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Why Did the FBI Kill an Unarmed Man and Clam Up?
The Atlantic ^ | MAY 30 2013 | CONOR FRIEDERSDORF

Posted on 05/30/2013 8:26:01 AM PDT by forty_years

What led an FBI agent, or some other law enforcement official, to shoot and kill an unarmed man in Orlando, Florida? The man, Ibragim Todashev, was being questioned about the Boston bombing, as well as an unsolved 2011 triple murder that he may or may not have confessed to committing. Does that sound sketchy? Don't blame me. Once he died, law enforcement started releasing anonymous, conflicting explanations so dubious that they warrant an inquiry all by themselves.

Did the dead man have a knife? A gun? A sword? None of those? Let's run through a timeline of what we've been told, and then assess all the information that the FBI hasn't released about the killing. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bbfloridafriend; bbfriend; bbtriplemurder; boston; bostonbombing; conspiracy; coverup; fbi; ibragimtodashev; todashev; triplemurder
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1 posted on 05/30/2013 8:26:01 AM PDT by forty_years
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To: forty_years

Goin’ Fishin’


2 posted on 05/30/2013 8:27:23 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: forty_years

Although I have no sympathy for the deceased here, this situation along with the changing stories really stinks.


3 posted on 05/30/2013 8:27:54 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: forty_years

Because dead men tell no tales...


4 posted on 05/30/2013 8:30:41 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: circlecity
and I better do this every chance I get ... nothing too ambitious
5 posted on 05/30/2013 8:30:49 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: circlecity

“Although I have no sympathy for the deceased here, this situation along with the changing stories really stinks.”

When you have a complicit media, and a stupid public, changing stories constantly is an excellent tactic. The public doesn’t have the ability or the patience to try to follow the lies, and the media will rarely point out contradictions.

Obama can do almost anything, and by the third or fourth iteration of the story, the public loses interest.


6 posted on 05/30/2013 8:31:32 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: forty_years

FBI Assassin Squads ? FBI Cleanup Squads ?


7 posted on 05/30/2013 8:31:47 AM PDT by molson209
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To: forty_years
The Atlantic is becoming increasingly laughable.

(1) The author is apparently surprised that the press gets details wrong and gives out conflicting information on a breaking story. Even though this happens every time on every breaking story.

(2) The author is apparently surprised that there is such a thing as a desire for martyrdom among Islamic extremists. It shocks him that an Islamist would try to attack and disarm an agent of the hated US government.

8 posted on 05/30/2013 8:31:48 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: molson209

LOL


9 posted on 05/30/2013 8:32:20 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: brownsfan

Scary but true.You can launder just about anything in America. All you need to do is adjust the spin cycle.


10 posted on 05/30/2013 8:34:32 AM PDT by allendale
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To: forty_years

—how do we know he’s really dead?


11 posted on 05/30/2013 8:35:11 AM PDT by homegroan (Never make someone a priority when all you are to them is an option....)
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To: forty_years

Whether it’s a SWAT raid of Gibson Guitars or the unexplained death of a person of interest, the Federal government is clearly out of control and an enemy of the people.


12 posted on 05/30/2013 8:35:34 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: forty_years

Moral of the story: Never allow FBI, IRS agents, or any other official of ‘the new regime’ to be with you WITHOUT a video camera rolling or a neutral member of the public present.


13 posted on 05/30/2013 8:36:01 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: forty_years

Probably the same reason that they seem to have pushed two FBI agents involved in the case out of a helicopter to drown at sea. But what that reason is—other than some sort of cover-up to protect Obama—isn’t precisely clear.


14 posted on 05/30/2013 8:38:24 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: forty_years

Was this person a Muslim?


15 posted on 05/30/2013 8:39:47 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: forty_years

I just saw this linked via Yahoo and was going to post it. You would think that a seasoned FBI agent would be able to subdue and restrain someone without using lethal force.

You know what they say: From the head down...


16 posted on 05/30/2013 8:43:21 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: forty_years

This is now officially an X-File, Mulder. You’re off the case.


17 posted on 05/30/2013 8:45:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: forty_years

If he was as bad a$$ as the reports suggest it could be justified. If he’s on top of an FBI agent pounding his face I’d put a couple of rounds in him.

There is always the remote possibility they wanted him shut up for good.


