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White House defense: Visitor logs too unreliable to reveal whether Shulman visited 157 times
The Daily Caller ^ | 5-31-2013 | Vince Coglianese

Posted on 06/01/2013 8:45:42 AM PDT by smoothsailing

May 31, 2013

White House defense: Visitor logs too unreliable to reveal whether Shulman actually visited 157 times

Vince Coglianese

The White House on Friday pushed back against news that former IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman visited the White House at least 157 times from 2009 to 2012.

Shulman is a central figure in the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups, having led the agency while those groups were singled out for harassment.

When challenged last week by congressional investigators about just 118 of the 157 apparent White House visits, Shulman did not dispute the number, only identifying several reasons why he visited so often.

“Um, the Easter Egg Roll with my kids,” Shulman said. “Questions about the administrability of tax policy they were thinking of; our budget; us helping the Department of Education streamline application processes for financial aid.”

The Daily Caller first reported on Thursday that White House visitor access records show “Douglas Shulman” with 157 publicly disclosed visits in that time frame. By comparison, no Obama cabinet member comes close in terms of publicly disclosed visits.

The liberal Atlantic website published a piece Friday morning speculating that the number of Shulman’s actual White House visits could be as low as 11, despite widespread coverage of those revelations on Thursday.

“Complicating the picture is the fact that just because a meeting was scheduled and Shulman was cleared to attend it does not mean that he actually went,” wrote The Atlantic, suggesting that Shulman may have skipped out on up to 146 different White House meetings he was expected at — despite his name appearing on the visitors logs for those meetings.

The Atlantic offers no source for that claim, but Dan Pfeiffer — White House senior adviser to the president for strategy and communications — latched onto the article Friday morning on his official White House Twitter account. “Def Worth a Read,” Pfeiffer tweeted, marking the first time the White House has addressed Shulman’s unusually frequent visits.

The claim that White House visitor records might only show information about a visitor’s pre-clearance — and not an actual visit — is not something the White House reveals in its disclosure policy. Additionally, as TheDC has previously reported, not every visit by top administration officials requires that the official physically signs in.

Some visits by top officials are never even noted in the visitors logs. A comparison of the situation room photo from the night of the bin Laden raid — May 1, 2011 — to the visitor logs, for example, shows that several of the officials in the photo never appear in the public access records.

The White House voluntary disclosure policy does reveal that visitor names are often left off the logs for a variety of reasons — listed below — including personal visitors of the president and national security.

While the White House has fought to keep individuals who fall under those exceptions away from the public eye, Friday’s pushback against Shulman’s name appearing 157 times in the logs appears to mark the first time the White House has suggested that visitors who appear in the access records may not have visited at all.

The White House did not respond to The Daily Caller’s multiple requests for comment for clarification, for either this report or Thursday’s.

When asked about Pfeiffer’s tweet in the White House press briefing Friday afternoon, White House Deputy Press Secretary Josh Earnest did not dispute that Shulman visited the White House at least 157 times, only saying that the president was committed to “transparency” and that most of the meetings Shulman attended involved Obamacare.

See the reasons why the White House says it leaves names off the visitors logs:

  1. The White House will not release fields within the access records that implicate personal privacy or law enforcement concerns (e.g., dates of birth, social security numbers, and contact phone numbers); records that implicate the personal safety of EOP staff (their daily arrival and departure); or records whose release would threaten national security interests.

  2. The White House will not release access records related to purely personal guests of the first and second families (i.e., visits that do not involve any official or political business).

  3. The White House will not release access records related to a small group of particularly sensitive meetings (e.g., visits of potential Supreme Court nominees). The White House will disclose each month the number of records withheld on this basis, and it will release such records once they are no longer sensitive.

  4. Visitor information for the Vice President and his staff at the White House Complex will be disclosed pursuant to the policy outlined above. It is not possible, however, to release visitor information for the Vice President’s Residence in an identical format to the White House Complex at this time because the Residence is not equipped with the WAVES and ACR systems that are in place at the White House Complex. The Office of the Vice President will, instead, release the guest lists for official events at the Residence and will also review the Vice President’s and Dr. Biden’s daily schedules and release the names and dates of visitors to the Residence who appear on those schedules. The Vice President’s staff is working with the Secret Service to upgrade the visitor records system at the Residence. When the electronic update is complete, visitor information for the White House Complex and the Residence will be released in a common format.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: benghazi; bho44; bhoirs; dogatmyhomework; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; obamabreakspromises; obamalies; obamascandals; shulman; transparency
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"Some visits by top officials are never even noted in the visitors logs."

1 posted on 06/01/2013 8:45:42 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

STOP! My sides are killing me from laughing.


2 posted on 06/01/2013 8:47:27 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: smoothsailing

So in other words, the kids now running the White Hut haven’t got a clue who the hell is coming and going there?


