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To: Fedora
Your comment " ... We did win the war ..." even today is an opinion widely held.

However, within the context of this topic, consider the immediate period after the VE and VJ surrender signings.

Would the European countries, free prior to WWII, believe the Allies had restored that freedom? What, for example, would the Poles say? Oddly, Poland was invaded from the West and Britain goes to war; a couple of weeks later Poland is invaded from the East and not a peep from Britain.

Or, FDR being fully aware of Katyn, does nothing. This after the fan-fair of the "Four Freedoms" and the Atlantic Charter "raise" hopes of a just peace, ..., etc. [Note: Nothing is ever signed, however.]

In the recent Freedom Betratyed:Herbert Hoover's Secret History of the Second World War (editor George Nash), is chapter and verse from the US Treaty of Recognition of the USSR and the direct results of that FDR Administration decision. Stroke FDR's ego and wonderous things happened, stroke current President's ego and ... Same script?

To add another path - How is it that the USSR, under Lend-Lease, got nuclear materials in the Spring of 1943 - long before the Trinity test? And the winner is Harry "The Hop" Hopkins - Agent No. 19 from the Venona Project OTP decrypts, and FDR's "stroking" alter ego. USSR industrial espionage was the norm under Lend-Lease (e.g., the IL-2 "Sturmovik" warplane had the US-borrowed "Vee" engine as its powerplant).

The Founders truly believed in an informed public, with an underlying assumption. Free and unbiased reporting on the issues of the day - as in the Federalist Papers discussing the adoption of the US Constitution. This assumption became a non-starter with Wilson (recall the "method" of the US entry into WWI) and that continues even today.

The only "bump in the road" or divergence has been with the advent and use of the internet, blogs, ... In that vane, consider the current action of the AG on the press ...

57 posted on 05/27/2013 2:01:03 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: jamaksin

“However, within the context of this topic, consider the immediate period after the VE and VJ surrender signings.” But as this illustrates, there were surrender signings. We defeated Germany, Italy, and Japan—we did win. We can criticize FDR’s policy on issues such as Lend-Lease and Poland (and I would add his policy of supporting the Chinese Communists to that list) and we can expose the extent of Soviet subversion without the author resorting to making soundbytes like “I don’t believe we won World War II” that needlessly place an undue burden of proof on FDR’s critics. Other authors on this subject like John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr manage to make the point without saying things like this.


83 posted on 05/27/2013 9:59:49 AM PDT by Fedora
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