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Answers needed in death of Tamerlan Tsarnaev acquaintance
Washington Post ^ | May 30, 2013

Posted on 05/30/2013 10:24:57 PM PDT by Mount Athos

Edited on 05/31/2013 5:06:42 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Last week, a team of FBI agents and Massachusetts police officers questioned Ibragim Todashev, an associate of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings who was killed days after that calamity.

One of the agents left the interview with minor injuries. Mr. Todashev was carted out with, apparently, several bullet holes in his body. We say “apparently” because journalists have gotten a tangle of conflicting reports from law enforcement sources about what happened, many of which look bad for the FBI.


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1 posted on 05/30/2013 10:24:57 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos; OwenKellogg; bunster; thouworm; maggief; onyx; AllAmericanGirl44; ConservativeMan55; ..
Like anyone will answer. Good luck with that.

Anyone wanting on or off this list...well, you know.

2 posted on 05/30/2013 10:40:54 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: Mount Athos
One of the agents left the interview with minor injuries.

The only answer I am seeking is if the FBI agent is ok.

3 posted on 05/30/2013 10:46:06 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

Not me. Don’t much care about liars.


4 posted on 05/30/2013 11:02:22 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Mount Athos

Weirdly enough, I agree with the WP.

Was Todashev’s killing a “clean-up?” Probably not, but if it was, how the scene have played out any differently?


5 posted on 05/30/2013 11:02:55 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein)
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To: MarMema

I share your sentiments about what should happen with terrorists, but with the current regime in place, the idea of Feds shooting suspects and loose ends makes me a little uncomfortable.

Hey, if the IRS won’t shut you up, how ‘bout a little visit from the FBI or some other armed alphabet agency?

With Obama and Holder calling the shots, the shots better be looked at very closely.


6 posted on 05/30/2013 11:06:27 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: chris37

Me - don’t care much about chechen murderer slime.


7 posted on 05/30/2013 11:07:04 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

Nor me.

I’ve no actual proof that he was that, do you?


8 posted on 05/30/2013 11:09:34 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: M1911A1
He had admitted to participating in slitting the throats of 3 people, one a friend, years ago along with the boston bomber guys. One less chechen in the country makes my day a better one.

Some reading suggestions for you...

The Wolves of Islam

The Informant

9 posted on 05/30/2013 11:10:52 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: chris37
this story for one

Two law enforcement officials have also told USA TODAY that Todashev was being questioned about the unsolved 2011 murders of three men in Waltham, Mass. ABC News reported last week that Todashev was about to sign a confession to the killings when he became violent.

Know anything about chechens, btw?

10 posted on 05/30/2013 11:17:20 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
When do agents make suspects sign confessions in their own apartments instead of bringing them in for questioning?

Clue: never.

I despise terrorists and believe they should be tried and executed, but this story just smells.

11 posted on 05/30/2013 11:24:58 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: MarMema

Yes, I do know about chechens.

Do you know why FBI agents shot an unarmed man whom they later claimed was armed?

Do you further know why FBI agents would interview a man that they believed to be dangerous in an apartment that he is familiar with and they are not familiar with without first securing the man and the apartment, or handcuffing him while they conduct their investigation for their safety and his, or bring him to a secure location to conduct such an interview?

Do you know that our government, its agencies and agents of those agencies are known liars?

Do you understand that if FBI agents lied about the circumstances of this mans death, which it now appears that they did, that FBI agents can no longer be trusted?

Do you realize how important trust of government is?


12 posted on 05/30/2013 11:31:52 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Mount Athos

I see this as a ‘get in line’ interest. Yes, I guess we should find out what happened but this is rather far down on my list of interests behind Benghazi, the IRS, State Dept, DOJ, etc., etc., etc. Has the WaPo advocated so strongly for any of those investigations?


13 posted on 05/30/2013 11:38:22 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: MarMema

Aren’t you skipping what should be of interest to us in your rush to change the suject, what happened in that room is the question.

We aren’t children deciding who we like the most, or who is the nice man or the mean man sitting in that room, we want to know what happened, and why, and did it cost us intelligence, were our agents incompetent, was the killing just, what happened in that room and why?


