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Posted on 05/26/2013 9:20:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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“None Dare Call It Conspiracy” was patterned after “None Dare Call It Treason”. Unfortunately, both authors took real facts and mixed them with fiction, supposition, and incomplete research to tell the story of communism and its’ penetration of American politics and society.
While well-intentioned, these kind of books divert people away from the more complicated Soviet operations and American counter-intelligence operations that have taken decades to be declassified and released to the American public.
The “Venona” papers were known to some in the 1950’s or 60’s but were never spoken up until the 1990’s due to ongoing decryption efforts.
The same for the British counterpart operations to Venona.
Believe me when I say that more exposes’ of Soviet/American Communist subversion will be coming out this year and next.
At least two new books are on the way, with a third just being started on Alger Hiss. Trust me on this.
Also, a new document on communist subversion in America (i.e. labor unions, etc). has been found and will be released to the public sometime later this summer. Some very famous Soviet operatives will be listed in it, and they have long tentacles, at least three from Moscow into the US labor unions, politics, and maybe to a president (by way of several “cutouts”).
All in good time, friends. A lot of research has to be done to put this document into its proper perspective and the speculation of its meaning re those mentioned has to be very carefully worded because there are no known follow-up documents to it (right now), though they should exist.
Welcome to the wonderful world of subversion.
That is why we depend on law, not men.
Our collective grandpa thru the depression and WWII
both rather traumatic...my parents loved his demeanor even as my dad and pawpaw hated his politics
FDR carried everyone at first but rich northeastern Yankees who knew him for what he was
A traitor to their class
But he was popular elsewhere in 32 and 36 with landslides
But by 1940 he was known as a progressive by common sense midwesterners and great plains folk
But still a dearth of electoral votes in opposition
FDR was in a class by himself for his era
Not sure what drove his socialism
He was a mamas boy...
Socially conservative....hell who wasn’t then?
His socialism still lingers....and was the springboard for our cancers
However, within the context of this topic, consider the immediate period after the VE and VJ surrender signings.
Would the European countries, free prior to WWII, believe the Allies had restored that freedom? What, for example, would the Poles say? Oddly, Poland was invaded from the West and Britain goes to war; a couple of weeks later Poland is invaded from the East and not a peep from Britain.
Or, FDR being fully aware of Katyn, does nothing. This after the fan-fair of the "Four Freedoms" and the Atlantic Charter "raise" hopes of a just peace, ..., etc. [Note: Nothing is ever signed, however.]
In the recent Freedom Betratyed:Herbert Hoover's Secret History of the Second World War (editor George Nash), is chapter and verse from the US Treaty of Recognition of the USSR and the direct results of that FDR Administration decision. Stroke FDR's ego and wonderous things happened, stroke current President's ego and ... Same script?
To add another path - How is it that the USSR, under Lend-Lease, got nuclear materials in the Spring of 1943 - long before the Trinity test? And the winner is Harry "The Hop" Hopkins - Agent No. 19 from the Venona Project OTP decrypts, and FDR's "stroking" alter ego. USSR industrial espionage was the norm under Lend-Lease (e.g., the IL-2 "Sturmovik" warplane had the US-borrowed "Vee" engine as its powerplant).
The Founders truly believed in an informed public, with an underlying assumption. Free and unbiased reporting on the issues of the day - as in the Federalist Papers discussing the adoption of the US Constitution. This assumption became a non-starter with Wilson (recall the "method" of the US entry into WWI) and that continues even today.
The only "bump in the road" or divergence has been with the advent and use of the internet, blogs, ... In that vane, consider the current action of the AG on the press ...
“For instance, Churchill wanted to invade Europe directly from North Africa instead of coming through Normandy, which was Stalins preference because it gave him more opportunity to gain ground in Eastern Europe. However its a bit much for the author to conclude that we didnt win the war.”
Churchill got his wish with the epic fail in Italy in 1943; the Normandy “foothold in Europe” was necessary because the “toehold” in Italy couldn’t get past Albert Kesselring’s defense (which cost a lot of allied lives). Churchill knew Britain had lost the war because they had declared war to defend Poland, and the Poles were enslaved at the end of it anyway. What did British troops die for?
ping to 1930s subtrefuge
ping to 1930s subterfuge
This is why the "Obama was born in Kenya" thing is wrong- no way a 19 year old unwed mother could've flown to Kenya in 1961 from Hawaii, then jetted back. I DO think Frank Marshall Davis is Barry's baby-daddy, that Barack Obama Sr. was just a cover.
“I DO think Frank Marshall Davis is Barry’s baby-daddy, that Barack Obama Sr. was just a cover.”
That’s makes 0bama’s “poem” about his “dad’s” stained underwear all the more disturbing.
