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Author: Soviet agents subverted US in 1930s
The Daily Caller ^ | May 26, 2013 | Ginni Thomas

Posted on 05/26/2013 9:20:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: LyinLibs
Author: Soviet agents subverted US (in) SINCE 1930s
51 posted on 05/26/2013 11:58:14 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Liberty Wins

52 posted on 05/27/2013 12:03:44 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: Liberty Wins

THANKS!!!!


53 posted on 05/27/2013 12:07:16 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

“None Dare Call It Conspiracy” was patterned after “None Dare Call It Treason”. Unfortunately, both authors took real facts and mixed them with fiction, supposition, and incomplete research to tell the story of communism and its’ penetration of American politics and society.

While well-intentioned, these kind of books divert people away from the more complicated Soviet operations and American counter-intelligence operations that have taken decades to be declassified and released to the American public.

The “Venona” papers were known to some in the 1950’s or 60’s but were never spoken up until the 1990’s due to ongoing decryption efforts.

The same for the British counterpart operations to Venona.

Believe me when I say that more exposes’ of Soviet/American Communist subversion will be coming out this year and next.

At least two new books are on the way, with a third just being started on Alger Hiss. Trust me on this.

Also, a new document on communist subversion in America (i.e. labor unions, etc). has been found and will be released to the public sometime later this summer. Some very famous Soviet operatives will be listed in it, and they have long tentacles, at least three from Moscow into the US labor unions, politics, and maybe to a president (by way of several “cutouts”).

All in good time, friends. A lot of research has to be done to put this document into its proper perspective and the speculation of its meaning re those mentioned has to be very carefully worded because there are no known follow-up documents to it (right now), though they should exist.

Welcome to the wonderful world of subversion.


54 posted on 05/27/2013 12:11:33 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Forgotten Amendments

That is why we depend on law, not men.


55 posted on 05/27/2013 12:23:12 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: jtal; Pelham

Our collective grandpa thru the depression and WWII

both rather traumatic...my parents loved his demeanor even as my dad and pawpaw hated his politics

FDR carried everyone at first but rich northeastern Yankees who knew him for what he was

A traitor to their class

But he was popular elsewhere in 32 and 36 with landslides

But by 1940 he was known as a progressive by common sense midwesterners and great plains folk

But still a dearth of electoral votes in opposition

FDR was in a class by himself for his era

Not sure what drove his socialism

He was a mamas boy...

Socially conservative....hell who wasn’t then?

His socialism still lingers....and was the springboard for our cancers


56 posted on 05/27/2013 12:31:59 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Fedora
Your comment " ... We did win the war ..." even today is an opinion widely held.

However, within the context of this topic, consider the immediate period after the VE and VJ surrender signings.

Would the European countries, free prior to WWII, believe the Allies had restored that freedom? What, for example, would the Poles say? Oddly, Poland was invaded from the West and Britain goes to war; a couple of weeks later Poland is invaded from the East and not a peep from Britain.

Or, FDR being fully aware of Katyn, does nothing. This after the fan-fair of the "Four Freedoms" and the Atlantic Charter "raise" hopes of a just peace, ..., etc. [Note: Nothing is ever signed, however.]

In the recent Freedom Betratyed:Herbert Hoover's Secret History of the Second World War (editor George Nash), is chapter and verse from the US Treaty of Recognition of the USSR and the direct results of that FDR Administration decision. Stroke FDR's ego and wonderous things happened, stroke current President's ego and ... Same script?

To add another path - How is it that the USSR, under Lend-Lease, got nuclear materials in the Spring of 1943 - long before the Trinity test? And the winner is Harry "The Hop" Hopkins - Agent No. 19 from the Venona Project OTP decrypts, and FDR's "stroking" alter ego. USSR industrial espionage was the norm under Lend-Lease (e.g., the IL-2 "Sturmovik" warplane had the US-borrowed "Vee" engine as its powerplant).

