Skip to comments.Istanbul: Violence in Large Protest; Erdogan Defiant
Posted on 06/01/2013 2:18:30 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
Police in the Turkish city of Istanbul have pulled out of Taksim square, where the largest anti-government protests in years are taking place.
Thousands of people are gathered in the square after days of violence sparked by plans to redevelop a nearby park. Police have fired tear gas and water cannon several times to break up the riots, and rioters have thrown rocks at police.
Turkey's President Abdullah Gul has called for common sense to prevail, admitting that the Taksim square protests had reached a worrisome level. He called on all sides to be "mature", urging police to "act in proportion.
The clashes subsided Saturday afternoon, according to CNN, but protests spread to several other cities, including the capital Ankara and the port city of Izmir.
The protesters say the park is one of the few green spaces left in Istanbul, and that the government is ignoring their appeals for it be saved. The protest began as a sit-in in the park, but turned violent Friday as police fired tear gas .
The BBC quotes correspondents who say that what was initially a local issue has spiraled into widespread anti-government unrest and anger over the perceived 'Islamization' of Turkey.
One woman told Agence France-Presse: "They want to turn this country into an Islamist state, they want to impose their vision all the while pretending to respect democracy."
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Did you know there are other sources of news on that internet thingy?
Or are you paid to promote this single source?
“They want to turn this country into an Islamist state, they want to impose their vision all the while pretending to respect democracy.”
Duh. You got what you voted for. We got obozo. The difference grows smaller.
Looking at the pics of protestors, I see a lot of people waving red flags. In a battle between Islamists and Communists, there’s nobody to root for.
Same as Iran.
A Tutkish Spring?
The flag of Turkey is red:
Another image of the protesters:
People are tired of the Islamist telling them how to live their lives...this isn’t a bad thing.
Yes, but when will they come to realize that "Islamist" and "Mulsim" are the same thing. The only way any society can be liberated from the tyranny of "Islamists" is for it to completely repudiate Islam.
Who will they blame for this? Jews? Christians? George Bush?
and what do you think Turks will convert their entire culture and society to? liberal European secularism? the pre-Islamic Turkic and Mongol shaman religions?
All of the above.
Anything would be better than moslemism or islamism.
As communists, these people aspire to become bureaucrats telling everybody else how to live their lives. Both groups hate us. It's really not that different.
We must send over Festivus missionaries, equipped with Seinfeld on DVD. That and a Scientology franchiser. I’m not sure they’re ready for a normal religion.
Some crazy video from there today. The police ran over a protester with an “assault vehicle” and the mob rushed it and possibly pushed it over.
The hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees who continue to flood into Turkey must be hurting the country’s economy — a situation that must be provoking at least some of Turkey’s unrest.
But at least it’s only been refugees crossing into Turkey. If it hadn’t been for Israel’s destruction of Syria’s chemical weapons factory, clouds of deadly sarin gas could have joined the Syria-to-Turkey exodus.
Turkey’s prime minister needs to stop worrying about urban parks and join Israel in saving the Middle East from the growing destruction the Syrian civil war is visiting upon it.
They riot over renovating a park,
Yet we can’t seem to pull together a protest over Benghazi, The Constitutional Abuses by the IRS, The DOJ, The EPA, and Obamacare.
What’s wrong with this picture?
Tough call but I can’t think of any recent society that is worse than islam. Bass ackwards to the hilt, barbaric, pedophiles, women abuse and worshiping a satanic figure is hard to beat.
Turkey was previously Christian. They should go back to True Faith
People of the religion of peace seems to be a bit upset at their dear leaders.
Those red flags are the Turkish flag representing the anti-theocratic secularist Turkish state, who are battling forces hell bent on making Turkey a new Afghanistan or Iran. In this battle, it is a complete and total no brainer who to root for.
Wow, the women protesting don;t look like they are dressed up in hefty bags....
At least commies don’t mutilate their girls with razors when they are little.....
"....no, you can't go back to Constantinople..."
Those are Turkish flags: they happen to be red. I was in Taksim Square on Saturday: this is quite the opposite of Syria, Egypt or Libya. The people out protesting here are absolutely NOT Islamists (and certainly not communists: there are a very small minority of these here, but probably less proportionally than there are in the US), or indeed particularly religious at all. It’s Erdogan’s government which is trying to impose religious law here (banning alcohol sales last week - a deeply unpopular move in Istanbul, as well as trying to alter the constitution to allow himself to remain in office) and the people who are trying to fight back.
