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FBI Ran Pedophile Ring to Nab Pedophiles
Breitbart ^ | 30 May 2013, 8:24 AM PDT | Elizabeth Sheld

Posted on 05/30/2013 7:38:28 PM PDT by null and void

As late as last year, the FBI ran a child pornography operation in an attempt to nab its customers.  The service ran for two weeks "while attempting to identify more than 5,000 customers, according to agent's statements to the court."

Court records indicate the site continued to distribute child pornography online while under FBI control; the Seattle-based special agent, a specialist in online crimes against children, detailed the investigation earlier this month in a statement to the court.

The methods used in the child pornography ring depart from traditional investigations, "historically, child pornography investigations stem from tips made to law enforcement, interactions with undercover officers posing as customers or reviews of documentation seized during searches of child porn clearinghouses like the one recently raided in Nebraska."

The Bureau seized a website on November 16, 2012.  It operated until it was shut down on December 2 and at the time, it had more than 5,600 users and 24,000 posts. "At least 10,000 photos of children being posed nude, raped or otherwise abused were broadcast through the site."

Discussions ranged from how to avoid detection by police and "how to lure a child in my car."  Agents were unable to identify users through the service records, so the site was allowed to continue in order to gain more information about the patrons.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Nebraska
KEYWORDS: entrapment; fbi; sting
Ah the internet, where men are men, women are women and 13 year old girls are FBI agents...
1 posted on 05/30/2013 7:38:28 PM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void

My main concern would be whether the FBI transmitted pictures to lure pedophiles.


2 posted on 05/30/2013 7:39:18 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: null and void

Fast and Furious, part deux ?


3 posted on 05/30/2013 7:39:36 PM PDT by llevrok (How hot does the water need to get before the frog should jump out?)
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To: null and void

Does the FBI ever break cases anymore? Is everything they do bait and trap now?


4 posted on 05/30/2013 7:41:00 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: llevrok

Fast & Furious, Part DUH!


5 posted on 05/30/2013 7:43:51 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
your accent is impeccable!
6 posted on 05/30/2013 7:44:58 PM PDT by llevrok (How hot does the water need to get before the frog should jump out?)
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To: null and void

The only way I would okay something like this, is if this were going to be the last case ever, and all pedophiles would be taken off the streets for ever.

Since that isn’t going to happen, there’s no way I would okay this.

What’s the FBI plan to do, be in the pedophile business forever? Seriously, if it’s okay this once, then doesn’t that mean it’s always okay to do this?

WTH do these people use for moral composes these days, Mohammed?


7 posted on 05/30/2013 7:45:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: null and void

If the FBI distributed child porn, are they as guilty as the perp?

Also, wouldn’t a defense attorney correctly argue that said distribution of child porn makes any arrests stemming from website visitation a case of “fruit of the poison tree.”

The FBI may have shot themselves in the foot on this one.


8 posted on 05/30/2013 7:48:10 PM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Irenic

Sure doesn’t seem so with all of the fake terrorism cases.


9 posted on 05/30/2013 7:54:42 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: null and void


10 posted on 05/30/2013 7:55:43 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: null and void

During the 60’s the FBI planted people in the KKK and other organizations, they also planted people in Motorcycle clubs in the 80’s. Why is it surprising that they plant people in kiddie porn?


11 posted on 05/30/2013 7:57:02 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Yup. There are lines undercover cops shouldn’t cross, but they do have to do some pretty bad things if they are going to maintain credibility with the groups they’re infiltrating.

Producing new kiddie porn by abusing children is one of the lines that should never be crossed, and hopefully one they would never even consider. Using already existing porn to trap users is very close to the line, but one that I can deal with from an ethical standpoint.

How this plays out legally is of course another issue.


12 posted on 05/30/2013 8:00:43 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Jonty30
My main concern would be whether the FBI transmitted pictures to lure pedophiles.

From the article: "At least 10,000 photos of children being posed nude, raped or otherwise abused were broadcast through the site."

13 posted on 05/30/2013 8:01:47 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Dalberg-Acton

That doesn’t mean that it came from the FBI.


14 posted on 05/30/2013 8:04:05 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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15 posted on 05/30/2013 8:05:42 PM PDT by narses
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To: null and void

> Ah the internet, where men are men, women are women and 13 year old girls are FBI agents...

And homosexual and transgender whackos are the opposite sex....


16 posted on 05/30/2013 8:08:08 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: txnativegop
If the FBI distributed child porn, are they as guilty as the perp?

I do not believe there are any allowable uses for the distribution of Child Pornography. I believe that everyone involved in this is as guilty as the people they distributed it to. You have to be pretty sick to think this was a good idea.

17 posted on 05/30/2013 8:15:01 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: null and void

Goods for the feds, on this one.


18 posted on 05/30/2013 8:19:48 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: null and void

These FBI agents probably viewed the pedophile ring gig as a job perk.


19 posted on 05/30/2013 8:21:25 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: Gator113

I’m sure the parents of the kids whose pix went out the door in those 2 weeks share your enthusiasm..../s

This was wrong in every way wrong can be defined. This isn’t adults. It’s kid porn.


20 posted on 05/30/2013 8:23:38 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: null and void

Another brilliant strategy from Sgt Stadanko!


21 posted on 05/30/2013 8:30:36 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Sherman Logan
Using already existing porn to trap users is very close to the line, but one that I can deal with from an ethical standpoint.

???????? What they did was EVIL.
22 posted on 05/30/2013 8:31:38 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: DoughtyOne

God’s gonna get ‘em for that


23 posted on 05/30/2013 8:39:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Sherman Logan; Venturer
Using already existing porn to trap users is very close to the line, but one that I can deal with from an ethical standpoint.

