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Military Veteran’s AR-15 Confiscated by Police – But the Reason Why Is the Real Story
The Blaze ^ | May. 29, 2013 7:03pm | Jason Howerton

Posted on 05/30/2013 7:04:35 AM PDT by Texas Fossil

An Oregon man has had rifle confiscated and is facing criminal charges after he attempted to stop a wanted felon from breaking into his home by firing a warning shot.

Police in Medford, Ore., say the incident occurred at around 11:30 p.m. on Sunday. Officers responded to an apartment complex in the area after receiving a disturbance call. During their investigation, cops heard a gun shot and a man running away toward the complex’s parking lot.

Authorities say 40-year-old Jonathon Kinsella, a wanted felon, was attempting to flee the scene when he was arrested on outstanding warrants, including for burglary and assault.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: banglist; burglary; confiscated; democrats; gun; guncontrol; guns; medford; oregon; rapeofliberty; secondamendment; vet; warningshot
NUTS!

Any excuse to confiscate.

Press charges? The warning shot might be a sane reason to question if he was reckless.

1 posted on 05/30/2013 7:04:35 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

My problem with the guy is firing a warning shot - in an apartment building(!).

For the sake of the other residents, I’d say the better option would have been to give a verbal warning - and then fire into the perps BODY, if he continued to advance, thus lessening the chance of of an innocent being hurt or killed.

My 2 cents...


2 posted on 05/30/2013 7:10:42 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Texas Fossil

But Joe Biden said that a warning shot was appropriate. /sarc.


3 posted on 05/30/2013 7:13:48 AM PDT by RC one
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To: Texas Fossil

NEVER fire a warning shot!

You either need to stop the threat or you don’t.


4 posted on 05/30/2013 7:15:15 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: jonno
I'm with you. Where did this round end up. I support the guy having the weapon, even cappin the intruder, but an apartment building doesn't provide the sort of shielding that might stop a .223 rnd from traveling into an adjacent unit. Unfortunate, but I'd say poor judgment on this guys part.
5 posted on 05/30/2013 7:16:53 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Texas Fossil

An AR-15 is a VERY poor weapon choice for Household/Apartment defense. A 12 Guage pump w/ 00 buck is a MUCH better choice. AND NEVER fire “warning” shots SHOOT TO KILL if you are FORCED to shoot. Remember “It is BETTER to be tried by 12 than carried by 6”!


6 posted on 05/30/2013 7:22:21 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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7 posted on 05/30/2013 7:22:43 AM PDT by RedMDer (You are Free Republic. There are no outside influences. Just us, all of us. Please donate today!)
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To: servantboy777
Used to live in an apartment building in Arlington Va that was very popular with State Department, and various intelligence agency people ~ ours and theirs ~ simply because the builder used steel lathe as a scaffolding for hand plastered walls.

No, wouldn't stop a round, but it'd slow it down a lot, and deflect it.

8 posted on 05/30/2013 7:23:43 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: G Larry

Another way of putting it is

either the threat is worthy of stopping
or it is not.


9 posted on 05/30/2013 7:23:47 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: jonno; All
re: apt building

Residence was an "apartment complex", from the article and looking at a picture. Perhaps they guy was on the ground floor:

"n but I was careful not to fire it at any body’s residence. It was at the ground specifically"

10 posted on 05/30/2013 7:25:43 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Texas Fossil

The cops will say that if you are only firing a warning shot you are not fearful of serious injury or death. He should have never admitted firing a warning shot.


11 posted on 05/30/2013 7:27:42 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Didn’t the shooter do exactly what the Vice President dictated should be done?


12 posted on 05/30/2013 7:31:38 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: servantboy777
223 is a good self defense weapon and penetrates less than some handgun or even some shotgun rounds. Search Youtube there are several good videos on various penetration scenarios. BTW the weapon of choice for me in that scenario would of been 12ga with bird shot. Very low wall penetration and very good perp stopping power.
13 posted on 05/30/2013 7:32:55 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Texas Fossil

I don’t agree with the practice of giving a warning shot (especially in an apartment!).

However, the tendency of the police to confiscate is rather concerning.

What excuses will they use to confiscate from Freepers?


14 posted on 05/30/2013 7:33:12 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: US Navy Vet; All
“An AR-15 is a VERY poor weapon choice for Household/Apartment defense. A 12 Guage pump w/ 00 buck is a MUCH better choice. “

I disagree. The AR15 is an excellent chooice for household defense, if you are going to use a long gun.

It has excellent intimidation value, holds plenty of ammunition, is far less likely to overpenetrate than buckshot if proper loads are selected, has less recoil and is much easier to shoot accurately.

The major problem with it is muzzle blast, which is one reason we need to remove the legal and financial barriers to effective suppressors.

15 posted on 05/30/2013 7:43:25 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Texas Fossil
"An Oregon man has had rifle confiscated and is facing criminal charges after he attempted to stop a wanted felon from breaking into his home by firing a warning shot."