The Founders truly believed in an informed public, with an underlying assumption. Free and unbiased reporting on the issues of the day - as in the Federalist Papers discussing the adoption of the US Constitution. This assumption became a non-starter with Wilson (recall the "method" of the US entry into WWI) and that continues even today.

The only "bump in the road" or divergence has been with the advent and use of the internet, blogs, ... In that vane, consider the current action of the AG on the press ...

57 posted on 05/27/2013 2:01:03 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: Fedora

“For instance, Churchill wanted to invade Europe directly from North Africa instead of coming through Normandy, which was Stalin’s preference because it gave him more opportunity to gain ground in Eastern Europe. However it’s a bit much for the author to conclude that we didn’t win the war.”

Churchill got his wish with the epic fail in Italy in 1943; the Normandy “foothold in Europe” was necessary because the “toehold” in Italy couldn’t get past Albert Kesselring’s defense (which cost a lot of allied lives). Churchill knew Britain had lost the war because they had declared war to defend Poland, and the Poles were enslaved at the end of it anyway. What did British troops die for?


58 posted on 05/27/2013 3:40:35 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Jack Black; ProgressingAmerica

ping to 1930s subtrefuge


59 posted on 05/27/2013 3:50:41 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Jack Black; ProgressingAmerica

ping to 1930s subterfuge


60 posted on 05/27/2013 3:50:53 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: LyinLibs
The resemblance is eerie:

This is why the "Obama was born in Kenya" thing is wrong- no way a 19 year old unwed mother could've flown to Kenya in 1961 from Hawaii, then jetted back. I DO think Frank Marshall Davis is Barry's baby-daddy, that Barack Obama Sr. was just a cover.

61 posted on 05/27/2013 3:51:36 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: MuttTheHoople

“I DO think Frank Marshall Davis is Barry’s baby-daddy, that Barack Obama Sr. was just a cover.”

That’s makes 0bama’s “poem” about his “dad’s” stained underwear all the more disturbing.

When I casually mentioned the poem last year, my best friend yelled at me for 10 minutes for failing to bring the poem to his attention sooner.

I assumed everybody knew about it.


62 posted on 05/27/2013 3:54:17 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bfl


63 posted on 05/27/2013 4:00:13 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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64 posted on 05/27/2013 4:04:04 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Actually the Marxist plague was introduced in this country via the Red Republicans after the Revolution of 1848 in Europe.
Check out this book, “Red Republicans and Lincoln’s Marxists: Marxism in the Civil War”. Allowing mass emigration from the communist of Eastern Europe and Scandinavia contributed.


65 posted on 05/27/2013 4:10:41 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At long last, somebody’s paying attention..


66 posted on 05/27/2013 4:13:40 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: SpaceBar

“It is also a fact that for roughly a century, communists concentrated considerable effort into subverting the American black community, and we are now reaping the bitter harvest. Strip away all the ethnic peculiarities of the afro-american culture, and it’s pure unaldulterated communist/socialist doctrine.”

Word!


67 posted on 05/27/2013 4:30:30 AM PDT by stockpirate (F. Douglass, "A man's rights rest in three boxes: ballot box, jury box, and ammo box)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If McCarthy had said that *most* government employees were Communists instead of *all* of them it looks as if he would have been right on the money.
68 posted on 05/27/2013 5:56:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

You misspelled the last word the letter “e” is not needed.


69 posted on 05/27/2013 6:01:19 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: SpaceBar

No secret there...Commies were always infiltrating black community

NAACP founder WEB DuBois was a full bore Commie who was making trips to the USSR well before FDR recognized them in 1933. No wonder the Black community in this country is so geared for govt assistance


70 posted on 05/27/2013 6:03:33 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Frank Marshall Davis isn’t Baracks father. D’Souza debunked that anti Birther myth in 2016.

Please do not jack an interesting and historical thread with debunked nonsense


71 posted on 05/27/2013 6:13:15 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: tomkat
"I laid out the entire plan, yet nobody listened."


