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Turkey protests: Clashes rage in Istanbul's Besiktas (REVOLT AGAINST ISLAMISM)
BBC News ^ | 6/3/2013 | bbc

Posted on 06/03/2013 12:04:58 AM PDT by Nextrush

Turkish protestors have clashed with police in Istanbul overnight, in some of the worst violence since unrest erupted three days ago.

Protesters in Beskitas district tore up paving stones to build barricades, and police responded with tear gas and water cannon.

The violence was sparked by plans to build on a city park but have broadened into nationwide anti-government unrest.

Protesters say the Turkish government is becoming increasingly authoritarian.

They fear Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Justice and Development Party (AKP) is trying to impose conservative Islamic values on the officially secular country and infringe on their personal freedoms. correspondents say.

Officials say more than 1,700 people have been arrested in demonstrations in 67 towns and cities, though many have since been released.

Late on Sunday, the White House said in a statement that all parties should "calm the situation" and reaffirmed that peaceful demonstrations were "part of democratic expression."

The US previously criticized the security forces for their initial response to the protest.

Roads sealed off

Mosques, shops and a university in Besiktas were turned into makeshift hospitals for those injured in Sunday night's demonstration.

The BBC's Louise Greenwood in Istanbul says several thousand people took part in the protest outside the recently decommissioned Besiktas football stadium.

She says some of the protesters were coughing violently and vomiting after police fired gas canisters into the crowd.

According to the Turkish Doctors' Association, 484 protesters have been treated in hospitals in Istanbul since Friday.

Nearby, police were also battling to protect the prime minister's office which has become another focal point for the protesters.....

Unrest was also reported in the capital, Ankara, and the western coastal city of Izmir in the west, as well as Adana in the south and Gaziantep in the southeast....

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The big news story from Turkey.

A REVOLT AGAINST ISLAMISM.......

Three talking points not being discussed by the MSM surrounding this story.

1. THIS IS A REVOLT AGAINST AN ELECTED ISLAMIC 'MODERATE' MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD TYPE GOVERNMENT THAT HAS A CLOSE FRIEND NAMED PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

2. THIS IS A REVOLT AGAINST A GOVERNMENT THAT IS SUPPORTING THE REVOLT AGAINST ASSAD IN SYRIA

3. THIS IS A REVOLT AGAINST A GOVERNMENT THAT SUPPORTS HAMAS IN GAZA AND THE PALESTINIANS IN GENERAL AGAINST ISRAEL

1 posted on 06/03/2013 12:04:58 AM PDT by Nextrush
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To: Nextrush

Exactly right. So, where is the media reporting on this? (Crickets chirping)


2 posted on 06/03/2013 12:15:46 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Nextrush

Turkey will beat down the revolt with the help of the islamist in the WH.


3 posted on 06/03/2013 12:23:33 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Nextrush

Deus ex machina?


4 posted on 06/03/2013 12:25:05 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Hardraade

You may be right about that, but I still think Obama is a leftist who wants to hijack Islam and make it subservient to a left-wing agenda.

Obama is clearly best buddies with the Islamic regieme in Turkey who are his allies in dealing with Syria. This Erdogan guy has been agitating for the Palestinians against Israel as well.

But others aren’t happy with that like Iran and Russia.

Are their hands in this situation?????


5 posted on 06/03/2013 12:28:29 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Nextrush

...which side are we routing for here?


6 posted on 06/03/2013 12:32:16 AM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Tzimisce
The one that's on our side, naturally.

Uh...OK, I don't know which one that might be. Neither?

7 posted on 06/03/2013 12:36:09 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Tzimisce

That’s a good one to ask.....

I see Erdogan as strongly anti-Israel as my talking points note and he is also an Islamist in slow motion.

A Brookings Institution wonk who is a Turk says there is no alternative to Erdogan, who is popular and would win an election if it were held today.

I don’t know if there is any side to root for here, but the talking points in Post #1 stand up as my “position” on the situation for now....


