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What If the Next President Is Even Worse? (Guess who he uses as an example? Yep!)
Yahoo! News / The National Journal ^ | May 28, 2013 | Ron Fournier

Posted on 05/28/2013 3:01:59 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

George W. Bush in 2001 declared war on a tactic (terrorism), and empowered Big Brother to tap phones, launch drones and indefinitely imprison people without due process.

Barack Obama in 2008 declared those Bush policies an overreach, and pledged to curb drone strikes, protect media freedoms, and close the prison at Guantanamo Bay. Instead, he escalated drone strikes and spied on the media. Gitmo is still open for its grim business.

These are facts. And yet, they are distorted by extreme and narrow-minded partisans, supporters of both Bush and Obama.

Conservatives contend that Bush single-handedly prevented a major terrorist strike after Sept. 11, 2001. They demagogue efforts to shift the pendulum back toward civil liberties. Last week, when Obama finally proposed a modest reassessment of the Bush doctrine, Sen. Saxby Chambliss claimed that the efforts "will be viewed by terrorists as a victory."

Liberals hypocritically gave Obama a pass for furthering the same policies they condemned in 2008.....

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: asspressgate; bush; gitmo; guantanamo; irs; obama; palin; terrorism
Guess yet? Hint: She's from Alaska.
1 posted on 05/28/2013 3:01:59 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Conservatives contend that Bush single-handedly prevented a major terrorist strike after Sept. 11, 2001."

Conservatives or republicans?

2 posted on 05/28/2013 3:14:55 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: muir_redwoods

Liberals aways conflate the two.


3 posted on 05/28/2013 3:19:18 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gitmo conducts a “grim business”? Maybe the author would prefer that GTMO’s inmates take their truly “grim business” to the USA’s streets, like what happened in Boston recently thanks to their ideological brethren.


4 posted on 05/28/2013 3:20:53 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was much more worried about the one from Chicago via Arkansas and New Haven.


5 posted on 05/28/2013 3:23:44 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: Olog-hai

He almost assuredly has armed guards protecting him at work, play and at his gated community or condo residence. Little to worry about for him.


6 posted on 05/28/2013 3:27:24 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Alaska, huh ? Yeah, Lisa Murkowski would be pretty execrable. What do you expect with liberal Democrats ?


7 posted on 05/28/2013 3:27:26 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Heh. I was thinking of Hillary. Instead of just being the head of State - she can be head of the military and leave entire Divisions out to die.

And instead of a few files in her closet and on her coffee table, she will have the entire IRS data-bases to work with.

I would hate to see the number of folks to be Arkancided (sp?!) if she got in.


8 posted on 05/28/2013 3:28:32 AM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is good to see him preaching to the choir. Sarah would be such a good president. Geez,her administration would actually follow laws.


9 posted on 05/28/2013 3:28:47 AM PDT by libbylu
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To: Olog-hai

God. In a rational country, those bastards at Gitmo would have been tried be a Military court and executed a decade ago it would be a moot point. They were all captured in the field, engaged at war against the US as illegal combatants.


10 posted on 05/28/2013 3:37:34 AM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Name a single person, Republican OR conservative, who makes such a claim. I very much doubt such a person exists. Certainly Bush never made any such claim.

The implication here is that Bush (or Obama) have NOT prevented major terrorist strikes.

I guess everybody has forgotten 9/12. At the time, we all assumed there would be at least several equivalent attacks per year. Yet here we are almost 12 years later, and the death toll from Islamist attacks (depending on how you define them) is still under 100.

Given there are at minimum several tens of millions of Islamists in the world who want to kill Americans, and some of them control a lot of resources, I think that a pretty damn good record.


11 posted on 05/28/2013 3:44:17 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
2008 Obama made nice campaign promises to appease edgy voters....

<><>to curb drone strikes,
<><> to protect media freedoms,
<><> to close Guantanamo).

Instead, Obama escalated drone strikes, spied on the media, hung the treason label on Fox's James Rosen, and Gitmo is still open for business...

CONCLUSION He's weird. Guy needs to be committed---he is seriously deranged.....does the opposite of everything he says.

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BACKSTORY---FOCUS-GROUP TESTED RESPONSES ONLY on the campaign trail 2008 Ohaha was on a tight leash. He was rigorously coached, saying only cute things that would keep we, the people, in abeyance. He even said he wanted to be "another Reagan." (waiting for hysterical laughter to die down).

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The belatedly-alert media must NOW ask the questions they should have asked THEN---when Ohaha first surfaced as a candidate.

NUMBER ONE Who is this guy in the White House?

Remember that O's 2008 PR person----Anita "Mao" Dunn--- said AFTER the election that the O Team "allowed" the media to know only what THEY wanted them to know.