72 posted on 05/27/2013 6:43:19 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Sine_Pari

Well, we sure have one now in ole Jean Kerri’....4 Billion for West Bank “reconstruction”, and Putin won’t see him (as part of the charade). Agent in place, and a rich eurotrash one to boot. Lord help us.


73 posted on 05/27/2013 7:20:56 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Been saying the same thing, at least about the State Department. State was so infiltrated by Communists that it no longer worked on behalf the US. And even after the infiltrators retired (few of them were actually caught...) their legacy in the form of policies and personnel guaranteed that the State Department would never again work against Communists or for the US.
An Administration would literally have to fire EVERYBODY from State, completely revise its policies and hire new, vetted personnel, making sure to avoid anybody who ever attended an Ivy League college.


74 posted on 05/27/2013 7:51:39 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: Liberty Wins

My understanding is that the Soviets were holding American POWs they capture, er, “liberated” in eastern Germany. If we didn’t give them the Soviet POWs back, we wouldn’t have gotten back our POWs.
As it is, they grabbed some technical types from among American POWs and held them a decade or longer after the war.


75 posted on 05/27/2013 7:57:06 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: Amberdawn

“Even my Father thinks FDR was a good man, though I have recently set the story straight with him. My Dad was born in 1931 and to him, the jobs programs started by FDR were a good thing. He was one of a family of 9 children, when poverty was REAL, so I can understand where he comes from.”

Both my parents born around the same time express that same sentiment about FDR.


76 posted on 05/27/2013 7:57:48 AM PDT by Rebelbase (1929-1950's, 20+years for full recovery. How long this time?)
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To: wardaddy

“But by 1940 he was known as a progressive by common sense midwesterners and great plains folk.. But still a dearth of electoral votes in opposition”

There’s a very good book called “The New Dealers’ War: FDR And The War Within World War II “

http://tinyurl.com/23uvaos

it details forgotten political opposition to FDR, a lot of it from within the Democratic Party. By 1937 southern Democrats joined with conservatives in the Republican Party to form ‘the conservative coalition’ to fight the New Deal.


77 posted on 05/27/2013 8:02:43 AM PDT by Pelham (Deport illegal aliens? Hell yes!)
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To: SpaceBar

The “ovens” were certainly a minor part of pre WWII US involvement. An end result of the failed policies of FDR (and Hoover) to get us out of the Depression,because war employed everybody (like the song “working on the national defense”)

At the risk of being accused of saying it was all about “oil” , recommend a read of “The Prize”. Japan, with the Asian Co-Prosperity sphere, and the Dutch oil fields in a similar fashion. Italy completes the Axis, and all three with a commonality of world socialism coupled with dictatorship (and theft of private property).

Another great read, soon to be a movie is “In the Garden of the Beasts”, a diary referenced account of FDR’s first ambassador appointment to Germany— Ambassador Dodd... whose daughter was “loose”, slept with the first head of the Gestapo and eventually became a fully fledged proven Soviet agent. It documents the State Dept’s anti-semitism that continues to this day, and is of a common thread with Stalinism’s anti-semitism. For example, the ship S.S. St.Louis... resulted from intentional neglect as policy with European Jews. The policy being more about industrial trade and oil (never forget how much leverage finally had to be put on the Rockefeller interests to get out of Germany— and stop their biz in the chemical/oil business there with a 30% stake in slave labor IG Farben- a bigtime political exposure of FDRs backers ). In the UK, royal family ties often trumped patriotism, and was only overcome by the potential of the end of the kingdom.

History, from first hand sources, exposes all of the fantasy and fiction created by Stalinists (like “the Good War” as opposed to Vietnam which they and their pals said was not), and their fellow-travelers, the FDR worshippers (because indeed FDR was fully compromised).

Tyranny was abated only for a while, by great human sacrifice for freedom in the “war to end all wars” and WWII. God Bless our Warriors for their sacrifices- in all wars from the Revolution to the present.


