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Lawsuit Says 77-Year-Old Veteran Died After Police Tased Him
http://www.flatheadbeacon.com ^ | 05-01-13 | By Myers Reece

Posted on 05/29/2013 10:38:48 AM PDT by redreno

After wandering away from the Montana Veterans’ Home in Columbia Falls last June, a 77-year-old Korean War veteran suffering from severe Alzheimer’s disease was tased by police, fell face-first to the pavement where he struck his head and died later due to injuries from the fall, according to a lawsuit filed last month by a family member representing his estate.

Tamara Downen of Columbia Falls filed the lawsuit on April 5 in Helena’s Lewis and Clark County District Court, claiming that her grandfather, Stanley Downen, died as a result of negligence by the Montana Veterans’ Home, Columbia Falls Police Department and Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services.

The lawsuit states that on May 31, 2012, Stanley Downen was admitted as a resident to the veterans’ home, described as a “nursing facility that includes a 15-bed Alzheimer’s unit.” Downen had a “history of behavioral issues and advanced dementia resulting from severe progressive Alzheimer’s disease.”

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1 posted on 05/29/2013 10:38:48 AM PDT by redreno
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To: redreno

Sad....and disgraceful.


2 posted on 05/29/2013 10:42:57 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: redreno

Stop using tasers for compliance. That is not why they were designed. They replace deadly force; that’s it.


4 posted on 05/29/2013 10:46:05 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: rarestia

My son was just telling me that Ft. Worth shot a 72 yr man in his garage that had heard his neighbor’s alarm go off, grabbed his pistol, going to help his neighbor. Cops shot him and never went to the right house. Nice neighborhood too.


5 posted on 05/29/2013 10:48:40 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: redreno
Civilians ain't really people.
6 posted on 05/29/2013 10:54:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the deviants who are the bullies.)
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To: redreno

Not all LEO’s are there to “Serve and Protect”..
Some just want a badge to slake their control issues..
Oh!.. and a snappy uniform.. as a mask..

Sometimes “they” are in charge..


7 posted on 05/29/2013 10:54:56 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: redreno

What kind of pig would tase an Alzheimer’s victim?


8 posted on 05/29/2013 10:55:01 AM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: Rusty0604
It's on Drudge: Police Shoot & Kill Grandfather While Responding To Burglary Call

THE MAN WAS SHOT ON HIS OWN PROPERTY!

9 posted on 05/29/2013 10:56:25 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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10 posted on 05/29/2013 10:57:58 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: redreno
FTA

With Downen resisting efforts to direct him back to the home, the suit asserts, staff members called 911 to request police assistance. Officers made verbal attempts to persuade Downen to move to a grassy area, but when he refused to cooperate they tased him, according to the family’s complaint.

So the LEOs KNEW he was an Alzheimer's patient and STILL tased him! Niiiice.

11 posted on 05/29/2013 10:59:41 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: redreno

Keystone Kops strike again.

Who on Earth are they hiring these days????


12 posted on 05/29/2013 11:01:00 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: redreno

“He served in the U.S. Navy during the Korean War and received a National Defense Service medal in honor of serving his country.”

With thanks from a grateful nation.

The cops who did this should be executed.


13 posted on 05/29/2013 11:02:11 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/))
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To: redreno

I agree this should not have happened and that the police over-reacted. But if this guy has a history of acting violent (which some Alzheimers patients do), I can understand how this could happen. Its not the job of the police to accept getting hit or being subjected to the physical outbursts of a violent person, even if that person has Alzheimers. So some overreaction is acceptable to avoid having police get hurt. But if this old man wasn’t hurting anyone and was standing in a field, I suspect there could have been other ways to deal with this. This wasn’t just a little overreaction, it was extreme overreaction.


14 posted on 05/29/2013 11:02:53 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Jack Hammer

Police standards have dropped significantly over the last 2 decades. Used to you would even get a call back if you had used any drugs, now they overlook misdemeanor amounts and other things as well.


15 posted on 05/29/2013 11:03:08 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: redreno

That’s murder. So when is the guilty officer going to be arrested?

He wouldn’t obey, so they tazed him.

The reality here is that the police have only two modes of action: boredom or attack. Nothing in between. Nothing in their little minds that says “hey, this is an old guy obviously confused. He’s no threat to us”

If this angers you, good. That was my intention.


16 posted on 05/29/2013 11:06:51 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: I want the USA back

Yes, the Columbine Response. Idiotic procedure instead of common sense. I have yet to see anyone being held accountable. Never call the police.


17 posted on 05/29/2013 11:17:06 AM PDT by Cowgirl
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Exactly how much damage is a 77 year old unarmed Alzheimer patient going to inflict?? There was no excuse for this, imo.


18 posted on 05/29/2013 11:20:11 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: I want the USA back
That’s murder.

