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The U.S. Helps Reconstruct the Ottoman Empire
Gatestone Institute ^ | May 29, 2013 | Robert E. Kaplan

Posted on 05/29/2013 9:31:33 PM PDT by george76

Each of these United States military interventions occurred in an area that had been part of the Ottoman Empire, and where a secular regime was replaced by an Islamist one. So far, the German policy of keeping hidden its leadership role in its attempt to reconstitute the Ottoman Empire has succeeded.

Since the mid-1990s the United States has intervened militarily in several internal armed conflicts in Europe and the Middle East: bombing Serbs and Serbia in support of Izetbegovic's Moslem Regime in Bosnia in 1995, bombing Serbs and Serbia in support of KLA Moslems of Kosovo in 1999, bombing Libya's Gaddafi regime in support of rebels in 2010. Each intervention was justified to Americans as motivated by humanitarian concerns: to protect Bosnian Moslems from genocidal Serbs, to protect Kosovo Moslems from genocidal Serbs, and to protect Libyans from their murderous dictator Muammar Gaddafi.

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Why the government of the United States would actively promote German aims -- the destruction of Yugoslavia (both World Wars I and II saw Germany invade Serbia) and the re-creation of the Ottoman Empire -- is a question that needs to be answered.

(Excerpt) Read more at gatestoneinstitute.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: caliphate; obamacaliphate; obamaforeignpolicy; ottoman; ottomanempire

1 posted on 05/29/2013 9:31:33 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Bammy strongly desires a new Caliphate, including the US, if possible.


2 posted on 05/29/2013 9:35:21 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: george76

Bookmark for later read.


3 posted on 05/29/2013 9:35:22 PM PDT by ConfidentConservative (If my people shall humble themselves and pray,I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.)
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To: george76

“Ottoman Empire? A whole empire based on putting your feet up.” - Seinfeld.


4 posted on 05/29/2013 9:37:20 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: george76
Come to think of it, that is what is happening, whether by design or mistake.
5 posted on 05/29/2013 9:38:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: george76

very interesting- thanx for posting


6 posted on 05/29/2013 9:39:28 PM PDT by homegroan (Never make someone a priority when all you are to them is an option....)
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To: george76

‘Intersting!’


7 posted on 05/29/2013 9:41:58 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: george76

The British and French missed the opportunity to re-establish the Byzantine Empire after WWI.


8 posted on 05/29/2013 9:42:13 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Paladin2

The Turks might bring order to the area—Let them handle the Islamic radicals—and they will do it in painful ways! they could dominate and master the radicals and form a new/old empire that could protect our interests and do it in a way we will not need to.


9 posted on 05/29/2013 9:44:23 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: george76

he wants to build a new Islamicist Caliphate, only this time including all of Europe and the USA and as much of the rest of the world (see Africa, Asia) as possible


10 posted on 05/29/2013 9:44:37 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

The Turk gov’t is essentially the same as the Muzzie Bros.


11 posted on 05/29/2013 9:45:35 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: george76

“Are you Circassian?”

“Yes, Effendi.”

http://movie-sounds.org/adventure-movie-sounds/lawrence-of-arabia-1962/are-you-circassian-yes-effendi


12 posted on 05/29/2013 9:45:43 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: george76

Well, the Ottoman Empire had no tolerance for Salafis. The first Saudi state was crushed for its Wahabbi beliefs and rebelliousness.

Few Islamists actually praise the Ottomans, mainly because they weren’t pious enough in their eyes.

Any Neo-Ottoman state is going to be a lot uglier than the old one.


13 posted on 05/29/2013 9:49:41 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: george76

Maybe it’s that global govt thing. There’s the EU, there will be the Americas, The Otters so on...

Thing is, the muzzies won’t play nice even after supposedly having what they want. They want the world and they are a determined bunch.


14 posted on 05/29/2013 9:52:38 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: george76

nice question and data behind it, but still no answers...


15 posted on 05/29/2013 10:11:34 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: george76

Seems obvious enough that Obunga has some sort of an ulterior motive and that the welfare of the United States is not involved in whatever that might be. Not totally clear that reconstructing the Ottoman empire is the goal...


16 posted on 05/29/2013 10:22:24 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: george76

Save


17 posted on 05/29/2013 10:29:16 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: george76
how about this?
18 posted on 05/29/2013 10:30:18 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

They won’t.

Ataturk is long gone. Islam reigns.