Ohaha was tightly scripted saying only cute things that would get him elected----revealing none of his anti-America hatred. The Chi/mob Dunn/Axelrod/Enmanuel/Jarrett allowed NO probing questions and up-close interviews. Hillary and Bill had ominous pics of Obama in Muslim garb--but Teddy Kennedy warned them not to use them.

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THIS WE KNOW The Obamanations are a tight-knit clique of socialists/communists/unions/progs/liberals----they see themselves as superior---bound together by "enlightened" values — reason, tolerance, diversity and equality. The rest of us are unworthy and are to be suppressed and marginalized.......using any means possible. Obamatoids dump on Bush and blames all of O's screw-ups on "evil Repubs").

TO DATE The Ohaha savages duped the citizenry, led us over a multi-trillion dollar deficit cliff, into massive corrupt bailouts, and atrocities like amnesty and Obamacare. Their motto: "Everything For Us-- Nothing For You."

In the wake of Benghazi, media abuses, IRS targeting, etc, we are reminded that the Obamanoids are ruthless predators w/ no empathy for others and no remorse; anti-social psychopaths who recognize no moral boundaries--aggressively going after what they want, irregardless of the consequences to others.

12 posted on 05/28/2013 3:54:47 AM PDT by Liz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If America is doomed... it is dweeb leftards like this vagina-man that will have caused her demise. These are no longer my countrymen... they have joined all of our enemies and fight against their own sustenance.

LLS


13 posted on 05/28/2013 4:06:51 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
George W. Bush in 2001 declared war on a tactic (terrorism), and empowered Big Brother to tap phones, launch drones and indefinitely imprison people without due process.

There is so much crap in this first sentence, that it would be hard to give the rest of the article any credibility.

Terrorism isn't a "tactic". It is war that is conducted by proxies. Welcome to the 21st century. Obama's weird attempts to brush the term "terrorist" under the rug has lead to some horrible injustices: the Ft. Hood terrorist has been given full pay during imprisonment, the Benghazi attacks have lead to cover-ups, and anti-semitic murderers were not aggressively persued...leading to the Boston marathon bombings.

Bush had phones tapped when calls were made to foreign numbers associated with AlQeada. While I don't necessarily approve of warrantless phone tapping, it was a lot more narrowly applied than what the author portrays. And this cannot possibly equate to the gross misuse of a government agency (the IRS) to punish political opponents.

Launch drones. The technology during the Bush administration limited drones to recon. And Bush never even proposed to employ military drones on domestic soil. The use of armed drones only started at the very end of Bush's term. Obama, OTOH, has made full use of them, and has resulted in American deaths.

"...indefinitely imprison people without due process" Due process is a right reserved for US citizens, not enemy combatants. Clearly there is value to retaining these dangerous people for the information that they can provide.

I am guessing that the author doesn't explore some of the major abuses by the Obama administration:

Did Bush run guns into Mexico in an attempt to attack the Constitution?

Did Bush violate the War Powers act, like Obama did in Libya?

Did Bush take over a major corporation, steal money from bondholders and hand the company over to his union supporters, like Obama did with GM?

14 posted on 05/28/2013 4:11:51 AM PDT by kidd
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To: kidd

bttt


15 posted on 05/28/2013 4:21:19 AM PDT by petercooper
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To: Sherman Logan

Can you imagine the plans the terrorists have for this 9/12 following their success in Benghazi last year?


16 posted on 05/28/2013 4:43:17 AM PDT by taterjay
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Democrats go ballistic at the mere mention of Sarah Palin. What’s odd is that I don’t consider her a major threat for Democrats. I think Sen Ted Cruz is a more effective weapon for the GOP.


17 posted on 05/28/2013 4:55:07 AM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They know she has a better than even money chance of being the next pres if she runs. They are just starting early..


18 posted on 05/28/2013 5:01:48 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Skip impeachment and move straight to deportation..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t see anybody on the horizon with more hate for America than Obama has.

see my tag line...


19 posted on 05/28/2013 5:04:23 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Sherman Logan
I guess everybody has forgotten 9/12. At the time, we all assumed there would be at least several equivalent attacks per year. Yet here we are almost 12 years later, and the death toll from Islamist attacks (depending on how you define them) is still under 100.

And anyone who feels otherwise about 9/12, keep in mind that I'm in NYC and I remember the feeling when that Airbus went down in the Rockaways just a few weeks later. The general feeling was "Oh, no. Not again."

20 posted on 05/28/2013 5:08:38 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“...a true demagogue or reactionary.”

He throws those terms out as pertaining to Palin and doesn’t back them up. Is that not what a demagogue does?