Should've used a shotgun, then he could use the Biden Defense.

16 posted on 05/30/2013 7:48:37 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: US Navy Vet

An AR-15 is a VERY poor weapon choice for Household/Apartment defense. A 12 Guage pump w/ 00 buck is a MUCH better choice.


Actually, many are surprised to learn that a 00 ball (.32 caliber) will penetrate drywall quite intact, while a 223 round will typically fragment when it hits drywall.


17 posted on 05/30/2013 8:13:11 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: US Navy Vet

Exactly


18 posted on 05/30/2013 8:17:33 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: US Navy Vet
***An AR-15 is a VERY poor weapon choice for Household/Apartment defense.****

And yet, in 1934, there was an attempt to ban handguns in the US as many in Congress felt a RIFLE was a better defense weapon.

The NRA put the kebosh on that stupid idea.


19 posted on 05/30/2013 8:22:46 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Texas Fossil
Warning shots are a stupid plan! In most states you must believe you are in danger before you can shoot, and if you're really in danger you will aim at the S.O.B.

If you're into warning shots better tell them you tried but missed.

20 posted on 05/30/2013 8:24:19 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Texas Fossil

If you have an intruder, do all of this that time permits:

1. Dial 911, say there’s an intruder and you think he’s going to kill you, and that you are preparing to defend yourself. Set the phone down carefully. If you have a second phone, such as a cell phone, and you have a lawyer, call his number, and set the phone down. Doesn’t matter if you get voicemail; in fact, that’s kind of the idea.

2. If applicable, place the selector level on your locked and loaded weapon on “fire” as quietly as you can manage.

3. Use your familiarity with your home and any available light to get a good sight on your intruder. If you can remotely turn on lights in his location without revealing yourself, do it.

4. The first shot he hears should be the first and last thing he hears inside your house.

5. Keep firing until you run your weapon dry or the remains have stopped twitching/wheezing. Feel free to start screaming like a little girl watching “Aliens” for the first time for the benefit of the phones. Do NOT articulate words.

5a. Maintain situational awareness for the presence of second or third intruder(s).

6. When you have secured the area, to include “stashing uninvolved weapons” (in the event of totally illegal but entirely likely search and seizure) go to the front yard and stand under a light. As police arrive, raise your hands so they are visibly up and empty before they exit their cars.

7. Say nothing to the police except your name, “I was in fear for my life”, and “I want a lawyer”, until that lawyer tells you different.

7a. Requests for beverages are acceptable.


21 posted on 05/30/2013 8:25:43 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (It's been over 90 days; time to start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: Atlas Sneezed
An AR-15 is a VERY poor weapon choice for Household/Apartment defense. A 12 Guage pump w/ 00 buck is a MUCH better choice.

I agree about ANY rifle in a highly populated area (as an apartment building). i don't like the idea of buckshot either. When I was living in an apartment, my 12 gauge load was #6 or #8. Guaranteed to mess someone up at close range (really bad), but reportedly would not penetrate 2 boards of drywall (insulation notwithstanding). Even at a longer range, getting peppered by those BBs would be a deterrent that the perp would remember...

22 posted on 05/30/2013 8:27:08 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: US Navy Vet
The weapon I wish I could have.


23 posted on 05/30/2013 8:28:27 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: muawiyah

Steel building frame construction is very dangerous.

If the building catches fire, the steel framing collapses at temps that wouldn’t affect wood framing much for 15 - 20 minutes.


24 posted on 05/30/2013 8:29:33 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ExGeeEye

**** Feel free to start screaming like a little girl watching “Aliens” for the first time for the benefit of the phones. ****

You realize that when you fire your weapon you may damage the ears of the 911 0operator. ;-D

I believe it was Jeff Cooper who said that when the cops come, “BE SHOOK! BE VERY SHOOK!” When they leave, “Break out the champagne!”


25 posted on 05/30/2013 8:33:46 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: US Navy Vet

#4 shot will penetrate 6 layers of 5/8 rock no problem. keep that in mind. The best home defense weapon is the one you are most comfortable and familiar with. JMHO.


26 posted on 05/30/2013 8:35:41 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: US Navy Vet

NEVER pull a gun unless you intend to use it and once pulled... USE IT! Anyway... the price of ammo now precludes any wasteful warning shots.

LLS


27 posted on 05/30/2013 8:51:43 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Texas Fossil

If this had happened in Arizona, the police would have been puzzled.

“You fired a warning shot? What’s that?”

“Did your rifle misfire? Why only one shot?”

“Let me get this straight. You had a clear field of fire at someone committing a serious felony, and you decided to run them off instead of shooting them. Do you realize you would be indirectly responsible for any future crimes he might have committed, plus now the taxpayers are going to have to provide for this individual’s health and welfare for the next 20 years? Are you anti-social?”