When I casually mentioned the poem last year, my best friend yelled at me for 10 minutes for failing to bring the poem to his attention sooner.
I assumed everybody knew about it.
Actually the Marxist plague was introduced in this country via the Red Republicans after the Revolution of 1848 in Europe.
Check out this book, “Red Republicans and Lincoln’s Marxists: Marxism in the Civil War”. Allowing mass emigration from the communist of Eastern Europe and Scandinavia contributed.
At long last, somebody’s paying attention..
“It is also a fact that for roughly a century, communists concentrated considerable effort into subverting the American black community, and we are now reaping the bitter harvest. Strip away all the ethnic peculiarities of the afro-american culture, and its pure unaldulterated communist/socialist doctrine.”
You misspelled the last word the letter “e” is not needed.
No secret there...Commies were always infiltrating black community
NAACP founder WEB DuBois was a full bore Commie who was making trips to the USSR well before FDR recognized them in 1933. No wonder the Black community in this country is so geared for govt assistance
Frank Marshall Davis isn’t Baracks father. D’Souza debunked that anti Birther myth in 2016.
Please do not jack an interesting and historical thread with debunked nonsense
Well, we sure have one now in ole Jean Kerri’....4 Billion for West Bank “reconstruction”, and Putin won’t see him (as part of the charade). Agent in place, and a rich eurotrash one to boot. Lord help us.
Been saying the same thing, at least about the State Department. State was so infiltrated by Communists that it no longer worked on behalf the US. And even after the infiltrators retired (few of them were actually caught...) their legacy in the form of policies and personnel guaranteed that the State Department would never again work against Communists or for the US.
An Administration would literally have to fire EVERYBODY from State, completely revise its policies and hire new, vetted personnel, making sure to avoid anybody who ever attended an Ivy League college.
My understanding is that the Soviets were holding American POWs they capture, er, “liberated” in eastern Germany. If we didn’t give them the Soviet POWs back, we wouldn’t have gotten back our POWs.
As it is, they grabbed some technical types from among American POWs and held them a decade or longer after the war.
“Even my Father thinks FDR was a good man, though I have recently set the story straight with him. My Dad was born in 1931 and to him, the jobs programs started by FDR were a good thing. He was one of a family of 9 children, when poverty was REAL, so I can understand where he comes from.”
Both my parents born around the same time express that same sentiment about FDR.
“But by 1940 he was known as a progressive by common sense midwesterners and great plains folk.. But still a dearth of electoral votes in opposition”
There’s a very good book called “The New Dealers’ War: FDR And The War Within World War II “
it details forgotten political opposition to FDR, a lot of it from within the Democratic Party. By 1937 southern Democrats joined with conservatives in the Republican Party to form ‘the conservative coalition’ to fight the New Deal.
The “ovens” were certainly a minor part of pre WWII US involvement. An end result of the failed policies of FDR (and Hoover) to get us out of the Depression,because war employed everybody (like the song “working on the national defense”)
At the risk of being accused of saying it was all about “oil” , recommend a read of “The Prize”. Japan, with the Asian Co-Prosperity sphere, and the Dutch oil fields in a similar fashion. Italy completes the Axis, and all three with a commonality of world socialism coupled with dictatorship (and theft of private property).
Another great read, soon to be a movie is “In the Garden of the Beasts”, a diary referenced account of FDR’s first ambassador appointment to Germany— Ambassador Dodd... whose daughter was “loose”, slept with the first head of the Gestapo and eventually became a fully fledged proven Soviet agent. It documents the State Dept’s anti-semitism that continues to this day, and is of a common thread with Stalinism’s anti-semitism. For example, the ship S.S. St.Louis... resulted from intentional neglect as policy with European Jews. The policy being more about industrial trade and oil (never forget how much leverage finally had to be put on the Rockefeller interests to get out of Germany— and stop their biz in the chemical/oil business there with a 30% stake in slave labor IG Farben- a bigtime political exposure of FDRs backers ). In the UK, royal family ties often trumped patriotism, and was only overcome by the potential of the end of the kingdom.
History, from first hand sources, exposes all of the fantasy and fiction created by Stalinists (like “the Good War” as opposed to Vietnam which they and their pals said was not), and their fellow-travelers, the FDR worshippers (because indeed FDR was fully compromised).
Tyranny was abated only for a while, by great human sacrifice for freedom in the “war to end all wars” and WWII. God Bless our Warriors for their sacrifices- in all wars from the Revolution to the present.
“Whittaker Chambers has been vindicated. His book Witness (1952) is a must read for anyone who wants to know the truth about Soviet penetration of DC in the 1930s and who Alger Hiss really was.”
Whittaker Chambers and Elizabeth Bentley been American spies for the Soviet Union. Both defected from the Communist Party and it was their testimony that exposed the depth of Soviet penetration of the US government.