21 posted on 05/28/2013 5:15:21 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Give Ron Fournier some credit. He cracked a window and the smoke in his office has cleared enough for him to begin to see the hazy outline of what many of us understood clearly 11 years ago: the powers that Bush assumed after 9/11 (Patriot Act / DHS) could and would be readily abused by a future president with no scruples, no limits to his power and no fear of reprisal. Of course Ron still can't see that the president he fears is already in office but he's at least headed in the right direction.
22 posted on 05/28/2013 5:18:28 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Someone thinks that it is possible to have a worse President for America than one that has spent his whole terms trying to destroy America? While it is possible that one (Ms Clinton) could be worse in different ways, America being destroyed is America being destroyed no matter which one is doing it.


23 posted on 05/28/2013 5:20:58 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: kidd
Bush had phones tapped when calls were made to foreign numbers associated with AlQeada.

If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you. The DHS, TSA, Patriot Act, NDAA, warrantless wiretapping, Fusion centers, militarization and federalization of local police, etc., etc., was always meant to go after the American people. It was never for Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda works for US/NATO. The American taxpayer is arming and financing Al Qaeda to kill Christians in Syria right now. The taxpayer has been arming and financing Al Qaeda since the late 70's. They attacked the Russians, the Serbians, the Iraqis, the Libyans all at the behest of US/NATO. Then Uncle Scam waves around the Al Qaeda boogieman to trick rube Americans into giving up their precious liberties in return for false security. Pretty simple really.

24 posted on 05/28/2013 5:25:33 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: LibLieSlayer

my feelings precisely.


25 posted on 05/28/2013 5:29:13 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Sherman Logan
Name a single person, Republican OR conservative, who makes such a claim. I very much doubt such a person exists

I see it regularly here, die-hard Bushbots complaining to critics that "he kept us safe so leave him alone."

26 posted on 05/28/2013 5:32:54 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

They claim Bush did this “single-handedly?”

I very much doubt that.


27 posted on 05/28/2013 5:35:49 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
Al Qaeda works for US/NATO

That's just embarassing. I wish you nut jobs would stay off of this board.

28 posted on 05/28/2013 5:37:48 AM PDT by kidd
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ah, they’re still scared to death of her.


29 posted on 05/28/2013 5:44:37 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t have to read an article by Ron Fornicator to know that it’s BS.


30 posted on 05/28/2013 6:00:21 AM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: petercooper

PIFFLE.

Lousy Article.


31 posted on 05/28/2013 6:03:02 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberal: A person who charges their grandchildren for today's party)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

” - - - - Liberals hypocritically gave Obama a pass for furthering the same policies they condemned in 2008..... “

Yup. Liberals are incapable of Rational Thought.


32 posted on 05/28/2013 6:28:25 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Rich21IE

It is the only thing that a sane person can think.

LLS


33 posted on 05/28/2013 6:43:33 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s a LIEbertarian. As if conservatives support the Rino/Dino elitist abuse of the constitution!

Libertarian leaders support the strong arm of top down social Marxism so they have more common ground with the lying and intolerant Dinos and Rinos than with the constitution.


34 posted on 05/28/2013 8:58:44 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Sherman Logan

There were plots exposed and thwarted for attacks on LAX, the Brooklyn Bridge, Heathrow Airport, and others. Those we know about.

I wouldn’t say that Bush personally prevented them although the policies in place helped them to be averted.

Meanwhile the Ft. Hood massacre and the Boston Marathon massacre were BOTH preventable terrorist strikes on US soil. WE KNEW and let the Islamonazis walk (one was permitted to hold his officer rank within the US military).

Add to that the Fruit of the Loom bomber over Detroit and other attacks that were thwarted by civilians and the 9-11-2012 attack in Libya and things do not look good on Obama’s watch.


35 posted on 05/28/2013 3:54:14 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Annoying column. He's trying to bring both sides together but can only do that by singling somebody else out as worse. Pandering to everybody doesn't please anybody, and those "outsiders" who might be "more extreme" than Bush or Obama might actually be less extreme and less dangerous in some areas. Buchanan or Palin or Nader might be an awful president, but would they really be more likely to abuse the office that the presidents we do elect?

The best comment on Yahoo:

"What if there is a president in your lifetime who is more conservative than Bush? "

Uhhh yeah his name is Ronald Reagan.

Significant fact: Going through hundreds of comments, most of which say that nobody could be worse than Obama, nobody puts in a word for Palin.

36 posted on 05/28/2013 4:06:06 PM PDT by x
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t Ron Fournier just another poofer?


37 posted on 05/28/2013 4:07:18 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The Republican Party is dead. Let's not pretend otherwise.)
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