19 posted on 05/29/2013 11:02:20 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: george76

bump for further investigation


20 posted on 05/30/2013 12:44:52 AM PDT by plsjr (<>< Mankind "knows" by trial and error; Only the CREATOR really knows his creation.)
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To: george76

"Our goal is the imposition of an Islamic Caliphate
to increase crucifixion, slavery, rape, and murder of non-Moslems.
If you don't approve, you will be audited and Deathpaneled."

21 posted on 05/30/2013 3:18:58 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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"The British and French missed the opportunity to re-establish the Byzantine Empire after WWI"

Following the general outline of Sykes-Picot, they created an unholy mess that impacts the entire area to this day.

You cannot cut up the Middle east by drawing on a cocktail napkin.

22 posted on 05/30/2013 4:54:20 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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23 posted on 05/30/2013 5:47:44 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: PGR88; All

Too bad the Catholic Church didn’t help the Byzantine Empire before the empire crumbled.. Or maybe the Catholic Church should not have invaded the empire during the second crusade.


24 posted on 05/30/2013 9:04:12 AM PDT by KevinDavis (The Bill of Rights is a suicide pact.)
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25 posted on 05/30/2013 9:18:46 AM PDT by bayouranger (How do you coexist with a neighbor who has the ethical choice of jihad of murder and deceit? -Dr.B.W)
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To: george76

Thanks to Dr. Kaplan for clarifying the bizzare foreign policy that the current administration has pursued. Now it’s crystal clear that the president wants to destroy this country.


26 posted on 05/30/2013 9:56:00 AM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: george76

“So far, the German policy of keeping hidden its leadership role in its attempt to reconstitute the Ottoman Empire has succeeded.”

correlation is not causation

“Germany” was not BEHIND

(a) U.S. intervention in Iraq,

(b) the rise of the Islamist party now dominating Turkey,

(c) Syrian reaching out to Iran as a counter to Wahabi-Sunni-Saudi & Gulfstate-Arab Sunni opposition to Assad.

2013 is not the 12th through 14th centuries.

Someone is spinning a lot of different “Ottoman empire” myths in a distraction from what is really happening in the Middle East.


27 posted on 05/30/2013 10:57:36 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not by mistake, to be sure.


28 posted on 06/01/2013 4:30:00 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Wuli

You seem confident in that assertion. Got any proof?


29 posted on 06/01/2013 4:31:04 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

It’s Robert Kaplan that has no proof.

He has a lot of innuendo, a lot of supposition, a lot of use of correlation, even though correlation is not causation, and his worst error in his thinking is that international relationships remain as they were in the era of the Ottoman Empire, as if all the history since then never happened.

“one learns that the ICC is a project initiated, promoted and, to a considerable extent, funded by Germany.”

No. The ICC was initiated, promoted and is funded by many nations in Europe, and Germany was not even among the first among them. Yes, Germany does support the ICC and so do many other nations particularly in Europe. It was not a “German” project. Germany obtained other states agreement in the final treaty, in terms of the shape of the court and the mandate it would take upon itself. But, the idea of the court and the general sense in Europe that there ought to be such a court at all, was not a “German” project, and as I said began in Europe without Germany.

Am I promotiong or in favor of promoting the ICC? No. I am totally against it. That has nothing to do with its origins or who has been behind it. Lots of people have, and not just Germany.

“which reports that the German government supports the rebels and their political arm, the Syrian National Council (SNC), against Assad; that the German government classified [made secret] “by reason of national interest” the contents of several BND (German foreign intelligence) reports that the May 25, 2012 massacre of civilians in the Syrian town of Houla, for which Assad has been blamed, was in fact perpetrated by rebel forces; and that “the German foreign office is working with representatives of the Syrian opposition to develop ‘concrete plans’ for a ‘political transition’ in Syria after the fall of Assad.”

Guess what; GWBush initiated the covert plan to promote and fund a domestic “opposition” movement in Syria starting more than a decade ago and it continued with Obama. We, some NATO members, the Gulf States and the Saudis have been behind it all along. It did not come from Germany and some NATO members and the U.S., and others, started to build the “Syrian opposition” before the Arab Spring began. It was not a “German” project, it was a “multinational” project.

Correlation is not causation, innuendo and supposition is not proof, 12th to 14th century context is not 2013 context; no matter what innuendo Mr Kaplan wants to make.


30 posted on 06/01/2013 7:44:53 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

So you have no proof of your position, then.


31 posted on 06/01/2013 11:01:42 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

My position is that the position that things in the Middle East are reflecting a (a) rebirth of the Ottoman Empire and (b) that possibly Germany is encouraging that is a perspective that has no proof, it is mere speculation without evidence. You can point to speculative opinions all you want, they are not proof of anything.


32 posted on 06/02/2013 1:55:03 PM PDT by Wuli
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