Yes, if it is also murder if a big hulk of a guy hopped up on drugs dies as the result of being tased. But based on what I typically see posted on FR (not saying it is posted by you), there's a double standard on that issue.

Alzheimer's patients can get pretty violent. Don't know if this guy was or not, but there's a lot of other things we don't know as well.

19 posted on 05/29/2013 11:20:23 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: I want the USA back

I remember a story a few yrs back of an older woman tazed because her caregiver was having a hard time giving her insulin as she was going into diabetic shock. The cops knew what was going on but tazed her anyway, sending her to hospital. I don’t remember if she survived the attack.


20 posted on 05/29/2013 11:21:07 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Roccus

I’d call that manslaughter. The man with the taser needs to do time.


21 posted on 05/29/2013 11:22:08 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
If the cops are afraid of the level of injury a 77 year old man *might* possibly inflict upon them, they should find a nice, safe job, not one where they have to face the occasional danger.

Candy striper, gift wrapper, "would you like fries with that?", or my personal favourite for the cowardly in uniform:


22 posted on 05/29/2013 11:26:52 AM PDT by Don W (There is no gun problem, there is a lack of humanity problem!)
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To: andyk

Too late. The motto for police has changed from “To Protect And Serve” to “To Tase Until Compliant”.


23 posted on 05/29/2013 11:36:14 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

“Its not the job of the police to accept getting hit or being subjected to the physical outbursts of a violent person”

Yes, it sure as phuck is. If someone is slinging fists they are supposed to respond accordingly, not murder 77-year-old men.

That’s just one more reason that women should never be allowed to play-pretend at police officer.


24 posted on 05/29/2013 11:37:33 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: rarestia

“THE MAN WAS SHOT ON HIS OWN PROPERTY!”

Betcha a hunnerd bucks it was a woman who shot him.


25 posted on 05/29/2013 11:39:48 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: MEGoody
Alzheimer's patients can get pretty violent. Don't know if this guy was or not, but there's a lot of other things we don't know as well.

He was 77 years old!!! How much of a physical threat could he pose to couple of cops?

PS....I spent several years as a primary caregiver

26 posted on 05/29/2013 11:47:01 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Cowgirl
Never call the police.

I agree with you. Get the right tools and learn to take care of you and yours. Calling the police these days, is a bad idea.
27 posted on 05/29/2013 11:51:01 AM PDT by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
So some overreaction is acceptable to avoid having police get hurt.

Maybe they just shouldn't hire little sissy boys, and hire real men instead, who aren't too worried about getting a scratch.
28 posted on 05/29/2013 11:55:39 AM PDT by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: redreno

The police also shot a guy responding to his neighbor’s burglar alarm (on drudge report.) The police are tazer and trigger happy. I don’t want to call them for any reason. Their new culture of “everyone’s a terrorist” is murdering innocent people. Thank u, Big Sis and all the lesbian police chiefs all over the country for following her lead.


29 posted on 05/29/2013 11:55:39 AM PDT by floriduh voter (I left cable and don't miss its nothingness. ROKU is awesome.)
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To: rarestia

This is getting ridiculous. Pls see my last post. NEW POLICE DIRECTIVE: Everyone is a Terrorist.


30 posted on 05/29/2013 11:56:25 AM PDT by floriduh voter (I left cable and don't miss its nothingness. ROKU is awesome.)
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To: redreno

The new Gestapo, America’s police departments. They do these things because no one holds them accountable.


31 posted on 05/29/2013 11:57:49 AM PDT by By and By (Dime Store New Dealers are Milquetoast and Liberal)
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To: Boogieman
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32 posted on 05/29/2013 11:58:06 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Cowgirl
Never call the police.

Good Friday, 2001 I had to call an ambulance to help get Mom to the hospital.... Alzheimer's. She was refusing to take medication and getting increasingly aggitated and was going to hurt herself. (She broke her hand before they got there, but it didn't slow her down any) Cops came too. Evidently they had to accompany the EMTs on "disturbed person" calls.

33 posted on 05/29/2013 11:58:14 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: ZX12R

Calling the police these days, is a bad idea.
Especially if you have dogs....

Cops quit being your friend about the time the Hippies nicknamed em pigs and wasted no time in earning the tag.


34 posted on 05/29/2013 11:58:25 AM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: dsc

Unfortunately, I have been to people who died after being tazed over the years. It was not the tazer that was the primary cause of death nor injuries from the fall. The deaths were the result of being handcuffed and left face down in a way that restricted the person’s airway.


35 posted on 05/29/2013 12:00:36 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: ZX12R

They asked him to go to the grass area, because they fully intended to taser him more safely, IMHO.


36 posted on 05/29/2013 12:08:34 PM PDT by quickquiver (No, means N O.)
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To: quickquiver
Nah...take-down and pain compliance practice.
37 posted on 05/29/2013 12:10:41 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: hosepipe

So how do us normal people join Internal Affairs and help get rid of these dregs?