28 posted on 05/30/2013 8:55:16 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Texas Fossil

I value my weapons a whole lot more than I value a criminal’s life. If it’s worth shooting at all at today’s ammo prices, it’s worth shooting center-mass at the predator who disturbed my routine. I’m not going to risk losing an AR-15 just to save some criminal’s life. Besides, my favorite firearms instructor taught me about warning shots, “always fire three warning shots - two in the heart, and one in the head”.


29 posted on 05/30/2013 9:20:19 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: jonno

an aimed shot into the dirt is also safe.


30 posted on 05/30/2013 11:12:01 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: US Navy Vet

I’m agreed, 00 buck will put any intruder down and have low penetration and range.


31 posted on 05/30/2013 11:12:56 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

I’d feel better about the guy if I knew he’d shot into the ground.

Of course there’s no guarantee theres not a big rock, or a chunk of concrete, etc. buried there.

I’m sticking with giving a verbal - and if necessary, making the first shot center-mass...


32 posted on 05/30/2013 11:19:11 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: jonno

I agree with you there too, I had read the story and the guy said he shot into the ground. As for myself, I’m with you, center of mass.


33 posted on 05/30/2013 11:24:11 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Texas Fossil
The police are saying that the Felon was running away when the gun was fired.
So now it's against the law to fire a warning shot? He should have shot the
Felon in the face to make sure the police knew the Felon was not fleeing
the scene of his crime.

Just, Good Grief.

34 posted on 05/30/2013 11:31:21 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Texas Fossil

The police confiscate, the prosecutor demands surrender of the firearm in exchage for dropping charges and a promise not to sue. iow blackmail.

if the citizen wins the police play stupid in order to win enough time declare forfeture and “destroy” the item. (really they just keep it for themselves)


35 posted on 05/30/2013 11:44:03 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: MaxMax

police training would have allowed the shot. The perp already demonstrated a risk of danger to the victim and the public at large.


36 posted on 05/30/2013 11:45:51 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: jonno

With an AR, there should have been three very quickly sent rounds in the bleeding perp when the cops arrived. If you can ‘place’ one center mass, send three.


37 posted on 05/30/2013 11:58:38 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: ExGeeEye

8.0 pee your britches for effect ~


38 posted on 05/30/2013 1:33:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: editor-surveyor

At the same time if you gotta’ shoot someone, and those ol’boys sometimes had the need, it’s best to not have any stray rounds zinging off into a neighbors apartment.


39 posted on 05/30/2013 1:35:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ExGeeEye

:)


40 posted on 05/31/2013 6:05:41 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Texas Fossil

Mr. Thompson was interviewed on Fox News this morning. He needs to move out of Leftist Oregon.

“Gallup identified four Western states as extremely liberal. With a progressive population of 26.4 percent, Washington State and Oregon are the most left-leaning states in the West.”

Corey Thompson, Oregon Iraq Afghan veteran, loses AR-15 and arrested for firing warning shot at intruder

AR-15 rifleassault weapons banCorey Thompsongun controlJohn KinsellaJonathon KinsellaOregonUS NewsUS veteranswarning shot

An Oregon man, a veteran, has had rifle confiscated and is facing criminal charges after he attempted to stop a wanted felon from breaking into his home by firing a warning shot

“Police later determined he wasn’t justified in firing his weapon. Medford Police Lt. Mike Budreau said “there was nothing that the suspect was doing that was aggressive enough to justify the shooting.”

Thompson was charged with unlawful use of a weapon, menacing and reckless endangering. The veteran’s AR-15 was seized by police because they claim it was used in the commission of a crime.”

http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/corey-thompson-oregon-iraq-afghan-veteran-loses-ar-15-and-arrested-for-firing-warning-shot-at-intruder-77711/


41 posted on 06/01/2013 5:32:39 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Yes, he need badly to move out of Oregon, after his trial.

What a mess.

NUTS!


42 posted on 06/01/2013 6:07:18 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Last I heard you can still own a Thompson (semi-auto),

I had a customer in NM who had one beside his desk in his office. He carried a fully auto version during WWII. He was a great guy.


43 posted on 06/01/2013 6:10:19 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

A Thompson is a heavy weapon. I was shocked when I lifted up one in the gun store. Much heavier than an AR-15 even WITHOUT a magazine.


44 posted on 06/01/2013 6:15:22 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Texas Fossil

The “warning” shot comes “after” your first shot puts down the perp.


45 posted on 06/01/2013 6:20:49 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

While at a gun show I hefted both a Thompson and a MAC-10 in rifle configuration.

I found the MAC-10 better balanced and lighter. I did not get to fire them so can’t make a judgement on how they worked.

I did shoot an imitation Thompson, and while it would feed ammo by hand operating, I found it would jam if fired on every two or three rounds.


46 posted on 06/01/2013 7:33:54 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: central_va

So is an M-1


47 posted on 06/01/2013 10:10:58 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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