18 posted on 05/30/2013 8:46:40 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: forty_years; OwenKellogg; bunster; thouworm; maggief; onyx; AllAmericanGirl44; ConservativeMan55; ..
The questions ask themselves.

Anyone wanting on or off this list...well, you know.

19 posted on 05/30/2013 8:47:46 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: forty_years
When I first heard of his death, I posted that the first thing to come to mind was the old movie: The Man Who Knew Too Much.

As more and more confusing details emerge about what happened or didn't happen or might have happened, I am back to to my original thought: The Man Who Knew Too Much.

Which leads in to that old quotation: Dead men tell no tales.
20 posted on 05/30/2013 8:49:28 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: brownsfan

This has been the Clinton strategy going back years.

The most notable was with Waco where the different agencies, FBI and ATF created numerous stories to confuse people.


21 posted on 05/30/2013 8:51:05 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: forty_years

told the Times that “the shooting occurred after Mr. Todashev had admitted his role in the killings” -mmm-mm- yes.


22 posted on 05/30/2013 8:54:56 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
WITHOUT a video camera rolling

Even that doesn't always mean anything. There are supposedly some 24 videos of the Murrah Building bombing and surrounding areas that are in FED custody. The general public has never seen any of them.
23 posted on 05/30/2013 8:55:45 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: molson209

FBKGB


24 posted on 05/30/2013 8:55:48 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: forty_years

Maybe the deceased made the mistake of mentioning his off-the-record meeting with Eric Holder, just to get the facts straight. :)


25 posted on 05/30/2013 8:55:58 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Waterboarding was anathematized, at least for moslems, by the kenyan because the information so gleaned was detrimental to the policies of the Administraton.


26 posted on 05/30/2013 8:58:57 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: TomGuy

Same here.

Just a guess, but I would say he knew why the date of the bombing was changed from the original July 4th date and why they had been instructed to “spontaneously” plan an attack on New York after the Boston bombing.

Nothing quite like using another terrorist attack to make it appear as if a lie from another terrorist attack just might be true.


27 posted on 05/30/2013 8:59:02 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: forty_years

Another “Cover Up?????. Naw! Not from the “Most Transparent Administration ever. Its gotten so bad that the corrupt Mexican government is learning from us.


28 posted on 05/30/2013 9:01:41 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: forty_years

mmmm—perhaps holder could hold a closed door, super secret, off the record meeting to disclose the reason.


29 posted on 05/30/2013 9:01:59 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: IMR 4350

I bet you he was doubled and saw a chance to attack his case officer. Or his case officer saw a chance to clean up his case file.


30 posted on 05/30/2013 9:02:37 AM PDT by Geoffrey
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To: Buckeye McFrog

You will just have to take what the FBI says happened> Todashev cannot tell his side! For one why was he not taken downtown to the cop shop and interrogated? Most prosecutors like to see the video of the interrogation.
If he was even considered dangerous he would have been cuffed! Looks like rookies day out!


31 posted on 05/30/2013 9:04:01 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: forty_years

32 posted on 05/30/2013 9:04:56 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: forty_years

murderers don’t talk


33 posted on 05/30/2013 9:11:18 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost; grumpygresh

Re: video cameras rolling. I heard recently that the FBI, when they stormed the THREE (3) Gibson factories, forced employees outside and TURNED OFF the VIDEO cameras. Now, gee, shazam...... why would that be?

This government is MORE than out of control. It’s frightening.


34 posted on 05/30/2013 9:13:22 AM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense?)
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To: Geoffrey

Clear up his case file?

He would be seen as a hero if he got info to “clean up” the Boston bombing, not so much killing someone before they could give you info on the bombing.

An armed agent is left alone with someone that is known to be a MMA fighter which has admitted to being involved with multiple murders and connected to known terrorist.

Story just doesn’t add up.


35 posted on 05/30/2013 9:18:20 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: molson209
FBI Assassin Squads ? FBI Cleanup Squads ?

There is plenty to be suspicious about in this story. It just doesn't add up well at all. Why wouldn't law enforcement take him to a police facility for interviewing? Especially after someone claims he confessed about the triple murders. Also, wouldn't law enforcement want the whole interview on video? Were they video taping at his apartment? The very idea of questioning him for 8 hours in his apartment doesn't make sense.