78 posted on 05/27/2013 8:33:44 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: exit82

“Whittaker Chambers has been vindicated. His book Witness (1952) is a must read for anyone who wants to know the truth about Soviet penetration of DC in the 1930s and who Alger Hiss really was.”

True.

Whittaker Chambers and Elizabeth Bentley been American spies for the Soviet Union. Both defected from the Communist Party and it was their testimony that exposed the depth of Soviet penetration of the US government.

Senator Joe McCarthy later capitalized on their revelations but it was really Chambers and Bentley who exposed the network of soviet spies working in the US.


79 posted on 05/27/2013 8:36:57 AM PDT by Pelham (Deport illegal aliens? Hell yes!)
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To: John S Mosby; SpaceBar

“The “ovens” were certainly a minor part of pre WWII US involvement.”

For one thing “the ovens” didn’t exist until after America had already entered WWII. The ‘final solution’ was decided upon at the Wannsee Conference in January 1942, and the extermination policy wasn’t exactly announced for everyone’s attention.

Moreover the complaint that the Air Force should have bombed the rail lines to the concentration camps doesn’t hold much water as rail lines were not hard to rebuild.


80 posted on 05/27/2013 9:07:50 AM PDT by Pelham (Deport illegal aliens? Hell yes!)
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To: Rebelbase

Unless people understand the WHOLE program that FDR and leftists put into place, they will continue to view him as a “good” man. This is why leftists are difficult to fight, in that they propose programs that do help some people for a limited time, but then go on to adopt ever increasing regulation, rules and laws that strangle liberty.


81 posted on 05/27/2013 9:51:33 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: CPO retired

wow...only problem was all of the murdered Jews by the Germans! Otherwise Patton’s idea was a great one!


82 posted on 05/27/2013 9:59:39 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: jamaksin

“However, within the context of this topic, consider the immediate period after the VE and VJ surrender signings.” But as this illustrates, there were surrender signings. We defeated Germany, Italy, and Japan—we did win. We can criticize FDR’s policy on issues such as Lend-Lease and Poland (and I would add his policy of supporting the Chinese Communists to that list) and we can expose the extent of Soviet subversion without the author resorting to making soundbytes like “I don’t believe we won World War II” that needlessly place an undue burden of proof on FDR’s critics. Other authors on this subject like John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr manage to make the point without saying things like this.


83 posted on 05/27/2013 9:59:49 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: laplata

Yes, it is always busily at work subverting God’s people and plan.


84 posted on 05/27/2013 10:00:42 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Forgotten Amendments

It’s a circle which keeps repeating itself. Washington and the rebels kicked evils ass for a good amount of freedom and spreading of goodness, but it that was always in jeopardy. But Jesus will put an end to that circle ...coming to a theater near you soon!


85 posted on 05/27/2013 10:05:18 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: kearnyirish2

The Italian campaign was a rewrite of Churchill’s original plan developed in concession to Soviet objections.

Germany was coming for Britain whether Poland fell or not, and the Soviets were waiting to swoop in when Germany fell. British troops did not save Poland; they did save Britain from the same fate.


86 posted on 05/27/2013 10:07:22 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: fabian

Yes, it is always busily at work subverting God’s people and plan.


We win in the end.

This time on earth is very short.


87 posted on 05/27/2013 10:07:33 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: laplata

Yes, I think within a few short years we will see Jesus physically come and he will finish the war, finally.


88 posted on 05/27/2013 10:19:47 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FDR’s Vice President Wallace ran as the candidate for the American communist party in 1952.

Even the Dems didn’t want him and replaced him with Truman for the 1944 election or Wallace would’ve been President.


89 posted on 05/27/2013 10:40:36 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: muawiyah

If you read the history of the Magic intercepts, there was a lot bad going on with those of Japanese ancestry in the U.S. during the early days of WWII, and known interaction with Japanese military/intelligence.

