Answers needed in death of Tamerlan Tsarnaev acquaintance

Washington Post ^ | May 30, 2013

[Mount Athos]

Last week, a team of FBI agents and Massachusetts police officers questioned Ibragim Todashev, an associate of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings who was killed days after that calamity.

One of the agents left the interview with minor injuries. Mr. Todashev was carted out with, apparently, several bullet holes in his body. We say

[MarMema]

I think the FBI agent, who did go to the hospital for injuries, is of greater benefit to us than this chechen who had most likely participated in slitting the throats of several people and had a history of violence in public and bomber friends.

It is quite easy for me to believe the chechen went for the agent and was killed for it. Doesn't matter to me if he was armed or not.

[chris37]

Most likely?

That’s a pretty tight standard you have there.

Tell me, how is what you are doing any different than the college students who signed a card thanking the IRS for taking corrupt actions and abusing its power against conservative groups whom those college students perceive as political threats?

You are approving the FBI taking action against and then providing false information over that action, which resulted in the man’s death, because you perceive him to be a threat due to his nationality?

What if that man they shot to death was your son?

[ladyjane]

So you think we should ignore our Constitution, Bill of Rights and rule of law?

Are you sure you are on the right website?

[chris37]

I am calm. Are you?

[MarMema]

The nationality carries with it a certain brazen confidence that I have just not seen elsewhere. Therefore I believe he attempted to attack the FBI agent, bare hands, knife, went for his gun, and was shot in the process.

It's good enough for me. Stop making this slimeball a victim of our FBI.

"there is no such thing as a chechen civilian"

[chris37]

The fact that he was not engaged in any terrorist activity when he was shot nor did he have any hostages at the time he was shot?

It would also appear that the agent’s report is unraveling, otherwise this thread and the story it links to would not exist, now would they?

[MarMema]

Slitting throats is a specialty for them.

Oh please. Vanessa Redgrave is alive and well.

The law enforcement official told the Times that the shooting occurred after Todashev acknowledged involvement in the murder and implicated Tsarnaev to the FBI agent and one of the detective. As the 27-year-old began writing a statement admitting his involvement, the official said, he flipped the table and knocked the FBI agent to the ground. From The New York Times: While trying to stand up, the agent, who suffered a wound to his face from the table that required stitches, drew his gun and saw Mr. Todashev running at him with a metal pole, according to the official, adding that it might have been a broomstick.

[MarMema]

The Chechen man killed by an FBI agent while being questioned about his relationship with Boston Bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev had knocked the agent to the ground and ran at him with a metal pole before being shot, a senior law enforcement official briefed on the matter told The New York Times. The official account came hours after the father of Ibragim Todashev presented photographs of his son’s bullet-ridden body and accused U.S. officials of murdering his son.

[chris37]

I thought he said it was a knife or a samuri sword.

Now its a metal pole or a broom handle?

What weapon was actually recovered from the hand of the dead suspect after he was shot and entered as evidence?

[MarMema]

Mr. Todashev, according to the F.B.I., confessed to his involvement in the deaths and implicated Mr. Tsarnaev. He then started to write a statement admitting his involvement while sitting at a table across from the agent and one of the detectives when the agent briefly looked away, the official said. At that moment, Mr. Todashev picked up the table and threw it at the agent, knocking him to the ground. While trying to stand up, the agent, who suffered a wound to his face from the table that required stitches, drew his gun and saw Mr. Todashev running at him with a metal pole, according to the official, adding that it might have been a broomstick. The agent fired several shots at Mr. Todashev, striking him and knocking him backward. But Mr. Todashev again charged at the agent. The agent fired several more shots at Mr. Todashev, killing him. The detective in the room did not fire his weapon, the official said.

Here is who you are defending...
"This relationship was of central interest to the agents who questioned Ibragim, Mr. Todashev said, adding that his son told them he did not believe the Tsarnaev brothers were guilty. “He did not believe the Tsarnaevs did this,” he said. “He said they had been set up. These were his exact words.”