38 posted on 05/29/2013 12:20:29 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: redreno

LEOs should stick to their real job:

Revenuers.


39 posted on 05/29/2013 12:29:40 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: rarestia
I disagree with the comments on that thread. The police did as they were trained. /sarc


40 posted on 05/29/2013 12:33:49 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: andyk
"Stop using tasers for compliance. That is not why they were designed. They replace deadly force; that’s it."

What's so difficult about dealing with a 77 year old Alzheimer's patient? If a Cop can't deal with a 77 year old unarmed man, they should be booted off the force immediately.

I hope the police lose this lawsuit big-time so it sends a clear message. Yes, it'll hurt the taxpayers, but it's better sooner rather then later before the cops tase their grandpa to death...

41 posted on 05/29/2013 12:34:03 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see)
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To: Jack Hammer

Who they are hiring are a bunch of kids from GDE level education who’ve been in the military. The very same we stupidly call “heroes”, when all they’ve done is join an increasingly mendacious military service branch.

These kids are the breading ground for Rambo wannabees who wear aviator sunglasses and shoot our dogs. The USA, after defeating two mighty foes in 3.5 years in the forties, cannot call itself a military superpower in the first decade of the 21st century while dithering our resources in Afganastan and Iraq for the past 10 years. We’ve bred these high tech warriors to do exactly what they’re doing...dropping out of high school, joining the military, being trained to kill with extreme prejudice, not allowing them to fight legitimate wars, and then hiring them in disproportionate numbers into local law enforcement organizations, where they trample on the rights of the public that they are sworn to serve, but have no knowledge of the rights that the public has.

“Thank you for serving your country”, my ass.


42 posted on 05/29/2013 12:35:08 PM PDT by Carl from Marietta
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
"Its not the job of the police to accept getting hit or being subjected to the physical outbursts of a violent person, even if that person has Alzheimers."

The HELL IT's not! It IS their job to use appropriate measures to protect the public. If they can't handle a 77 year old patient, they need to find another job. How do you think health care workers handle these situations? They don't tase old people. This paramilitary crap needs to end.

43 posted on 05/29/2013 12:38:32 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
So some overreaction is acceptable to avoid having police get hurt.

No it isn't. There is no situation in which overreaction by the police is acceptable. Overreaction results from panic (or possibly evil). Panic is a sign of either poor training or cowardice.

44 posted on 05/29/2013 12:38:54 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; repeal the 16th)
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To: Carl from Marietta
"Who they are hiring are a bunch of kids from GDE level education who’ve been in the military."

I attended a police academy and did some patrolling as a reserve during the '90s. Saw the insides of several departments in various cities then. They weren't like police departments of the past. They didn't like veterans at all. The few who were hired were treated poorly (gossip, etc.). Not long ago, a neighbor cop, after hearing about my little bit of National Guard combat specialty service, asked me if I was like "Tim McVeigh."

It's highly doubtful that most police departments favor veterans any more--especially enlisted, non-officer veterans from combat specialties. [Whole lot of vanity and political correctness going around.] In the "us vs. them" games of politics today, veterans are one of the subgroups of "them."


45 posted on 05/29/2013 12:43:44 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Carl from Marietta

Most police departments also require a bachelor’s degree, preferably in a related field (e.g., criminal justice). But I’m sure they’d be fine with a degree in women’s studies, social work or psychology.


46 posted on 05/29/2013 12:45:54 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: fireman15

“The deaths were the result of being handcuffed and left face down in a way that restricted the person’s airway.”

We’ve known about that problem for a long time now. You’d think the cops would catch on.


47 posted on 05/29/2013 12:54:58 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: familyop

The vast majority of new hire policemen are from the military.

This is just a fact. It wasn’t always that way as most returning veterans were drafted and wanted to get on with their lives as they envisioned them prior to being called up. We’ve turned a dangerous corner lately though, and recently returned veterans who’ve been discharged find their friendly local police organization the best place for a job.

The problem is that the police have become a quasi military organization, including the titular nomenclature.

I built a police academy in south Georgia and I am certain of what I am saying. Just north of Brunswick GA is the FLETCH of which I was the architect and general contractor.

LEO’s hire ex military in far disproportionate numbers as they are the easiest to train for the current purposes.

Can you even imagine the LEO’s doing a face down take down on the 50s, what’s going on is preposterous, and there’s no excuse. Give me another Irish immigration, where patrolman O’Malley gave us the hand on the shoulder.


48 posted on 05/29/2013 12:56:19 PM PDT by Carl from Marietta
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To: dsc
I think that they receive training but that it does not necessarily alter their behavior.
49 posted on 05/29/2013 1:03:39 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Carl from Marietta

I’m sorry but my wife just added that they are all shaved headed, Darth Vader dressed, Nazi pinheads.

She’s damed accurate.


50 posted on 05/29/2013 1:06:36 PM PDT by Carl from Marietta
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