Magic: The Untold Story of U.S. Intelligence and the Evacuation of Japanese Residents from the West Coast During WW II
http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Intelligence-Evacuation-Japanese-Residents/dp/0960273611/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1369679011&sr=8-9&keywords=magic+intercepts


90 posted on 05/27/2013 11:24:16 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Pelham

In re: the “ovens” absolutely true, but several concentration camps with shootings, guillotining etc, and burial disposal, were in place and operational. This being true to the overall US policy in re: the “ovens”, the vast number of camps in operation and the nazi agenda of genocide. This agenda was for all in opposition to the socialist state of Hitler, of whom a majority were Jews, but included Gypsies, Catholics, Lutherans,Jews,Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Maquis, Greeks, Cypriots, Hungarians, Romanians, etc.
Point taken on Wannsee dating, but long term US policy ignored Jews along with all the rest of the persecuted of the Nazis— it was not the priority and State was filled with snot nosed Eastern academe elitists who carried water for world socialism. And still do today.


91 posted on 05/27/2013 11:43:39 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Little Ray
My understanding is that the Soviets were holding American POWs they capture, er, “liberated” in eastern Germany. If we didn’t give them the Soviet POWs back, we wouldn’t have gotten back our POWs.

My Dad was in the 8th AF in '44/'45. If they were shot down, they were told to immediately find German troops and surrender. If German farmers found them, they'd butcher them. And if they fell into Soviet hands, they tended to disappear.

92 posted on 05/27/2013 11:48:06 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Pelham

The manna for the Southern Democrats were the govt. programs that local demo fiefs controlled with “nice work if you can get it” govt. jobs-— the CCC, WPA, and many others. Hence FDR maintained his machine in the South.


93 posted on 05/27/2013 11:53:03 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The one thing I’ve always wondered about - if these conclusions are correct - and they basically correspond to my long held beliefs so I’ll accept them for the moment - then how to put the so-called “Venona Files” into perspective. If Russia/USSR has meant to co-opt us all along then are the Venona files what they purport to be or are they themselves a false flag? And if that is the case, do any of these conclusions change? House of Mirrors stuff.


94 posted on 05/27/2013 11:53:31 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper; 2ndDivisionVet
I'll respect your opinion on: "While well-intentioned, these kind of books divert people away from the more complicated Soviet operations and American counter-intelligence operations that have taken decades to be declassified and released to the American public."

But will have to disagree. The book mentioned did not have the goal of wading into every aspect brought out in that statement. But on the financiers primarily, end of this horrible story.

For the rest of your response, I can only give you a positive thumbs up in total.
The NDCIC and NDCIT books where not written to be all encompassing.

95 posted on 05/27/2013 12:45:11 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: SpaceBar

I think the issue might not be whether the US should have gotten involved in WWII but the extent which we supported Russia. Perhaps we should have made the Russians bleed a lot more so we bled less?


96 posted on 05/27/2013 1:18:09 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee

Sorry but that just dont fly. The Russians were DONE bleedng by the time we got more than our big toe n the water! Sorry, not to knock on us but, truth is truth like it or not.


97 posted on 05/27/2013 1:27:38 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: The Toll

Yes, but the only reason they did so well is that we were already arming them well before the US entered the war. Perhaps we should have let them bleed some more. Why the hell did we go to war with an ally like Russia?


98 posted on 05/27/2013 1:36:04 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee

Not sure. Why did the British even bother to defend their island just to hand the land over to people that kill them in their own streets. *shrug* As evil as the Nazi’s were I don’t think they intended to actually replace the native people with third worlders like the Labor Party has done.


99 posted on 05/27/2013 1:40:20 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: The Toll
Can't disagree with you there. As much as the British hate the French Revolution and the terror it unleashed, the British now have their own version of the Committee on Public Safety, operating to protect Moslems from “hate”. Off-topic I guess....
100 posted on 05/27/2013 1:47:07 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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