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John Kerry Praises New UN Gun Treaty Could Lead to National Registry
Gateway Pundit ^ | June 3, 2013 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 06/03/2013 12:40:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Secretary of State John Kerry welcomed the opening of Arms Trade Treaty for signature today.

The Obama administration plans on signing the treaty “as soon as the process of conforming the official translations is completed satisfactorily.”

The United Nations passed sweeping legislation in April that will regulate the international arms trade and could lead to a national gun registry in the United States.

No wonder Democrats love it!

There’s more… In March the pro-Second Amendment Senate Bill 139 passed 53-46. 46 Democratic Senators voted against the bill which would: “Uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.”

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How do they get this without the Senate? Buehler? Buehler?
1 posted on 06/03/2013 12:40:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No worries, it’s just that 2 time gigolo Kerry.


2 posted on 06/03/2013 12:42:15 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They (the president) can sign wall paper for all I care. Without senate confirmation, the signature is meaningless.
3 posted on 06/03/2013 12:42:36 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

(D)istrict of (C)riminals


4 posted on 06/03/2013 12:42:55 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (Inbred, pedophile-worshipping, misogynists (mozlums) offend me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It has no force of law without the Senate ratifying it and no matter what anyone says... that is the truth. I do not think that they have nearly enough votes to pass it in the Senate.

LLS

5 posted on 06/03/2013 12:43:51 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Must be ratified. It is not ratified


6 posted on 06/03/2013 12:47:02 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

2/3 vote needed to ratify.

Even if ratified, the notion that a treaty overrides the Constitution is just plain untrue.

2A is unaffected by a treaty.


7 posted on 06/03/2013 12:47:11 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: LibLieSlayer

Further, no treaty does anything without enabling legislation, and that requires the House to get involved.


8 posted on 06/03/2013 12:47:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am sure someone, somewhere, at some time, has been killed by ketchup.

Time for a national registry....


9 posted on 06/03/2013 12:47:43 PM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They can pass all the frakking treaties they want. I am not bound by anything that is an abridgement of my natural rights.


10 posted on 06/03/2013 12:47:49 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: Sherman Logan

you mean the same way the state department ordered the 3d printer designer to stop all distribution of PLANS due to an arms TREATY?


11 posted on 06/03/2013 12:48:18 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Sherman Logan

Absolutely!

LLS


12 posted on 06/03/2013 12:48:36 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I swear, it often seems as if the left in this country wants us to water the Tree of Liberty.
13 posted on 06/03/2013 12:49:15 PM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"How do they get this without the Senate? Buehler? Buehler?"

They don't. It's just like how Clinton signed the Kyoto global warming treaty but the Senate went on to reject it 98-0. Budda's signature was meaningless.

14 posted on 06/03/2013 12:51:00 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
They (the president) can sign wall paper for all I care. Without senate confirmation, the signature is meaningless.

It's my understanding that President's in the past have said they would abide by the terms of treaties that have been signed and not ratified. However, this is pretty much the President just saying they will direct executive branch agencies to abide by the terms of their own treaty as long as it doesn't conflict with existing law. It has no legal standing. So Obama couldn't, say, direct an agency to create a national registry and then use this unratified treaty as a defense in court.

15 posted on 06/03/2013 12:52:35 PM PDT by apillar
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To: muawiyah

And then there’s the whole ‘getting the people to comply’ problem.


16 posted on 06/03/2013 12:54:22 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: longtermmemmory

Did the 3d printer guy fight it in court? Any agency can order anybody to do anything, but if challenged in court they must show where they get the authority to enforce the order.

Anyway, I don’t think the case you mention would involve 2A so much as 1A.


17 posted on 06/03/2013 12:54:47 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: LibLieSlayer

And one of the biggest gun grabbers in the Senate assumed room temperature today.


18 posted on 06/03/2013 12:56:34 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Without senate confirmation, the signature is meaningless.

No, it's not. Pursuant to the government's 40 years of illegal adherence to the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, administrative agencies will be committed to not do anything to contravene the treaty, even with just a signature. It's "customary international law."

19 posted on 06/03/2013 12:59:22 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: MrB

skerry is the penultimate Fool.


20 posted on 06/03/2013 1:00:17 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Sherman Logan
Even if ratified, the notion that a treaty overrides the Constitution is just plain untrue.

It's been done for over seventy years, Reid v. Covert notwithstanding.

21 posted on 06/03/2013 1:00:18 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: circlecity
This has the full weight and authority of a document that I made in crayon when I was 5 years old. "yOu kanot plAy om mY sAnd pil without my qeЯяmishun. Ratt if I'D this dAy joOn thuяd. X (hiz maяk)
22 posted on 06/03/2013 1:00:37 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: circlecity
Budda's signature was meaningless.