8 posted on 06/03/2013 12:41:05 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Nextrush

So right now, we have A Mosque set on fire, and a mass march against islam in the UK. We have angry Buddhists (let THAT sink in for a moment) attacking moslems in Burma for setting a woman on fire. We have Turks revolting aganist the islamism in Turkey. We have Israel announcing that the Palestinians had no intent to ever negotiate in good faith and that Israel is returning to building more west bank settlements.

I think there was always a limit to the tolerance they would be shown unless they knocked off their crap. The moslems have overplayed their hand, and the backlash is starting.

The politicians had better fall into line, or risk the same anger being directed at them.


9 posted on 06/03/2013 1:08:45 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

~~~Exactly right. So, where is the media reporting on this?~~~

The MSM went from covering for their once-beloved Obama, and ignoring stories, to now being afraid their telephones are tapped and their emails sifted through.


10 posted on 06/03/2013 1:13:25 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Hardraade

Pretty much. Expect him to send them some F-16’s or something soon.


11 posted on 06/03/2013 1:14:02 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Nextrush
Endogamy has publicly stated that democracy is just a bus to be ridden to where you want to go, I.e. sharia law and an Islamic republic.
12 posted on 06/03/2013 1:18:15 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Nextrush

Putin is likely to be behind this. The abundance of red banners with hammer and sickles confirms it to me.


13 posted on 06/03/2013 2:49:15 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Tzimisce

Neither side.


14 posted on 06/03/2013 3:12:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Nextrush

I wonder if McCain will go and meet with some of the “freedom fighters”?


15 posted on 06/03/2013 4:01:05 AM PDT by vg0va3
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To: Billthedrill

I’ll wait to see which side Obama really roots for and go against him. It’s the only way to be certain.


16 posted on 06/03/2013 4:17:17 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Nextrush

Israeli-Turkish trade is up lots. Not certain how much that affects the debate but it’s a fact and worthy of inclusion.


17 posted on 06/03/2013 4:22:17 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Nextrush
This is a revolt by the Turkish people who are protesting Erdogan's diminution of "Kemalism" a Turkish form of secular democracy that has served the people well for the last 100+ years.

Erdogan has badly over reached and is now whining about how he is not appreciated. He hasn't long to go before he has to resign.

18 posted on 06/03/2013 4:22:40 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Tzimisce
When you don't know, have a bowl of ice cream.
19 posted on 06/03/2013 4:34:28 AM PDT by Patriot95
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To: Nextrush

So every U.S. newscast will be leading with the “Turkish Spring,” right?


20 posted on 06/03/2013 4:36:51 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: fso301

Are those not Turkish flags?


21 posted on 06/03/2013 6:45:46 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Nextrush
Communist Turkish Spring? Obama's hand in this? Obama and Putin? Here's a photo of the riots in Turkey with stark evidence of the Turkish Communist Party, the TKP. From Wikipedia: "The Communist Party of Turkey (Türkiye Komünist Partisi, TKP) is a political party in Turkey." Türkiye Komünist Partisi (TKP)

Hammer and sicles everywhere. Obama is a muslim when he wants to be, but he's a communist at heart. Which way Obama? . . And he's the President of our United States. Thanks LoFo's. .

22 posted on 06/03/2013 6:48:33 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: fso301

I see what you’re saying. You’re probably right.


23 posted on 06/03/2013 6:57:30 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Nextrush
TALKING TURKEY about OBAMA by Joel J. Sprayregen

“Experience in Egypt and Gaza shows that Brotherhood rule is destructive to democracy and indigenous to Christians.”

“…Erdogan maneuvers to install an Islamist regime in Damascus.”

“…Erdogan brazenly sounded a defiant note when, answering a reporter, he said he would visit Hamas-ruled Gaza in June.

This visit will contravene US and European Union policy because Hamas is a terrorist group whose stated aim is to annihilate Israel.”

Talking Turkey about Obama

24 posted on 06/03/2013 7:39:57 AM PDT by joygrace
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To: Art in Idaho

Better Red than Mo-ham-ed....