14 posted on 05/30/2013 11:47:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: MarMema

When gov’t agents show up at a house, kill someone, and then lie about it - it’s a big problem. Not unless you want to believe that a gov’t agency, say the IRS, would ever target persons based on their political beliefs.


15 posted on 05/30/2013 11:51:31 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: MarMema

[[He had admitted to participating in slitting the throats of 3 people, one a friend, years ago along with the boston bomber guys.]]

And was scared of facign life in prison or of beign executed, and so freaked out and lunged at police-

There- all the answers the folsk need explaiend right there-


16 posted on 05/31/2013 12:01:42 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

Is there a recording of that confession?

Is there a recording or video of this interview? If not, why not?

I’m a folsk, and the answers you have provided do not tell me anything at all about what happened.

I do not believe my government or anyone who works for them anymore about anything.

If they want me to believe anything at all then they are going to have to show me indisputable proof of their claim, or I will assume that they are lying as usual.

Such is the cost of being serial liars.


17 posted on 05/31/2013 12:06:05 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

[[If they want me to believe anything at all then they are going to have to show me indisputable proof of their claim,]]

With all due respect-0 they don’t have to show you or anyone else crap-

[[or I will assume that they are lying as usual.]]

And they care that you assuem htey are lying why? The burden of proof is not on them- it’s their word agaisnt the public’s- the burden is on thep ublic to prove they lied if they are goign to ‘demand answers’


18 posted on 05/31/2013 12:14:01 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: MarMema

A Chechen broke a wine glass, chewed it up, and swallowed it for his Russian boss, while on a commercial flight. MSM showed the video maybe 25 years ago. 60-Minutes?


20 posted on 05/31/2013 12:32:42 AM PDT by Does so (Progressives Don't Know the Meaning of INFRINGED...)
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To: chris37

I bet this is an issue of incompetence and a coverup of incompetence. The same kind of incompetence that led to the killing of Marine, Jose Guerena, by a SWAT team in AZ.

If the goal was to dispatch the individual, the method wouldn’t have been so obviously reckless.

The problem is policy, guaranteed employment, unions, pensions; the elements of mediocrity.

The citizens should be employing highly skilled individuals that must answer regularly to the compensation they’re receiving. No pensions, no unions, no guaranteed employment. There should be steep consequences for Constitutional violations. It should be a high stakes job with high pay; one that demands and rewards the best.

There are a lot good neighbors, friends, and unknowns under govt/taxpayers employ — many that have been buried with little recognition of their service to the Country and community. I’m not one of them nor defending any personal relationship. Just trying to push the focus where it belongs which is on governance, legislation, unionism, and general apathy by the voters that neglect the patterns of authoritarianism.


21 posted on 05/31/2013 12:34:28 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: chris37
Is there a recording or video of this interview? If not, why not?

Maybe things have changed, but videos—such as those done during OJ's investigation—are easily used to distort physical evidence by Criminal Trial lawyers.

22 posted on 05/31/2013 12:37:43 AM PDT by Does so (Progressives Don't Know the Meaning of INFRINGED...)
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To: Mount Athos

My gut reaction to this incident is that this guy must have had some information that would have put Obama or Eric Holder in a bad light.

I used to respect the FBI, but nowadays they appear to be the Gestapo arm of the Obama Administration.


23 posted on 05/31/2013 12:39:32 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Does so

Well, I watch ID channel all the time and suspects are taken to the station, put in an interview room, interviewed, and that interview is filmed.

Most times, the interviewer and the interviewee both leave that room alive.

Seems like a good place to start considering.


24 posted on 05/31/2013 12:42:23 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Gene Eric

I understand what you are saying, however the issue here is lies.

This lie, among other recent lies, has resulted in death.

The FBI can start by firing the agents involved, offering a detailed explanation of exactly what happened to the public and to the father of the man they killed, and opening these agents to prosecution if any crimes were in fact committed.

If this man died as a result of the incompetence of agents, then there is no reason at all that these agents should continue to be employed as such.

I’ve had it up to here with liars, Gene.