Is THAT why the EPA went on to regulate carbon emissions without authorization! Who knew?

23 posted on 06/03/2013 1:01:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Sherman Logan
2A is unaffected by a treaty.

Your statement is true, right up to the point of willingness to use force to keep it that way.

25 posted on 06/03/2013 1:03:36 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Since when has the law stopped this tyrant? He has utter contempt for the law if it gets in his way. Executive orders or out right ATF enforcement through policy changes. The tyrant king and his pack of henchman will turn far more nasty and brutal before this is over.


26 posted on 06/03/2013 1:04:25 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: laplata

Now lets see, where is it... [uses laser to fix lone H2O and NaCl molecules] ah, there it is, a tear for that douchebag...


27 posted on 06/03/2013 1:08:06 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Axenolith

LOL!

Yep, was scum of the scum.

The old bastard devoted his entire life to crime.....as a criminal.


28 posted on 06/03/2013 1:11:01 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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A traitorous agenda in my opinion.


29 posted on 06/03/2013 1:11:29 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

0bama is hardly incented to sign treaty that would outlaw arming his jihadi buddies in Syria.


30 posted on 06/03/2013 1:12:35 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't know how many SEAL teams there are, but they are now needed to take action against the treasonous insurgents in our gov't. The country our brave servicemen have fought and died for is being turned on it's head.

Did these men die so we could be stripped of our God-given rights? HELL NO.

31 posted on 06/03/2013 1:14:59 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Carry_Okie

You have an example.

The Constitution says that the Constitution and treaties are the supreme law. Which by logic says that the Constitution outranks a treaty. Otherwise the President and 2/3 of the Senate could amend the Constitution without involving the House or States.


32 posted on 06/03/2013 1:15:34 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: muawiyah

DOA in House. Good point. Plus... it can be adjudicated.

LLS


33 posted on 06/03/2013 1:17:30 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

The Navy SEALs are a small part of the Special Operations community. There are far more Army Green Berets, Force Recon Marines, Army Rangers, Air Force Pararescue and others.


34 posted on 06/03/2013 1:17:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: laplata

Was the high point of my day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


35 posted on 06/03/2013 1:18:12 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: sarge83

Let them do their evil... it will be their eventual undoing... even hitler looked impervious at one point.

LLS


36 posted on 06/03/2013 1:19:50 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Was the high point of my day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You bet!

That scum isn’t up to no good now.


37 posted on 06/03/2013 1:20:48 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Vaquero

You Rang ?


38 posted on 06/03/2013 1:22:19 PM PDT by molson209
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No doubt that a national registry would save lives. Don’t take this as a government takeover of a free nation, THAT is just VRWC talk! It’s been proved time and time again that government confiscation of human freedoms saves lives and if just one life can be saved...


39 posted on 06/03/2013 1:26:21 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Sherman Logan

they folded. (after 100k downloaded it first)


40 posted on 06/03/2013 1:28:14 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: EGPWS

41 posted on 06/03/2013 1:29:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And it doesn’t matter that the Senate will never ratify the treaty.

The Migratory Bird Treaty was never ratified, but we enforce that.

UN Agenda 21 was never ratified after Herbert GW “Daddy” Bush signed it, but it is being implimented nation wide.

This will be implemented to, without any Senate retification.


42 posted on 06/03/2013 1:30:55 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

It has no force of law without the Senate ratifying it and no matter what anyone says... that is the truth. I do not think that they have nearly enough votes to pass it in the Senate.

does the house have to vote also?


43 posted on 06/03/2013 1:32:32 PM PDT by willywill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Could lead to massive non-compliance!


44 posted on 06/03/2013 1:34:41 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Carry_Okie
"Is THAT why the EPA went on to regulate carbon emissions without authorization!"

I'm not sure what your point is. The EPA action was not enabled in any way by the Kyoto accords.

45 posted on 06/03/2013 1:35:34 PM PDT by circlecity
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>>And then there’s the whole ‘getting the people to comply’ problem.

They need to sign the damn thing and then try to enact it through an EO or bureaucratic regulation, so we can get this rebellion thing going before I get too old.


46 posted on 06/03/2013 1:35:38 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am more concern with that pos treaty LOST passing the senate. Thing just will not die.


47 posted on 06/03/2013 1:39:59 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: apillar

The shooting would start before the court heard the case.


48 posted on 06/03/2013 1:40:59 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: willywill

House does not vote on treaties.

Though enabling legislation requires their agreement.


49 posted on 06/03/2013 1:41:51 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Personally I don’t care if lurch approves and senators sign...

Those folks that signed the Declaration will lead me from History to Action. lurch be damned

TT


50 posted on 06/03/2013 1:46:40 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Truth is the new pornography)
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