In short, this is the opposite of Syria, Egypt or Libya: an Islamist government attempting to impose religious law on a secular population who don’t want it and aren’t interested in it.
If he does not look out he nay be in for a "Ceaucescu"
“In a battle between Islamists and Communists, theres nobody to root for.”
The main difference between the two is that the first one is much like the other and the other is much like the first one.
She has lots of information and links I am sure.
A fair question. Likewise, some forum members post stories always on one topic. One freeper got unfair criticism for always posting stories about Pit Bull attacks ... the Dogs of Peace, they nearly killed someone in Sydney just this week.
I think it is good that some people favor one source, or one topic. If one wants a digest of that news, one can just check their posts. And if one doesn't like it, one can give it the go by.
Don't you have anything better to do than harass half the people who post here ? Just how much is the other side paying you to cause trouble here and trying to chase other people away ? What the hell is wrong with you BOY ?
Who’s the communists? Most of the people demonstrating are adherants of Mustafa Kemal Attuturk and are secular or non-Islamist. Basically, city dwellers that want to live the Western lifestyle and not be told what color lipstick they can wear, that they can’t kiss in public, or can have a drink with their friends and not be called alcoholics. Where are you getting the communist part from? Curious....
You are sooooo right. Must be a sign of the times, there’s a lot of snapping going on. At least that’s all I hope it is. I’m not jewish, but I do read Arutz Sheva from time to time, it’s Israeli National News:
Interestingly Ataturk was a descendant of Shabbatai Zevi as was Jacob Frank (both Turks), the ideological progenitor of what became the Bund der Gerechten, the force behind Marx himself. That legacy remains active in Turkey today.
However, the average Turk isn’t a Marxist, and Marxists or Communists are held in low regard...they’re Nationalist’s with a respect for Atuturk and just want the damn government out of their lives and dictating how they should live their life...sound familiar to our situation? And yes, the rural population are pro-AKP, because they’ve been given handouts, which is also familiar to our situation...How are you tying Ataturk to Communism? Again, the article you show in the previous post specifies that he curtailed/restricted/banned their activities and the left-wing Communists are very few in number there...as has been my experience.
When Lenin took over Russia what was the percentage of Bolsheviks and Mensheviks? Less than 10 percent. Are your 'we want to be left alone' (WWTBLA) types organized? The TKP is (and they even have a page in English, isn't that nice?). Do your WWTBLA party types have flags and signs with which to build identity? No, but the CHP is showing up for LGBT rights! Hmmm, that's going to be a real winner with your WWTBLA "party."
The last castle of democracy in Turkey, the opposition, is officially under siege. MHP is marginalized and intimidated by sex scandals. BDP lives under the threat of a closure case. CHP is next. That leaves... who? TKP.
Take your blinders off; I think this is bigger than mere WWTBLA. For example, if you think the Kurds aren't looking to take advantage of this both in Turkey and Iraq, I've got news for youse. PKK's leader Abdullah Öcalan was trained by KGB-FSB, and they're funded by drug money.
I'm not claiming to be any expert on Turkish politics, but I've got a very good nose for this type of intrigue and it looks to me like backing either side is fraught with peril, just as in Syria, albeit for different reasons. So if you think "we should do something," just remember who's in charge of "we." Communist or Islamist, I don't want Zero anywhere near this mess.
I don’t think we should do anything whatsoever and for the record, I don’t have blinders on...the Turks will sort this out on their own. Unlike us, they will pry themselves away from Turkish Idol and get off their ass and do something. Might not be an overthrow of AKP, but maybe significant weakening of the PM. I was there during the last 2 martial law periods and when they finally get enough of Islamists or Communists, they usually are pretty effective at it, however bloody. Unfortunately, many of their Generals/Colonels are in prison but I believe there are enough in the military that have also had enough of the situation. That’s the big question..which way will the military lean..has enough top officers been imprisoned to head off a revolt?
I know about the PKK backing and ideology but they are extremely weak right now and I don’t believe they can exploit this at all. Maybe in years past...and the Kurds in Northern Iraq (the regime) I believe are satisfied with the current arrangements and are unable militarily to do anything even if they wanted to.
As usual, while no party can stand up and hold the banner for the WWTBLA’s, the Marxists/Communists will get no significant support out of this. Again, while the average Turk isn’t Islamist, they are certainly not fans of the TKP crowd and would turn on them quick if they get out of hand, as they have in the past. They’re more akin to the Occupy movement...they may be accepted during these events and allowed to participate, but only for this event to add numbers...in my humble opinion...