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Posted on 05/30/2013 5:13:31 PM PDT by Nachum
This story is going around the usual circles, but there are a few things wrong with it. First of all Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was actually arrested by an MBTA SWAT Team.
The FBI tried to negotiate his surrender and he was eventually taken into federal custody. Considering how many people were involved in the actual arrest and how many agencies got involved, we’re talking about a lot of personnel that were in some way around.
Special Agents Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw were members of a hostage rescue team. I’m having trouble finding any legitimate news sites, not counting the usual Pravda-Ron Paul-Infowars conspiracy network sites, that even say that they specifically were in the area.
(Excerpt) Read more at frontpagemag.com ...
Be careful what you read.
When an agent “hits the rope” the copter does not become lighter by 200 to 300 pounds as someone replying to the article states. That weight stays with the copter until the person leaves the rope and hits the ground. Simple physics.
They pulled a guy out of lake Michigan today who survived a suicide attempt from the Mackinaw bridge. If he really wanted to kill himself he needed to go out to mid span where he would have a couple hundred feet to the water.
The hour in 40 degree water probably came closer to killing him than the 70 foot jump.
The method we used to use would result in freefall if you lost your grip, the SAS complained about our old fashioned method and one of them lost his career that day rappelling from helicopters with us, from injuries resulting from his mistake.
Frankly, I don't even know how the modern version work, but I have the impression that more equipment than a rope and a carabiner and gloves, are used.
Interesting... That suggests that real time broadcast of contrary sounding orders on publicly accessible police radio channels might have been used to obfuscate what was really going on. Or maybe multiple teams were involved, and somebody decided who got to take credit. So they chose the transit police, for some reason, perhaps related to jurisdiction.
How did that happen?
"“When the time came to move in on him, the FBI agent was there and he said ‘okay, you guys are going to take the lead,’” MBTA Sgt. Sean Reynolds said.
“When we first started moving up to the boat, he was laying on the side of the boat. He was in and out of consciousness. When we got to 10 or 15 yards from him, he sat back up.”
The FBI had negotiated his surrender..."
Once the FBI HRT guys had negotiated the surrender of an unarmed, semi-concious guy, they handed it over to the MBTA SWAT team to handcuff him.
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My son is in the Air Force and explained how this happens and the danger involved. They actually go down face first....with the idea they will be firing as they go.
Yeah, My way belay is a Super 8 or an ATC guide. I guess if I were going down fast I’d want an ATC so I drag that rope into the teeth....maybe. LOL
WTF do I know?
I don’t know what that stuff is, but I see things in movies that sure looks a lot safer than cutting 8 feet of rope and wrapping your swiss seat and hooking your carabiner to it and taking off while hovering from a 100 feet.
On the other hand, it is cheap and light.
I was once disturbed to see a jumbled pile of old ropes laying on a floor in an Army office that we hadn’t used for STABO for many months but would be using again soon, guys just walking around it, it wasn’t coiled or protected, I asked if it was inspected before we did STABOs and the guy said he didn’t know, that bothered me.
“Enforcement” of their rules, regs, order, mandates etc, I’m guessing. DHS was most likely involved in promoting it, too. I’ve read some articles over the past year, here on FR and other sites, about their heavy-handed tactics, shootouts etc.
Here’s just one:
http://forfeiturereform.com/2011/12/21/not-every-government-agency-needs-a-police-force/
K. So, a Super 8 is a ring that attaches to whatever you have around your waist, usually a harness. You loop the rope a specific way through the ring, depending on if you are left handed or right handed(makes a deadly difference) and you control your descent through friction against the tie in, on the ring, friction through your legs/round your waist and your descending hand, which acts as your brake.
With an ATC you control descent through two holes or four. Anway, you have a descending hand, which controls the brake, which is located in the ATC.
Braking is acheived by pulling down on your braking hand and forcing the rope, into the cleats or teeth of the downside of the ATC.
You can two ropes through the same cleat, to force the rope faster and more secure through over stuffing of the area.
that method is usually used if you are in a particularly windy, icy area and if you want to retrieve your rope at the bottom of your ascent.
Hooking into a carabiner at 100 feet is safe and the same concept at using a Super 8 but, it moves around a bit and has less features.
No way I’d use rope without inspecting it. I’ve used rope that had been sitting around under my bed for a few years, as I had forgot I put there.
I did, however, inspect it before putting my life on the end of it. That rope had two pieces of rubber hose thrown in with it.
I made the rubber hoses as slip mechanisms, so as I descended the rope would slide easily and not get caught up or cut on rocks.
The first casualty in the Blackhawk Down raid was one of the Rangers who fell while fast roping. It happens.
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