Senator Joe McCarthy later capitalized on their revelations but it was really Chambers and Bentley who exposed the network of soviet spies working in the US.
“The ovens were certainly a minor part of pre WWII US involvement.”
For one thing “the ovens” didn’t exist until after America had already entered WWII. The ‘final solution’ was decided upon at the Wannsee Conference in January 1942, and the extermination policy wasn’t exactly announced for everyone’s attention.
Moreover the complaint that the Air Force should have bombed the rail lines to the concentration camps doesn’t hold much water as rail lines were not hard to rebuild.
Unless people understand the WHOLE program that FDR and leftists put into place, they will continue to view him as a “good” man. This is why leftists are difficult to fight, in that they propose programs that do help some people for a limited time, but then go on to adopt ever increasing regulation, rules and laws that strangle liberty.
wow...only problem was all of the murdered Jews by the Germans! Otherwise Patton’s idea was a great one!
“However, within the context of this topic, consider the immediate period after the VE and VJ surrender signings.” But as this illustrates, there were surrender signings. We defeated Germany, Italy, and Japan—we did win. We can criticize FDR’s policy on issues such as Lend-Lease and Poland (and I would add his policy of supporting the Chinese Communists to that list) and we can expose the extent of Soviet subversion without the author resorting to making soundbytes like “I dont believe we won World War II” that needlessly place an undue burden of proof on FDR’s critics. Other authors on this subject like John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr manage to make the point without saying things like this.
Yes, it is always busily at work subverting God’s people and plan.
It’s a circle which keeps repeating itself. Washington and the rebels kicked evils ass for a good amount of freedom and spreading of goodness, but it that was always in jeopardy. But Jesus will put an end to that circle ...coming to a theater near you soon!
The Italian campaign was a rewrite of Churchill’s original plan developed in concession to Soviet objections.
Germany was coming for Britain whether Poland fell or not, and the Soviets were waiting to swoop in when Germany fell. British troops did not save Poland; they did save Britain from the same fate.
Yes, it is always busily at work subverting Gods people and plan.
We win in the end.
This time on earth is very short.
Yes, I think within a few short years we will see Jesus physically come and he will finish the war, finally.
FDR’s Vice President Wallace ran as the candidate for the American communist party in 1952.
Even the Dems didn’t want him and replaced him with Truman for the 1944 election or Wallace would’ve been President.
If you read the history of the Magic intercepts, there was a lot bad going on with those of Japanese ancestry in the U.S. during the early days of WWII, and known interaction with Japanese military/intelligence.
Magic: The Untold Story of U.S. Intelligence and the Evacuation of Japanese Residents from the West Coast During WW II
In re: the “ovens” absolutely true, but several concentration camps with shootings, guillotining etc, and burial disposal, were in place and operational. This being true to the overall US policy in re: the “ovens”, the vast number of camps in operation and the nazi agenda of genocide. This agenda was for all in opposition to the socialist state of Hitler, of whom a majority were Jews, but included Gypsies, Catholics, Lutherans,Jews,Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Maquis, Greeks, Cypriots, Hungarians, Romanians, etc.
Point taken on Wannsee dating, but long term US policy ignored Jews along with all the rest of the persecuted of the Nazis— it was not the priority and State was filled with snot nosed Eastern academe elitists who carried water for world socialism. And still do today.
My Dad was in the 8th AF in '44/'45. If they were shot down, they were told to immediately find German troops and surrender. If German farmers found them, they'd butcher them. And if they fell into Soviet hands, they tended to disappear.
The manna for the Southern Democrats were the govt. programs that local demo fiefs controlled with “nice work if you can get it” govt. jobs-— the CCC, WPA, and many others. Hence FDR maintained his machine in the South.
The one thing I’ve always wondered about - if these conclusions are correct - and they basically correspond to my long held beliefs so I’ll accept them for the moment - then how to put the so-called “Venona Files” into perspective. If Russia/USSR has meant to co-opt us all along then are the Venona files what they purport to be or are they themselves a false flag? And if that is the case, do any of these conclusions change? House of Mirrors stuff.
I think the issue might not be whether the US should have gotten involved in WWII but the extent which we supported Russia. Perhaps we should have made the Russians bleed a lot more so we bled less?
Sorry but that just dont fly. The Russians were DONE bleedng by the time we got more than our big toe n the water! Sorry, not to knock on us but, truth is truth like it or not.
Yes, but the only reason they did so well is that we were already arming them well before the US entered the war. Perhaps we should have let them bleed some more. Why the hell did we go to war with an ally like Russia?
Not sure. Why did the British even bother to defend their island just to hand the land over to people that kill them in their own streets. *shrug* As evil as the Nazi’s were I don’t think they intended to actually replace the native people with third worlders like the Labor Party has done.