25 posted on 05/31/2013 12:48:23 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Mount Athos
The FBI had been on Todashev's case ever since the Tsarnaevs had been ID'ed as the perps. They had shadowed him and questioned him repeatedly. Todashev wanted to go home to visit his relatives, but the FBI insisted on one final interrogation session. Apparently, Todashev underestimated what they had figured out about him and the Tsarneavs.

It seems there were two Massachusetts State Troopers in on this interrogation, along with the FBI. They were interested in the 2011 killings, not the Marathon bombings. The Staties knew all law enforcement knew about the 2011 case. They must have used their knowledge to trap Todashev into confirming that the Tsarnaevs were responsible, and he was a participant.

Assuming we can believe the FBI, what likely happened is, the Staties were successful in worming out of Todashev information that he participated in the 2011 massacre. So, they drew up a statement for Todashev to sign.

But then Todashev, who'd figured he'd be on his way home as soon as he brushed of the feds, realized he'd just confessed to a crime that could put him away for keeps. And all because the FBI had found a phone call to him a month before the Marathon on Speed Bump's cell phone! Life in American jail! And not even for the jihadi bombings! How very depressing! Thus, when he found himself briefly alone with the FBI agent, he decided to suicide-kill his tormentor. But, fortunately, his well-trained reflexes were not quite up to the task.

26 posted on 05/31/2013 12:53:27 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Mount Athos

The guy knew the FBI was going to shoot him and they shot him!


28 posted on 05/31/2013 4:11:02 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (IÂ’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: M. Thatcher
"When do agents make suspects sign confessions in their own apartments instead of bringing them in for questioning?"

When the Obama administration insists that terrorists be given immediate Miranda rights and a government paid attorney when brought into custody.

I'm with the FBI on this one.

29 posted on 05/31/2013 4:46:45 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: MarMema

Who said he admitted anything? If he did then he can rot in hell. But... It’s been my personal experience that cops lie and say anything they want without fear of prosecution.


30 posted on 05/31/2013 5:42:38 AM PDT by Rick66 (Don't dislike me cause I live in Massholechusetts.)
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To: Rick66

Some of the press reports say he admitted to the murders.


31 posted on 05/31/2013 10:00:58 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Does so

That is an excellent portrayal of the chechen nature, thanks.


32 posted on 05/31/2013 10:01:30 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: ansel12
Not a rush to change the subject at all but rather a long-term studying and strong interest in chechens

My point is quite simply that the FBI agent did us all a favor...and here is a quote from the above link which says exactly what I meant.
"You can't discuss politics or anything else with terrorists and hostage-takers, but neither can you discuss anything with those who provide political cover for them"

33 posted on 05/31/2013 10:48:34 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
Not a rush to change the subject at all but rather a long-term studying and strong interest in chechens

LOL, that was my point.

Right now we don't care what his nationality was, we want to know what happened in that room.

To want to end discussion by telling us that he was Chechen and deserved to die is to end our looking into this event, you are way off track.

We need to know if he was,accidently killed? murdered by the FBI? wrongly killed by FBI incompetence? Killed while attacking an agent? We need to know what our FBI did in that apartment, and why, and why the conflicting reports and the non disclosure.

There should be ZERO confusion what happened during an FBI discussion with a guy in his apartment with city cops and agents both watching.

34 posted on 05/31/2013 11:10:26 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: MarMema

What actual proof do you have that the man they shot to death was in fact a terrorist or a hostage taker?

If FBI agents shot a suspect to death and then conspired to furnish and then did furnish a falsified report on that shooting, do you think that they should not be held accountable for that crime?

Are you characterizing corruption as doing us a favor?


37 posted on 05/31/2013 11:27:01 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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38 posted on 05/31/2013 11:27:28 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: chris37

You feel better now? All the kid had to do was go for the gun and hte officers were justified in shootign that person- IF you can rpove he didn’t go for hte gun- then go for it- until then calm the hell down-


39 posted on 05/31/2013 11:29:28 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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[[What actual proof do you have that the man they shot to death was in fact a terrorist or a hostage taker?]]

What proof do you have that they werren’t?

[[If FBI agents shot a suspect to death and then conspired to furnish and then did furnish a falsified report on that shooting,]]

The report was thjat he turned violent- If you have proof he didn’t present it


40 posted on 05/31/2013 11:34:33 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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I think the FBI agent, who did go to the hospital for injuries, is of greater benefit to us than this chechen who had most likely participated in slitting the throats of several people and had a history of violence in public and bomber friends.

