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Posted on 05/26/2013 9:20:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Uh...I’m confused. What does a family at the breakfast table have to do with communist subversion? Is Mom quizzing the kids about their homework studying the works of Marx?
“OK, Johnny, the rise of industrial capitalism was followed by what additional development?”
“Gee, Mom, it was,..it was,....it was the development of the industrial bourgeoisie!”
“Hence FDR maintained his machine in the South”
Senators Byrd and Glass of Virginia, Bailey of NC, and VP Landon of Texas were members of the bipartisan conservative coalition that opposed FDR and his policies. The conservative coalition in Congress forced FDR to abandon a lot of his proposals, especially when WWII began.
The CCC, the WPA and other programs existed all over the country, they were an attempt to relieve the massive unemployment that existed during the Depression.
Not sure what drove his socialism
What drove FDR was an ambitious man with overwhelming hunger for power and control.
Our American system of government, with it’s checks and balances that intentionally limit the degree of power and control any single person or group can acquire was a limit on his ambition.
Socialism requires centralization of power and control, hence it suited FDR’s ambitions
Long term US policy was to defeat the Nazi regime. Modern critics have the luxury of knowing when the war would end, something not available to the war planners of that time.
The military assets available to the war planners were being used to defeat the German military as quickly as possible. The camps had no strategic value, most of them were located far to the east of the front lines, and had the rail lines to them been bombed the Germans would simply have rebuilt them.
It’s not clear to me what critics think would have been accomplished by bombing the rail lines. If the camps were cut off the inmates would have just died sooner of starvation. New inmates would have been diverted to new sites, father east, and it would have drawn 88s to the camps since the Germans would be expecting more raids.
And while the death camps are known factor today at that time it would have been impossible to separate rumor from fact. WWI had been filled with stories of the Germans bayoneting Belgian babies. Propaganda and war run together, you don’t have to be cynical to question atrocity stories. The soldiers liberating the camps were shocked to discover what had gone on. If the death camps had been common knowledge they would have been revolted by what they saw but they would not have been surprised.
Bkmk. Thanks for posting.
A question for any is, how does this relate to our policy towards China and its plans?
Note also that Communism comes from the devil, the originator of the the “root of bitterness” and and occupy movement and the welfare entitlement mentality (see Gn. 3) and “share the wealth” ideology.
“British troops did not save Poland; they did save Britain from the same fate.”
Britain (along with France) declared war on Germany to defend Poland; Germany had no resources to fight Britain (as borne out by the final result). Axis resources had to be dedicated to the East (war with the USSR was inevitable); subjugation/occupation of Britain was impossible.
http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Intelligence-Evacuation-Japanese-Residents/dp/0960273611/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1369679011&sr=8-9&keywords=magic+intercepts ~ you might read the reviews someday. It cannot be emphasized enough that NOTHING in the Magic intercepts was ever used by any of the principals in the JA evacuation as a justification. Much of the push came from folks interested in buying up property owned by Japanese Americans at tax sales ~ one family I know of owned most of Wilshire Boulevard for much of its length from the shore to miles inland. A tempting target and sold to investors within days of their being interned.
That was an incredibly long and dangerous supply line ~ BTW, we won!
It was far more important for the US to provide stuff to the Russians than to put soldiers on the ground who'd have to be fed and supplied locally by a nation that didn't have anything to supply them with.
It wasn't just FDR. Eisenhower was as guilty
Excellent thread, btw. It's obvious to me there are any number of Freepers who are as interested in Soviet espionage and its consequences as am I.
Someone mentioned the excellent work, Witness, a book that should be read by all even over 60 years later.
Someone else gave credit to uncovering the Soviet threat to Chambers and Bentley but failed to mention Gouzenko. Though not an American he was the first to reveal Soviet penetration of a Western government.
>>Uh...Im confused. What does a family at the breakfast table have to do with communist subversion? Is Mom quizzing the kids about their homework studying the works of Marx?<<
LOL. Have you seen ‘The Americans’ on FX?:-)
>>The US was in the background providing food, ammunition, vehicles, bombs and every other thing needed to fight a war ~ DIRECTLY from Detroit, Chicago, Fort Wayne, South Bend, Indianapolis and Louisville to the Russians in the Battle of Stalingrad.
Spot on. The material list of what we supplied the Soviets is breathtaking. Convoys to Archangel and Murmansk, plus much moved through Iran to the southern Soviet Union. For one example, the Soviets built essentially NO trucks during the war. They built their own tanks and some of the railroad stock, but any motor transport they had came from Detroit via those routes.
Lend Lease to Russia
From Major Jordan’ Diaries
(NY: Harcourt, Brace, 1952)
It was 1948, and it wasn't the Communist party itself but the "Progressive" party (a Communist front).
Wallace was a real odd bird.
It must be remembered that Stalin signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler on August 23, 1939, and he's not the one who broke it. If Hitler had kept up his end of the bargain, Ol' Smilin' Joe would have been happy to stay his pal.
I mention this because there are people out there who seem to believe that Stalin scripted the entire thing (somehow including Hitler's invasion) just so the Commies could be allies with the West.
It was Hitler who made the Commies and the West into allies.
I think you mean John Nance Garner. Landon was FDR's (liberal) Republican opponent in 1936.
The most useful sort of "useful idiot".
The Kingan meat packing plant in Indianapolis sent half the pork in America for 2 years straight to the Red Army fighting the Germans. Then there were the truck and tank engines made there ~ some of my aunts and great aunts worked assembling artillery shells and rockets for transport to the Russian troops ~ we worked hand in glove with those people.
After the war it took another 50 years before anyone here felt free to praise the Russians for their efforts on the front ~ where they died and we didn't.
I really don't know what more I can say about it ~ oh, yeah, one more thing, when I was not quite 6 months old my mother used to take me outdoors in the late afternoon up on Portland street in DC to wait on my dad to fly into Bolling. She'd be there and tell me "There's your daddy's plane. He'll be home soon" ~ and next thing you know he'd be home. That's way back BEFORE D-Day. Tens of thousands of planes, pilots and crew members were being rotated through Fairfax County and Alexandria for a final briefing with Roosevelt or the Secretary of War or a top General ~ before embarking for the European theatre.
I was born on holy ground as much a piece of the front against the Nazis as those bombed out hulks of steel and concrete in Russian cities ~ sometimes i'll recall the day and night roar of the planes taking off to be ferried across the Atlantic.
A friend of mine grew up over there, and he never met anyone who ever lived in WWII St Petersburg or Stalingrad ~ seriously. He was a professor at Moscow U. Such people did not make it to the future.
“Have you seen The Americans on FX?:-)”
No. I’m still confused, and old. F/X is something I was forced to learn in differential calculus, IIRC.
Is this the `Stepford Family’? Or is it the updated version of “Red Nightmare” where Mom & Dad suddenly feel the house beginning to shake as Soviet tanks rumble down the streets of Middletown U.S.A.?
The family characters look too perfect, that’s for sure. FWIW, I lived through the Sixties and learned there was a huge difference between kids who rejected their parents’ ideals & went radical, and those who were Red Diaper babies raised on Marx & Engels.
Read Eugene Lyons’ “The Red Decade” (1940), about communist subversion in Hollywood during the 1930’s.
We survived Soviet aggression; I don’t know if we can resist Islamic caliphate tyranny. I don’t plan to be around for a negative outcome as I am already visiting friends in nursing homes & that’s no way to check out, either.
I will never forgive FDR for so many things, but Yalta and winning WWII for the Communists are just two of them.