Could you deal with it, ethically, if the pictures the FBI handed out included photographs of your infant son or daughter being raped?

24 posted on 05/30/2013 8:50:45 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

aww ya gotta break some EGGS to make an omelet!!

(I don’t believe the good Lord is amused at the spectacle, though. Utilitarianism can dig ya real real deep into hell.)


25 posted on 05/30/2013 9:02:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Girlene

This should surprise exactly no one considering that so many freepers are 100 percent on board with ‘lesser evils’ as a path to political victory. People have screaming fits when called on it but the facts speak clearly.

This insanity is the result of ‘lesser evil’ being made acceptable and many are so far gone down the path they are desensitized to just how evil this was.


26 posted on 05/30/2013 9:07:53 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Jonty30

Every time I think my government can of shock me more, I am shocked again. Our FBI distributing child pornography? Mind-boggling.


27 posted on 05/30/2013 9:45:43 PM PDT by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: null and void

Pedophilia, gun running — an administration to be proud of!


28 posted on 05/30/2013 10:20:53 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: DoughtyOne

And I believe He should. I don’t want pedophiles around, but that doesn’t mean I want our government to become one to get them.


29 posted on 05/30/2013 11:55:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: Jonty30
My main concern would be whether the FBI transmitted pictures to lure pedophiles.

"Court records indicate the site continued to distribute child pornography online while under FBI control..."

30 posted on 05/31/2013 12:03:25 AM PDT by sargon
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To: null and void

Anyone know if the FBI was any better at running this pedophile sting than Treasury was at running the Mustang Ranch Brothel in Nevada? The bumbling bozos at Treasury lost money trying to run the “oldest profession”. Here: http://theplaintruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3315092.


31 posted on 05/31/2013 1:26:33 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Jonty30
That doesn’t mean that it came from the FBI.

Fine and dandy.

So, where did the images come from?

The agents involved need to be hauled before Congress either to divulge the answer or damn the USG by taking the Fifth.

32 posted on 05/31/2013 1:48:16 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

It would have come from,the pedophile ring. Unfortunately the only way to get these sick biastards is to allow some uploading and downloading so IP addresses can be traced.


33 posted on 05/31/2013 1:51:03 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: dead

I never said I agreed with it , I said they did it.


34 posted on 05/31/2013 3:42:46 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: dead

Not with much joy, but if it helped catch those who did it or others like them and therefore prevented other children from being abused, I could deal with it.

YMMV


35 posted on 05/31/2013 4:52:10 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Girlene

What was evil? Recording the molesting of children for pleasure and profit? Or using those recordings to catch people before they could hurt more children?


36 posted on 05/31/2013 4:53:32 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Girlene
What they did was EVIL.

What the people who created the pics did was evil. The FBI allowed pics (that were already created and likely floating around the net) to be transmitted in an effort to get the pedophiles. I have no problem with that, as long as they get the pedophiles.

37 posted on 05/31/2013 5:02:33 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I would also contend that using those recordings for pleasure or profit is in itself evil, though I suspect a strong libertarian would have a difficult time showing why. After all, the actual damage to the children has already been done. Looking at the pics for perverse pleasure does not of itself cause more harm to another person.

Which is one of the reasons I’m not a full-blown libertarian. Some actions are just evil in themselves, even if they do not directly harm someone else.

Using the recordings to prevent others from harming more children is about as non-evil as I can imagine something being.

Now abusing children to get new recordings to trap child molesters would be utterly evil, regardless of the ultimate intent of the action. But I sincerely believe the FBI would never even consider doing such things.


38 posted on 05/31/2013 7:34:59 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
What was evil?

All of it. Who said anyone was caught? Who said more children weren't hurt because these photos/videos provided stimulation for a pedophile.

From the article: Discussions ranged from how to avoid detection by police and "how to lure a child in my car." Agents were unable to identify users through the service records, so the site was allowed to continue in order to gain more information about the patrons.

Nothing there said anyone was caught. More people were gathering information on how to avoid being caught AND how to harm more children while this site was up.

I realize some might think this is a good idea on the surface. Just let it sink in what they were doing. This was EVIL. There is no other way to look at this morally.
39 posted on 05/31/2013 8:15:07 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: PapaBear3625

What the FBI did was EVIL. Pure and simple. How many more pedophiles have they helped create, encourage with leaving these pictures/videos up? This is depraved.


40 posted on 05/31/2013 8:18:48 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: dead

If it got me the name and address of the rapist, I might be okay with it...


41 posted on 05/31/2013 8:27:13 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: Girlene

Sorry, but that’s how, by definition, undercover works.

Undercovers in drug gangs allow drug sales to continue while they gather evidence, with all the human tragedy that entails.

Undercovers in terrorist groups have to allow some terrorist attacks to go forward while they acquire intelligence. People die, are tortured or maimed.

To be effective undercovers in pedophile groups agents have to appear to participate in their activities, and that means some pedophile activity will go forward during their undercover period that they could in theory have stopped.

In a famous WWII incident, Churchill had to allow Coventry to be bombed without warning, because warning the inhabitants would have alerted the Germans that the Brits had broken their codes, whereupon they would change them and a great many more people would die due to the lack of intelligence.

I quite agree it’s a very slippery slope, but if undercover or human intelligence is ever to be gathered, it requires allowing some evil to go forward in hopes of preventing greater future evil.


42 posted on 05/31/2013 10:30:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Oh, like the FBI running the 1993 terrorist cell which ended up bombing the Towers in 1993 after the FBI did everything for the planning except provide the explosives, which the terrorists apparently had little trouble buying elsewhere? Riiight, and the FBI is so righteous that they would never run a false flag op, right?


43 posted on 05/31/2013 10:32:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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