Because communist regimes always collapse under their own weight...


25 posted on 06/03/2013 7:54:05 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: a_Turk; Nextrush

a turk, are you still around here? It would be wonderful to hear from someone who really knows what’s going on.

We know that Erdogan got the military sufficiently infiltrated that he was able to jail the generals who had the courage and stature to intervene as required by the Constitution when Islamists take over, but I don’t know a whole lot more than that.

Thanks in advance.


26 posted on 06/03/2013 8:43:37 AM PDT by Sal (Pres and DOS watched our people get raped + murdered in REAL TIME-did nothing and don't care!)
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To: Stillwaters

Ping. A revolt against Islamism in Damascus. But the protesters appear to be largely of the communist party.


27 posted on 06/03/2013 8:58:22 AM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: DesertRhino

There’s potential trouble in Malaysia, too - the government has been trying to implement “creeping Islamism” for a while and the non-Muslim population is sick of it. Malaysia is like Turkey in that it has a highly-educated, Westernized elite who have no desire to live under Sharia law - and it has the advantage that it has largely retained the British system of courts and law from its colonial days. Islam could be on the verge of taking a major smack in the snout in two relatively wealthy countries. St. Barack can’t be happy with these developments.


28 posted on 06/03/2013 9:03:26 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Nextrush
my friend who's living there told me things don't look too good.
29 posted on 06/03/2013 9:21:33 AM PDT by Drawn7979
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

CNBC actually reported on it with some accuracy.


30 posted on 06/03/2013 9:30:08 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: fso301

The communists are likely orchestrating it. Their goal is bring further instability to the region. Turkey is a powerful NATO ally and if the regime falls to a Chavez it would be good for business...


31 posted on 06/03/2013 9:59:39 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: Nextrush

Turkish Police shoots unarmed protestor then celebrates!
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-981250


32 posted on 06/03/2013 10:03:32 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Nextrush

As an FYI, these protests are being organized by the CHP (Cumhuriyet Halk Partesi), the party initially established by Kemal and Inonu. It is a leftist party that is somewhat the equivalent to Labour in the UK or the SDP in Germany.

They aren’t the friends of conservatives (that would be the ANAP party), but they are also not friends of the communists (they joined NATO and allowed a lot of US presence in that country all through the cold war)

Most important, they are very much so not Islamists.


33 posted on 06/03/2013 10:04:01 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: GraceG
Better Red than Mo-ham-ed.... Because communist regimes always collapse under their own weight...

Interesting point. But ohh the suffering. .

34 posted on 06/03/2013 10:32:31 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Nextrush

The leftists are spinning it as an anti-corporate green revolt and are lamenting that Americans are too complacent to rise up against the corporate anti-gaia power structure.


35 posted on 06/03/2013 11:34:57 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

I heard the protests in Turkey are about some trees in a park...like how Benghazi was about some inflammatory movie. /sarc


36 posted on 06/03/2013 12:02:36 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Fitzy_888; dead; Drawn7979; lonevoice; SunkenCiv
A tumblr post from a native Turk.







Call me cautiously optimistic.

37 posted on 06/03/2013 12:43:10 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.)
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To: markomalley

Cumhuriet Halk Partesi translates into Republic People’s Party. Seems to me every country that has the word People in its title tends to be socialistic in nature


38 posted on 06/03/2013 12:48:54 PM PDT by GusFring
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Actually this story is about a week old. The Euros, Deutsche Welle, as well as Al Jazeera English have covered it pretty well. Since this story version the number of towns with anti gov’t protests has passed 90. And the park conversion part of the story is more serious than implied in most stories-—seems the folks caught dirty hands taking money to get zoning for a commercial mall where a local park is supposed to be and the Istanbuls don’t have very many parks already. If Erdogan doesn’t “snap to” it’s clear that Turkey is going to have its own “spring”. Especially if the Turkops keep gassing the peaceful protesters. Remember how well that worked out for the Egypts. And the Turks aren’t exactly un-armed. The PKK hasn’t gotten around to turning in all its firepower yet for example.