Chronic victimhood of radical islamics. Tell it to the Serbs.

[MarMema]

Who cares? Maybe you can write for Kavkaz in your spare time, they can use an apologist like you.

I used to hang out on a chechen list of apologists and terrorists. Once someone posted they had disemboweled an infant in front of the Russian mother and had video of it. The overwhelming requests for copies of that video sickened me for many days.

These people are going to take down this country using our own laws against us. CAIR is already on this. Whose side are you on, did you say?

Reminds me of when the Russians flattened Grozny and all the foreigners rushed in to help the poor chechens. Some of them lasted awhile before they were beheaded by the same chechens they went there to help.

[MarMema]

grimmest industry

Chechen fighters have been very active in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and are respected for their tradecraft by our military forces. They consistently exhibit the best martial and technical abilities encountered there, and on several occasions have taken on the best we have in stand up gunfights. They are also well known for providing an expert instructor corps to other Islamofascist groups seeking more lethal capabilities.

[chris37]

"there is no such thing as a chechen civilian"

"Git some! Git some! Git some, yeah, yeah, yeah! Anyone who runs, is a VC. Anyone who stands still, is a well-disciplined VC!"

Is that how it works for you?

[chris37]

Cool story, bro.

You know, no matter how bad a suspect is or is not, if the cop murders him and lies about it, then the cop is bad too.

We are going to take down our own country with dishonesty. We do not need nay help from the Chechens.

[MarMema]

They say ignorance is bliss. May you always feel as safe as you do now. I mean that sincerely.

[MarMema]

I think this was posted here but I don't have the FR link

I just recall thinking *finally*, someone else gets it.

"this is the type of mentality the Tsarnaevs have, and Americans are completely clueless to it"

let me know if you can make it through the video.

[chris37]

I don’t feel safe.

Furthermore, I am not defending the Chechen, he’s dead, he doesn’t require any defense.

I’m defending us. We live in a country run by bad men, and their laws are enforced by bad men.

Was the Chechen a terrorist? Maybe. I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure now though, because he was murdered by our government.

What if our government adds others to its definition of terrorist? Can it kill them and lie about the circumstances too?

I think so.

You still have not answered my question either.

What weapon was actually retrieved from the dead Chechen’s hands after he was shot?

I’ve seen four descriptions of what it might have been.

What was it?

[MarMema]

Well I wasn't in the room and neither were you so we will never know absolutely. You just have to make a call and believe what you find to be believeable.

For me the fact that the guy was a chechen sends me running to believe the FBI. Or to thank them. Sometimes political correctness gone amuk leads to other things. In this story however, I have no problem believing the chechen went for the agent, and got up after being shot and went after him again. It's just so very "chechen" to read that. It instantly strikes home for me as completely in character.

The FBI has always been darned conservative though. I recall reading The Informant and being fairly impressed.

[chris37]

We would know absolutely if the FBI was absolutely truthful, and it is not. Therein lies the problem.

I wouldn’t have had a problem believe he went for the agent if it hadn’t come out that the agent has apparently lied about what happened.

I cannot give the benefit of the doubt to a liar. What this agent has done has harmed the FBI.

Imagine if this agent had shot to death a Tea Party member, lied about the circumstances of that shooting, and then a liberal said I can believe that agent had to shoot the tea Party member because they are such dangerous people, and if he lied about the circumstances, I don’t care.

[ansel12]

Well idiot, don't accuse me of trying to make him a victim when I am one of the rational Americans wanting to know what happened during that discussion in that apartment.

In the meantime, you can quit playing weirdo drama queen and quit trying to stop any questioning from the public, especially the conservative public, into what happened there.

We need to know if he was, accidently killed? murdered by the FBI? wrongly killed by FBI incompetence? Killed while attacking an agent? We need to know what our FBI did in that apartment, and why and did it cost us intelligence, and why the conflicting reports and the non disclosure.

There should be ZERO confusion, false reports, and lack of a calm explanation for what happened during an FBI discussion with a guy in his apartment with city cops and agents both watching.