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The 2 FBI Agents Who Arrested Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Did Not Die Mysteriously
Front Page ^ | 5/30/13 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 05/30/2013 5:13:31 PM PDT by Nachum

This story is going around the usual circles, but there are a few things wrong with it. First of all Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was actually arrested by an MBTA SWAT Team.

The FBI tried to negotiate his surrender and he was eventually taken into federal custody. Considering how many people were involved in the actual arrest and how many agencies got involved, we’re talking about a lot of personnel that were in some way around.

Special Agents Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw were members of a hostage rescue team. I’m having trouble finding any legitimate news sites, not counting the usual Pravda-Ron Paul-Infowars conspiracy network sites, that even say that they specifically were in the area.

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KEYWORDS: agents; bbfriend; bbtriplemurder; boston; bostonbombing; die; fbi; fbibb; fbideaths; greenfield; tsarnaev

1 posted on 05/30/2013 5:13:31 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: All

Obama Dead Pool file

http://www.nachumlist.com/deadpool.htm


2 posted on 05/30/2013 5:14:57 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Sure, muslim terrorists in Federal custody get shot and killed every day.


3 posted on 05/30/2013 5:16:15 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Nachum

I’m seeing people simply declare that people don’t just fall while rappelling from helicopters. That’s a little like saying that fire doesn’t melt steel. (They do and it does)


4 posted on 05/30/2013 5:16:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Nachum

Anybody know what an MBTA team is?


5 posted on 05/30/2013 5:18:31 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: cripplecreek

In rock climbing, the largest number of deaths happens from rappelling, for a variety of proposed reasons. I think it’s because people sometimes don’t take it seriously enough. If something goes wrong, you have a long, long drop and you are NOT belayed.


6 posted on 05/30/2013 5:19:02 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: cripplecreek

And top generals don’t fall like domino’s.


7 posted on 05/30/2013 5:20:14 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: nascarnation

Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority


8 posted on 05/30/2013 5:20:42 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: bigfootbob

Thanks.

So the Transit Authority has its own SWAT team....Lord help us citizens....


9 posted on 05/30/2013 5:21:57 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority SWAT Team

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22047902/2013/04/22/mbta-swat-team-members-describe-capture-of-bomber-number-two


10 posted on 05/30/2013 5:22:06 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: nascarnation

Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority


11 posted on 05/30/2013 5:22:38 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: dirtboy

From Wiki on Mogadishu

>>During the operation’s first moments, Ranger PFC Todd Blackburn, from Chalk Four, fell while fast-roping from his Black Hawk Super 6-7 while it was hovering 70 feet (21 m) above the streets. The film Black Hawk Down shows that he slipped when the helicopter was forced to take evasive maneuvers to avoid an incoming RPG fired from a nearby rooftop, although, according to Bowden, video does not show the helicopter moving. Blackburn suffered an injury to his head and back of his neck and required evacuation by SGT Jeff Struecker’s column of three Humvees


12 posted on 05/30/2013 5:22:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Nachum

Does this mean that the Boston terrorist and all who gave it material help will get a show trial and then go scot free?


13 posted on 05/30/2013 5:23:16 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: nascarnation

Massachusetts Boston Transit Authority


14 posted on 05/30/2013 5:23:44 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot.)
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To: nascarnation

NOAA, SSA, Dept Ag, Dept Int, DEP, DER. DNR, ACoE etc all have their own SWAT teams.

Lord help us is right...


15 posted on 05/30/2013 5:24:35 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: cripplecreek

Actually, if you are rope into a it’s pretty dang’d difficult to fall to your death, for an experienced person and that depends on the belay used.

I use the most basic one and I’ve found myself upside down before. Stoopit !!!

But, I’m no where as experienced as two men and really?? What are the odds two highly experienced and athletic guys are going to lose total control on belay??? Unless they both crossed their line on the opposite side??

Even then, it won’t result in a free fall. Will give you a fk’d up rope burn but, you land recover proper looping and it’ll hurt. But you’ll laugh it off. a f


16 posted on 05/30/2013 5:28:30 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: nascarnation

Isn’t that an additive in milk?


17 posted on 05/30/2013 5:40:01 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLeNE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: I want the USA back
Probably get deported to the briar patch.
18 posted on 05/30/2013 5:42:10 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLeNE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: carriage_hill

Dept Education SWATted someone in LA for a delinquent student loan a little while back.


19 posted on 05/30/2013 5:43:30 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLeNE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Vendome

Also, I’m not sure if the initial report has since changed, but I heard that they were over water, but did not die from drowning and that the impact was the cause of death.


20 posted on 05/30/2013 5:48:42 PM PDT by Patriot95
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To: Nachum

Be careful what you read.

When an agent “hits the rope” the copter does not become lighter by 200 to 300 pounds as someone replying to the article states. That weight stays with the copter until the person leaves the rope and hits the ground. Simple physics.


21 posted on 05/30/2013 5:57:01 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: Vendome
Tactical “fast roping” is done without use of braking devices or carabiners, much like sliding down a fire pole.
22 posted on 05/30/2013 6:02:58 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: Patriot95

They pulled a guy out of lake Michigan today who survived a suicide attempt from the Mackinaw bridge. If he really wanted to kill himself he needed to go out to mid span where he would have a couple hundred feet to the water.