It is quite easy for me to believe the chechen went for the agent and was killed for it. Doesn't matter to me if he was armed or not.

41 posted on 05/31/2013 11:49:38 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

Most likely?

That’s a pretty tight standard you have there.

Tell me, how is what you are doing any different than the college students who signed a card thanking the IRS for taking corrupt actions and abusing its power against conservative groups whom those college students perceive as political threats?

You are approving the FBI taking action against and then providing false information over that action, which resulted in the man’s death, because you perceive him to be a threat due to his nationality?

What if that man they shot to death was your son?


42 posted on 05/31/2013 11:57:59 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: MarMema

So you think we should ignore our Constitution, Bill of Rights and rule of law?

Are you sure you are on the right website?


43 posted on 05/31/2013 11:58:39 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: CottShop

I am calm. Are you?


44 posted on 05/31/2013 12:01:17 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: ansel12
The nationality carries with it a certain brazen confidence that I have just not seen elsewhere. Therefore I believe he attempted to attack the FBI agent, bare hands, knife, went for his gun, and was shot in the process.

It's good enough for me. Stop making this slimeball a victim of our FBI.

"there is no such thing as a chechen civilian"

45 posted on 05/31/2013 12:03:15 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: CottShop

The fact that he was not engaged in any terrorist activity when he was shot nor did he have any hostages at the time he was shot?

It would also appear that the agent’s report is unraveling, otherwise this thread and the story it links to would not exist, now would they?


46 posted on 05/31/2013 12:05:36 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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Slitting throats is a specialty for them.

Oh please. Vanessa Redgrave is alive and well.

The law enforcement official told the Times that the shooting occurred after Todashev acknowledged involvement in the murder and implicated Tsarnaev to the FBI agent and one of the detective. As the 27-year-old began writing a statement admitting his involvement, the official said, he flipped the table and knocked the FBI agent to the ground. From The New York Times: While trying to stand up, the agent, who suffered a wound to his face from the table that required stitches, drew his gun and saw Mr. Todashev running at him with a metal pole, according to the official, adding that it might have been a broomstick.

47 posted on 05/31/2013 12:06:39 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: ladyjane
The Chechen man killed by an FBI agent while being questioned about his relationship with Boston Bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev had knocked the agent to the ground and ran at him with a metal pole before being shot, a senior law enforcement official briefed on the matter told The New York Times. The official account came hours after the father of Ibragim Todashev presented photographs of his son’s bullet-ridden body and accused U.S. officials of murdering his son.
48 posted on 05/31/2013 12:08:36 PM PDT by MarMema
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I thought he said it was a knife or a samuri sword.

Now its a metal pole or a broom handle?

What weapon was actually recovered from the hand of the dead suspect after he was shot and entered as evidence?


49 posted on 05/31/2013 12:09:35 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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Mr. Todashev, according to the F.B.I., confessed to his involvement in the deaths and implicated Mr. Tsarnaev. He then started to write a statement admitting his involvement while sitting at a table across from the agent and one of the detectives when the agent briefly looked away, the official said. At that moment, Mr. Todashev picked up the table and threw it at the agent, knocking him to the ground. While trying to stand up, the agent, who suffered a wound to his face from the table that required stitches, drew his gun and saw Mr. Todashev running at him with a metal pole, according to the official, adding that it might have been a broomstick. The agent fired several shots at Mr. Todashev, striking him and knocking him backward. But Mr. Todashev again charged at the agent. The agent fired several more shots at Mr. Todashev, killing him. The detective in the room did not fire his weapon, the official said.

Here is who you are defending...
"This relationship was of central interest to the agents who questioned Ibragim, Mr. Todashev said, adding that his son told them he did not believe the Tsarnaev brothers were guilty. “He did not believe the Tsarnaevs did this,” he said. “He said they had been set up. These were his exact words.”

Chronic victimhood of radical islamics. Tell it to the Serbs.

50 posted on 05/31/2013 12:15:02 PM PDT by MarMema
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