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Watchdog: IRS agents would not say who ordered targeting program
Fox ^ | 6/3/13 | Fox

Posted on 06/03/2013 5:26:32 PM PDT by Nachum

The watchdog who exposed the IRS' targeting of conservative groups testified Monday that nobody in the Ohio office being blamed for the scandal would tell his investigators who directed the program, as the new IRS chief vowed to "get to the bottom" of that growing question.

Nearly a month after the scandal broke, the issue of who directed agents in Cincinnati to single out Tea Party and other groups is perhaps the most glaring unanswered question. Inspector General J. Russell George, at a House appropriations subcommittee hearing, revealed Monday that his audit of the agency tried -- unsuccessfully -- to get to the root of the targeting.

"We did pose that question and no one would acknowledge who, if anyone, provided that direction," he said.

Danny Werfel, testifying for the first time in his new role as acting IRS commissioner, acknowledged: "We have to get to the bottom of it." However, he also said he has not yet asked who ordered the program.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agents; govtabuse; irs; irsscandal; targeting; watchdog
Getting a little hot in here?
1 posted on 06/03/2013 5:26:32 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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2 posted on 06/03/2013 5:27:09 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

If they wont talk they should be fired and prosecuted.


3 posted on 06/03/2013 5:29:11 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Nachum

Fine. Try and convict all the agents and they can either turn in their superiors or do hard time. In my opinion, they should do both.


4 posted on 06/03/2013 5:29:27 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: driftdiver

Yeppers...they are our employees. I would like to tell my boss I ain’t answering his questions. I would be diggin’ into my prepper stash for sustenance.


5 posted on 06/03/2013 5:30:18 PM PDT by IrishPennant (All warfare is based on deception.)
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To: Nachum

Every single one in this office even remotely associated with the targeting MUST be put under oath.


6 posted on 06/03/2013 5:30:44 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Nachum
don't ask, don't tell... right?
7 posted on 06/03/2013 5:31:05 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Nachum

Subpoenas.

Make them testify under oath.

Make them take the 5th.

Repeatedly.


8 posted on 06/03/2013 5:31:06 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Nachum

Who or what could the IRS agents possibly be afraid of?


9 posted on 06/03/2013 5:33:10 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Nachum

All this illustrates why the IRS needs to be closed.

Smart Tea Party candidates will lrun on the IRS is evil bandwagon. And show the special relationship the DNC and IRS share.


10 posted on 06/03/2013 5:33:15 PM PDT by NoLibZone (None here can be puzzled by why Jews walked into the cars so quietly- we are walking up the planks.)
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To: Nachum
This is not a hard problem to fix.
Did someone order you to single out Tea Party applications?

Yes

Who told you to do so?

I cannot tell you.

Do you have any proof to back up your allegation?

No, I cannot share it with you.

Again, who told you to single out the applications?

I cannot tell you,

Fine, for failing to cooperate in an official investigation, you are hereby suspended without pay pending your dismissal hearing. Surrender your badge to me and this officer will escort you out of the building after giving you 3 minutes to retrieve your personal belongings. You are forbidden to touch the computer.


11 posted on 06/03/2013 5:33:20 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Nachum

Time to remind Cincinnati IRS :

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men should do nothing.”
Edmund Burke, and others


12 posted on 06/03/2013 5:33:56 PM PDT by pioneerstakethearrows
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To: Nachum

A threat of jail time may alter that, but it has to be a credible threat.


13 posted on 06/03/2013 5:34:39 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Nachum

Sounds union to me.

On Twitter one of the Drudge editors says there is a group of low level employees who have evidence that the orders came from above. Their evidence doesn’t go to the white house but it does go very high in the agency.


14 posted on 06/03/2013 5:34:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: IrishPennant

So today I had an employee that I was having to temporarily furlough. He decided to take a personal call during our conversation.

hmmmm what to do


15 posted on 06/03/2013 5:35:08 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Billthedrill

Start at the bottom with the people who know they’re expendable.


16 posted on 06/03/2013 5:35:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NonValueAdded

Obstruction of justice comes to mind.


17 posted on 06/03/2013 5:35:42 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Nachum
The IRS has not an Org. Chart?

Fixing the blame would seem easy. Just start up the chain of command.

18 posted on 06/03/2013 5:36:07 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Nachum

Fine. Hit them with a RICO investigation, because that is what this is.


19 posted on 06/03/2013 5:40:49 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Nachum

Waterboard!!!