We don't know for sure that the supposed FBI agent was really an FBI agent. Someone is just saying so. Perhaps this fellow mentioned that the bombing conspiracy went much further than the two brothers, and THAT information needed to be stifled right there.

These days, I think all law enforcement has a credibility problem to begin with, to most American citizens because of the many attempts at covering up wrong doing or mistakes with lethal consequences. It seems widespread throughout.

It seems a bit unlikely that after 8 hours of questioning, that something happened at the very moment when the FBI agent was alone with the guy. With all the law enforcement officers there, WHY was the agent alone with him?

We certainly can't expect the justice department to give us any answers, when it's top guy routinely lies about everything.
36 posted on 05/30/2013 9:19:03 AM PDT by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

I read early on that the guy was a MMA competitior on a local basis.

He may have waited until the agents guard was down in what appeared to be a friendly interview and then just uncorked on him. It would be easy to be on the downhill side of an encounter like that and have no other choice that to use his weapon. AKA-George Zimmerman.


37 posted on 05/30/2013 9:26:44 AM PDT by biff (WAS)
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To: Cicero

this happened at sea????


38 posted on 05/30/2013 9:28:57 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: molson209

They’re usually called Hostage Rescue Teams.


39 posted on 05/30/2013 9:31:08 AM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: arthurus
told the Times that “the shooting occurred after Mr. Todashev had admitted his role in the killings” -mmm-mm- yes.

So it was a kind of deathbed confession.

40 posted on 05/30/2013 9:33:23 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: Donnafrflorida

Two of the agents were practicing roping onto a ship at sea. They were part of the FBI’s hostage rescue team. Apparently, they fell off the ropes and were killed when they landed on the ship.


41 posted on 05/30/2013 9:48:46 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: forty_years

Massachusetts law enforcement said he had originally been a suspect in the Boston murders. So why was he being interviewed in an apartment? There were two Mass. State Troopers along with the agent. Certainly they could have taken him to a local law enforcement facility or FBI office to conduct an interview. This was bad planning from the beginning. Probably too lazy to do the job right.


42 posted on 05/30/2013 9:59:51 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
"If he’s on top of an FBI agent pounding his face I’d put a couple of rounds in him."

I would have too, but poor George Zimmerman is going through hell because he did exactly that. I doubt we'll ever really know the truth about what happened in that apartment.

43 posted on 05/30/2013 10:02:24 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: forty_years
Even to the democRATs/liberals/marxists/progressives (sorry for being redundant), doesn't this 0bama regime scare even you? Shite, none of the federal agencies can keep their stories straight.

If you don't see there is a problem, or are cheering on the 0bama regime, there will be a time of reckoning...trust me.

5.56mm

44 posted on 05/30/2013 10:03:48 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: forty_years

Something really stinks in this case. First they say the deceased lunges at a feebie with a knife, then they say he was unarmed. They say at least six law enforcement people involved in interrogation which had gone on for several hours. Why wasn’t the suspect brought to a law enforcement facility? Why wasn’t he properly secured. If local cops shoot an unarmed suspect or the shooting is otherwise questionable the case goes to a grand jury this case cries out for a grand jury to learn the facts. We all know dead men tell no tales. Were they trying to scare him into confessing via a “Russian roulette” scenario? With the DOJ, FBI, State Dept et al out of control, and not trusted, the people need to know what happened.


45 posted on 05/30/2013 10:06:50 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: forty_years

Cuz the FBI mistook him for a ‘threatening’ dog??


46 posted on 05/30/2013 10:09:16 AM PDT by yadent
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To: yadent

Ahhhh, the “woof, woof” defense?


47 posted on 05/30/2013 10:32:37 AM PDT by biff (WAS)
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To: forty_years

Even tho’ I’m pretty sure this guy was a jihadi sympathizer, if not in fact a co-conspirator, I have to say this story kind of stinks.

If they just screwed up, why don’t they admit it?

LEOs interrogate dangerous people every day, I can’t remember another story where the questionee got killed.


48 posted on 05/30/2013 10:37:58 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

And a lawyer.


49 posted on 05/30/2013 10:39:23 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Cicero

“Probably the same reason that they seem to have pushed two FBI agents involved in the case out of a helicopter to drown at sea.”

Please give us some more info on this!


50 posted on 05/30/2013 10:40:31 AM PDT by jocon307
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