39 posted on 06/03/2013 12:55:05 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Tzimisce

Maybe I can help? Erdogan deserves a US bat right between the eyes. We owe him at least one good swat. Remember he’s the guy who, right after being elected, wouldn’t let us use his southern railroad to supply our troops in northern Irag. So Rumsfeld turned the ships around and sent them thru the Suez to get to Kuwait. That cost us a huge amount of fuel and time. Since Turkey is NATO Bush should have protested but he didn’t ( another one of my problems with Bush). He’s also the guy who was bent on busting the Israelis quarantine of Gaza. While it seems there is no particular group protesting in Turkey, just a bunch of PO’D people, I’m with anybody who can give Erdogan a bloody nose. He’s a certified Islamicdickhead.


40 posted on 06/03/2013 1:10:06 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: DesertRhino

That’s just about right and while Turkey is still mostly Mooslim the population is pretty doggone westernized and they are not a bunch of Islamo-Caliphatist ragheads. Remember they have been exposed to far more western influence than the rest of Asia Minor. From WW II until 1975 we had five military bases there and our guys spread around a lot of Coke and Bluejeans. Now we just have the NATO base at Incirlik but that still represents a lot of western influence and a whole lot of Turks don’t mind having flush terlets. They realize there is a better way of doing business and living than fighting a goat for space in a tent.


41 posted on 06/03/2013 1:31:28 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: dead

This protest drives a wedge between the Left and Islamists.

They are both enemies of Israel and Barack Obama is committed to bringing them together.


42 posted on 06/03/2013 1:51:50 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Nextrush

The problem with this movement is that most Turks want a more Islamist government.

So protestors cannot really base themselves on being for “democracy” as it is usually defined. Another election will probably give the President a larger majority.

In the Muslim world, democracy (in the sense of free elections) is in direct conflict with freedom for the individual. And we are so focused on the notion that democracy = freedom that nobody wants to address how to deal with the very real conflict.


43 posted on 06/03/2013 1:56:33 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: markomalley

The CHP Party is definitely involved in these protests.

That’s worth noting.

Its not all a bunch of communists, but in this situation they show up to help out and bring their street rioting expertise with scarves and Maalox to spray as an anti-gas irritant, barricade building etc.

Islamist Erdogan is a friend of Obama, he was at the WH two weeks ago being ‘hailed by the chief”.


44 posted on 06/03/2013 1:58:02 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Nextrush

I’ve been reading that Erdogan has been making subtle provocative jesters beyond the graft and curbing civil liberties. Renaming a bridge for a sultan of the Ottoman Empire and plans to reconstruct a historic Ottoman barracks to commemorate the caliphate.

Erdogan is an agitator like Obama, it’s probably why they get on so well.


45 posted on 06/03/2013 2:22:28 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Nextrush

Where’s Betzelem with the creative camera work? Oh. They don’t do real oppression by a real tyranny. Could get hurt.


46 posted on 06/03/2013 4:29:57 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Stillwaters
Ping. A revolt against Islamism in Damascus. But the protesters appear to be largely of the communist party.

Correct that. I meant to type "Istanbul", but I had Damascus on my mind.

47 posted on 06/03/2013 5:20:04 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: fso301
Putin is likely to be behind this.

That is my thought, also.

48 posted on 06/03/2013 6:37:42 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: Nextrush

I haven’t had a pony in this race since the Byzantine Empire went kaput.


49 posted on 06/03/2013 8:58:47 PM PDT by ClaudiusI
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To: Nextrush; a fool in paradise

I’ll hafta change my summer travel plans and go to Constantinople instead!


50 posted on 06/03/2013 9:00:42 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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