3 posted on 06/01/2013 8:48:24 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you think ObamaCare is a train wreck, wait until you see the amnesty bill.)
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To: smoothsailing
Visitor logs too unreliable to reveal whether Shulman visited 157 times.
Didn't OJ Clinton's secretary pull some krap with the WH logs to make Lewinsky's visits disappear?
4 posted on 06/01/2013 8:48:25 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: smoothsailing

5 posted on 06/01/2013 8:48:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: smoothsailing

How utterly lame! Obama really expects people to believe this BS?


6 posted on 06/01/2013 8:48:35 AM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: rktman
Yea, right....


7 posted on 06/01/2013 8:49:35 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: smoothsailing

And, yet, the IRS constantly demands detailed logs/books from the people they audit...


8 posted on 06/01/2013 8:49:53 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: smoothsailing
WH: So that would nean he could have been there more than 157 times.

Man..are you guys stupid or what

9 posted on 06/01/2013 8:50:05 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: smoothsailing

The White House-—one of the most secure buildings in the world. Guards everywhere.

And we are supposed to believe they cannot keep an accurate long book.

If the log book isn’t accurate why do they keep one at all?
Why do they hire people who cannot keep a logbook?

This is another Lie that we are supposed to believe.
If the log book is inaccurate I say it is because they don’t want it to be accurate.


10 posted on 06/01/2013 8:50:32 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: smoothsailing

Maybe Shulman was meeting with the president of the SEIU, who also had over a hundred visits to the Oval Office.

No wonder The Worst President doesn’t know anything about anything, He doesn’t meet with visitors to his office.


11 posted on 06/01/2013 8:50:32 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: smoothsailing

Sounds like it was MORE (certainly not less). And probably about more things that Democrats care about, than Easter Eggs.


12 posted on 06/01/2013 8:50:55 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: oh8eleven

I think the secretary let her through without signing in...


13 posted on 06/01/2013 8:53:38 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: smoothsailing
So they put down instances when he was there, when he wasn't?

I would think it possible the other way around (forgetting to note he was there when he was) but not to make up who was there when he was not, but... waitaminnit.... Is this satire??

(its so hard to tell anymore)

14 posted on 06/01/2013 8:54:01 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: smoothsailing
The most common error on logs would be omitting someone who actually came in. If he was recorded 157 times, it is probably a few more. But nobody is going to pick the IRS commissioner and record extra visits.
15 posted on 06/01/2013 8:54:36 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: txrefugee

The log needs a better look see....like who else signed in on the same days. I just doubt that it was one on one.


16 posted on 06/01/2013 8:55:22 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: smoothsailing

It taps out to about once a week.


17 posted on 06/01/2013 8:55:45 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
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To: Venturer

I have to believe there is video of EVERYONE coming and going.


18 posted on 06/01/2013 8:56:13 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Mr. K

you beat me by 45 seconds. Great minds...............


19 posted on 06/01/2013 8:56:25 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Mr. K

It’s all mumbo jumbo from the White Hut. Shulman was precleared 157 times or something. Just another pointless distraction by Team Kenya. He was at the WH a lot and has yet to ‘splain what he was doing there on a weekly basis.


20 posted on 06/01/2013 8:58:00 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: txnativegop
How utterly lame! Obama really expects people to believe this BS?

Most people will believe it, or at least thing it's plausible enough to let Obama off the hook.

If Obama issued a statement saying the problem is due to misplaced decimal point, and Shulman only visited the White House 1.57 times, people would accept that too.

21 posted on 06/01/2013 8:58:02 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: smoothsailing
When I worked for a defense contractor we had to sign into any secure location we went. Sure, sometimes we would have our clearance information forwarded and then not show up if a meeting was canceled or if we didn't now who would attend so just sent all the potential visitors' info, but that never changed the need to actually sign on the visitors' log when we showed up.

I expect that the White House would be much, much more strict that the defense locations I went to, so I call BS on this whole thing. About the only possibility is people getting special access without signing in the log, but that means 157 would be the minimum number of times Shulman went to the White House.

22 posted on 06/01/2013 8:58:35 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

They could invite Lady Gaga, all the wrestlers from WWE, and even some dead voters into the White House....no one would really know.


23 posted on 06/01/2013 9:00:31 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: KarlInOhio

I believe if Shulman was a personal guest of the kenyan that visit wouldn’t even be in the logs.


24 posted on 06/01/2013 9:01:35 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Leaning Right

Gee! Thanks for just dropping me into the gutter of despair. (sobbing uncontrollably) LOL.


25 posted on 06/01/2013 9:01:42 AM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: rktman

'Some visits by top officials are never even noted in the visitors logs. A comparison of the situation room photo from the night of the bin Laden raid — May 1, 2011 — to the visitor logs, for example, shows that several of the officials in the photo never appear in the public access records."

26 posted on 06/01/2013 9:02:39 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

This is getting really stupid.


