETS!”


18 posted on 05/26/2013 9:15:42 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Steven Crowder talks about collectivist deathcare in Canada.

ObamaCare Yay Or Nay? The Truth About Canada!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw

ObamaCare, Canadian Healthcare: Steven Crowder talks with Hannity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTNV-wTnF28

DRUGS ARE AWESOME!! Socialized Healthcare Sucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdARfegZDns

Canadian Doctor Agrees with Steve Crowder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n61yXtwl9-M

Steven Crowder talks Socialized Obamacare with Neil Cavuto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQx_Jt_U5h0


19 posted on 05/26/2013 9:18:51 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Little Ray
if you work for the Government or its subsidiaries, you get get the best health care

That FACT calls for action of the people, by the people, for the people.

That's why I like common sense folks like Sarah Palin.

20 posted on 05/26/2013 9:20:22 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Gay State Conservative

I am a former Canadian living here. My opinion is it depends on the province you are in. Alberta seems to be improving re joint replacement. Not so good with CT scans and MRIs-there are very long delays.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Alberta+joint+replacement+wait+times+improve/8122566/story.html


21 posted on 05/26/2013 9:27:53 AM PDT by pugmama
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To: Little Ray
"What worries me is that is going to be more a social system - if you work for the Government or its subsidiaries, you get get the best health care. Otherwise, peons who work for a living get share miserable health care with those who do not, AND pay for their health care to boot."

How about one where if you have connections or are important to the Regime, you get first tier care, but if you are not connected or, worse, oppose the Regime, you get bottom tier designed to reduce or eliminate your category of opposition. Party Card Comrade?

22 posted on 05/26/2013 10:00:57 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: BenLurkin

Interesting, isn’t it? They think themselves immune.


23 posted on 05/26/2013 10:27:02 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Given the scandals and mindset surrounding the commies in control now... I’d guess the two tiers will be “liberal fascists (aka democrats)” and then “everyone else.” With maybe a special sub-category for TEA party people, CC permit holders, etc. being even lower - trying to kill us off.


24 posted on 05/26/2013 10:39:11 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: SeekAndFind

bkmk


25 posted on 05/26/2013 12:44:05 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: pugmama
Given my advancing age (much closer to the grave than to the cradle),my curiosity and my copious free time I've decided to dig deep into Canada's health care system,focusing at first on waiting times,as discovered on official government websites and in reliable Canadian publications.I don't know how long you've been here...and away from Canada...but although Canadians and Brits seem to be resigned to waiting for months (or longer) for vital treatments I,as a lifelong American who's quite familiar with our current health system,can assure you that our people will not tolerate waiting months...or even weeks...for treatments for which we currently wait hours.The fireworks that result will be,shall we say,noteworthy.

More Press on Canada Care

26 posted on 05/26/2013 8:00:52 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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