The hour in 40 degree water probably came closer to killing him than the 70 foot jump.


23 posted on 05/30/2013 6:10:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Vendome
Even then, it won’t result in a free fall.

The method we used to use would result in freefall if you lost your grip, the SAS complained about our old fashioned method and one of them lost his career that day rappelling from helicopters with us, from injuries resulting from his mistake.

Frankly, I don't even know how the modern version work, but I have the impression that more equipment than a rope and a carabiner and gloves, are used.

24 posted on 05/30/2013 6:10:31 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: Nachum
First of all Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was actually arrested by an MBTA SWAT Team.

Interesting... That suggests that real time broadcast of contrary sounding orders on publicly accessible police radio channels might have been used to obfuscate what was really going on. Or maybe multiple teams were involved, and somebody decided who got to take credit. So they chose the transit police, for some reason, perhaps related to jurisdiction.

25 posted on 05/30/2013 6:17:21 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: carriage_hill
NOAA, SSA, Dept Ag, Dept Int, DEP, DER. DNR, ACoE etc all have their own SWAT teams.

How did that happen?

26 posted on 05/30/2013 6:18:28 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: freeandfreezing
Or maybe just to make the MBTA guys feel better:

"“When the time came to move in on him, the FBI agent was there and he said ‘okay, you guys are going to take the lead,’” MBTA Sgt. Sean Reynolds said.

“When we first started moving up to the boat, he was laying on the side of the boat. He was in and out of consciousness. When we got to 10 or 15 yards from him, he sat back up.”

The FBI had negotiated his surrender..."

Once the FBI HRT guys had negotiated the surrender of an unarmed, semi-concious guy, they handed it over to the MBTA SWAT team to handcuff him.

27 posted on 05/30/2013 6:23:33 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing; OwenKellogg; bunster; thouworm; maggief; onyx; AllAmericanGirl44; ...
But he tried to commit suicide by shooting himself in the mouth they said...except he didn't have a gun. How do you do that laying half dead in a boat with no weapon?

Anyone wanting on or off this list...well, you know.

28 posted on 05/30/2013 7:06:42 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: cripplecreek
Yes they do die from rappelling.....though it’s rare. Rappelling from a helicopter to a ship is one of the most dangerous excercises they do.

My son is in the Air Force and explained how this happens and the danger involved. They actually go down face first....with the idea they will be firing as they go.

29 posted on 05/30/2013 8:36:27 PM PDT by caww
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To: ansel12

Yeah, My way belay is a Super 8 or an ATC guide. I guess if I were going down fast I’d want an ATC so I drag that rope into the teeth....maybe. LOL

WTF do I know?


30 posted on 05/30/2013 11:01:09 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

I don’t know what that stuff is, but I see things in movies that sure looks a lot safer than cutting 8 feet of rope and wrapping your swiss seat and hooking your carabiner to it and taking off while hovering from a 100 feet.

On the other hand, it is cheap and light.

I was once disturbed to see a jumbled pile of old ropes laying on a floor in an Army office that we hadn’t used for STABO for many months but would be using again soon, guys just walking around it, it wasn’t coiled or protected, I asked if it was inspected before we did STABOs and the guy said he didn’t know, that bothered me.


31 posted on 05/30/2013 11:22:43 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: Moonman62

“Enforcement” of their rules, regs, order, mandates etc, I’m guessing. DHS was most likely involved in promoting it, too. I’ve read some articles over the past year, here on FR and other sites, about their heavy-handed tactics, shootouts etc.


32 posted on 05/31/2013 1:21:41 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Moonman62

Here’s just one:

http://forfeiturereform.com/2011/12/21/not-every-government-agency-needs-a-police-force/


33 posted on 05/31/2013 1:33:23 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: arthurus

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/06/daniel-zimmerman/doe-swat-team-raids-house-over-a-student-loan/


34 posted on 05/31/2013 1:34:39 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: ansel12

K. So, a Super 8 is a ring that attaches to whatever you have around your waist, usually a harness. You loop the rope a specific way through the ring, depending on if you are left handed or right handed(makes a deadly difference) and you control your descent through friction against the tie in, on the ring, friction through your legs/round your waist and your descending hand, which acts as your brake.

With an ATC you control descent through two holes or four. Anway, you have a descending hand, which controls the brake, which is located in the ATC.

Braking is acheived by pulling down on your braking hand and forcing the rope, into the cleats or teeth of the downside of the ATC.

You can two ropes through the same cleat, to force the rope faster and more secure through over stuffing of the area.

that method is usually used if you are in a particularly windy, icy area and if you want to retrieve your rope at the bottom of your ascent.

Hooking into a carabiner at 100 feet is safe and the same concept at using a Super 8 but, it moves around a bit and has less features.

No way I’d use rope without inspecting it. I’ve used rope that had been sitting around under my bed for a few years, as I had forgot I put there.

I did, however, inspect it before putting my life on the end of it. That rope had two pieces of rubber hose thrown in with it.

I made the rubber hoses as slip mechanisms, so as I descended the rope would slide easily and not get caught up or cut on rocks.


35 posted on 05/31/2013 9:35:14 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: cripplecreek

The first casualty in the Blackhawk Down raid was one of the Rangers who fell while fast roping. It happens.


36 posted on 05/31/2013 9:39:06 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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