27 posted on 06/01/2013 9:03:30 AM PDT by mom.mom
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To: smoothsailing

TRANSLATION: “He visited a lot more than 157 times.”


28 posted on 06/01/2013 9:04:01 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the deviants who are the bullies.)
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To: smoothsailing

The next one will be.....the WH knows at least 157 different Douglas Shulmans.


29 posted on 06/01/2013 9:04:59 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: FlingWingFlyer

These people can’t maintain a log of White House visitors, but they are going to control all the details of our healthcare, among other issues. Go figure............


30 posted on 06/01/2013 9:06:02 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Travis McGee

I would also like to know who the 2nd, 3rd and 4th people are who visited. Who are they and why did they visit so often?


31 posted on 06/01/2013 9:06:12 AM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (God help the Republic but will he?)
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To: smoothsailing

Hey IRS, I’m not sure I actually earned that income. Can I get a refund? You know I meant to earn the income (I was pre-cleared), but I’m not sure I actually earned it. Give me my money back......


32 posted on 06/01/2013 9:09:54 AM PDT by GotMojo
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
TRANSLATION: “He visited a lot more than 157 times.”

Bingo! We have a winner.

5.56mm

33 posted on 06/01/2013 9:10:00 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: oh8eleven

So maybe the 157 times was maybe not the right figure?

Could it be....the actual number was MUCH, MUCH higher, almost a daily occurrence, perhaps?

Nowhere is it recorded that Rush Limbaugh has visited the WH even ONCE during the term of the Current Occupant.

Yet Rush has been living rent-free inside their heads all this time.


34 posted on 06/01/2013 9:12:17 AM PDT by alloysteel (If you want to see the true measure of a man, watch how he treats his inferiors, not his equals.)
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To: smoothsailing

hummm! are they suggesting one cannot trust the Secret Service documents??


35 posted on 06/01/2013 9:13:02 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: smoothsailing; All

I’m confused.

Aren’t sign in and guest logs admissible in courts of laws to establish alibis. Or used as exhibits to establish guide and time lines in either prosecution or defense?

And wouldn’t there be a receptionist of sorts to monitor said logs? Especially at such a fine, tax funded establishment as the White House?

Keep up the hearing and investigations. Soon there will be so many small fires blazing the White House will trip over itself with the size, number and enormity of their flat out silly lies!


36 posted on 06/01/2013 9:13:20 AM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Resident FReeper Kitty Poem /Haiku Guy)
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To: rktman

Right. There I’d NO RECORD of who attended meetings at the White Hut.


37 posted on 06/01/2013 9:13:32 AM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Travis McGee

Shulman


38 posted on 06/01/2013 9:14:29 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: All

the defense for corruption and violation of federal statutes is “we’re just too effing dumb to keep accurate records”..


39 posted on 06/01/2013 9:14:42 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: smoothsailing

3rd world executive branch bump for later....


40 posted on 06/01/2013 9:16:42 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: txnativegop
How utterly lame! Obama really expects people to believe this BS?

This pablum is not for the "people" to digest, it's for the media to regurgitate enough for them to have talking points to refute the GOP legitimate questions..

Do you really think this administration care what the "people" think ?

41 posted on 06/01/2013 9:16:49 AM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: Toespi
The next one will be.....the WH knows at least 157 different Douglas Shulmans.

Or the driver from the local Domino's Pizza is named Doug Shulman.

42 posted on 06/01/2013 9:17:31 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: Popman

Of course not, but I try to optimistic in such cases, silly of me, I know.


43 posted on 06/01/2013 9:19:18 AM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: smoothsailing

Clinton aide Josh Steiner said he lied to his diary, and now we have the Obama administration saying they lied to their visitor log.


44 posted on 06/01/2013 9:20:37 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: smoothsailing

As usual, the Obozo BULL$HIT machine is working just fine.


45 posted on 06/01/2013 9:21:14 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Popman

I see what you are saying, but, this is so absurd. They are saying that the visitor logs are not reliable records of who has visited the White House? Really? They expect their allies in the media to believe this?? And repeat this in the news with a straight face???

I find it hard to believe that repeating the lie that the White House visitor records are not reliable will really refute any legitimate GOP questions. Then again, I’m not liberal, so I can’t make sense out of any of this.


46 posted on 06/01/2013 9:21:34 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: smoothsailing

Just one more proof of the incompetence of the Obama administration.


47 posted on 06/01/2013 9:23:40 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: txnativegop

My God, he has consistent treated the IRS as a political part of the Treasury. Just on the face of it, this is collusion between him and a supposed independent official.


48 posted on 06/01/2013 9:32:41 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: rktman

LOL!!! Then what good, might I ask, are these supposed record of visits logs??? More Obama BS!!! Obama...criminal in the White House!!!


49 posted on 06/01/2013 9:34:39 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: smoothsailing

you know how bad things are when they would rather have you think they are a bunch of incompetent fools than tell the truth


50 posted on 06/01/2013 9:34:53 AM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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