20 posted on 06/03/2013 5:43:13 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Nachum

The Inspector General of the IRS was the one asking these questions. First, I don’t believe he has the authority to compel testimony, ie, answer or be fired. Second, a low level agent would be stupid to answer the IG in the first place. You’re asking him to rat out his boss or bosses boss. He’s got to have more cover than the IG can provide.


21 posted on 06/03/2013 5:46:04 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: driftdiver

Hopefully the whole furlough issue resolved itself?


22 posted on 06/03/2013 5:47:48 PM PDT by IrishPennant (All warfare is based on deception.)
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To: DugwayDuke
The whole chain of command above the low level agents are, by definition, guilty.

The Org. Chart will identify them.

23 posted on 06/03/2013 5:49:01 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: DugwayDuke

I think the union rep was in the office when the employees were questioned. Two years of investigation by the IG and nothing was accomplished or determined. IG Investigator needs to be fired!


24 posted on 06/03/2013 5:53:11 PM PDT by BushCountry (What does it matter now!!)
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To: Nachum

Who orderd the tageting program?

Uh... let me guess; his name begins with Bar... and ends with ...ama, and he lives in a big white house.

Am I right?

Yes, I’m right.


25 posted on 06/03/2013 5:58:37 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Nachum

Every one is in contempt. Toss the lot in jail on unpaid leave and fire every one of them when they get out. Obviously they have no respect for the law and should not be in government service. Ever.


26 posted on 06/03/2013 6:09:04 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: All

in a nutshell, here is what their testimony will amount to..

“nobody seen nuthin, nobody heard nuthin, nobody said nuthin, nobody here knows nuthin..”


27 posted on 06/03/2013 6:13:16 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Jyotishi

Ask Vince Foster.....


28 posted on 06/03/2013 6:17:38 PM PDT by ptsal (E)
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To: BushCountry
” IG Investigator needs to be fired!”

That “Uncle Tom” makes me want to throw stuff at the TV when he's “testifying.”He has the backbone of an eel! There's your basic AA hire.

29 posted on 06/03/2013 6:20:46 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Nachum

BREAKING: IRS Paper Trail All The Way To The Top Level In D.C.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/breaking-irs-papertrail-all-the-way-to-the-top-level-in-d-c/


30 posted on 06/03/2013 6:23:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: Nachum
The earlier stories noted that ONE EMPLOYEE had 40 of the cases from which 7 were taken as examples and sent off to Washington (could be as electronic images or physically ~ the IG didn't say).

The answer to the question of WHO ordered things done in Cincy is very simple ~ it was the person who ASSIGNED THOSE 40 CASES to that one employee!

Their correspondence control system should be able to identify that person quite readily. My guess is the person who does case assignment is not a boss ~ nor maybe even a human being ~ this could be done by an algorithm in the programming in the correspondence control system.

The people who were interviewed likely don't even understand what's going on, but if the staffers are able to tell the system what sort of cases they want ~ either by having a high rate of productivity working cases of a specific characteristic (to be determined by the correspondence control system itself) or some other means, it could well be a total mystery to the users.

The IG hasn't done his job until he's interviewed the key or lead programmers who put this one together.

We also can't overlook the fact the selected organizations suffered tremendous delays in getting their cases processed. It's possible the assignment algorithm can be set to transfer selected categories of cases to the least productive employees ~ ....... ~ for the purpose of 'training'.

Lois Lerner was at FEC when they set up their correspondence and data control system. She, all by herself, could have transferable knowledge of capabilities in the FEC system which was applicable to the IRS system and could have pulled the whole thing off by herself!

NOTE: If we'd put together a system like this at USPS (to handle Congressional Liaison, PMG correspondence, Consumer Affairs and Mail Classification activities) they'd formed a peoples revolutionary committee to track us down and bust our kneecaps ~ then they'd get real mean. IRS types are not independent thinkers so they are probably in the grip of an oppressive but very insane correspondence control system which has been misused by the evil arch bigot Lois Lerner ~

31 posted on 06/03/2013 6:26:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: DugwayDuke
Almost any federale will rat out his boss' boss, but rarely his own boss.

The rules are probably different in the private sector.

32 posted on 06/03/2013 6:29:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: driftdiver

You’re kidding? What a dip!


33 posted on 06/03/2013 6:33:02 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Nachum

You go to the lowest level agents and give them immunity from prosecution in exchange for their ratting out of their bosses. If they take the 5th after given immunity, throw them in jail forever.


34 posted on 06/03/2013 6:54:24 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Truth - the new hate speech!)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

You go to the lowest level and you document that the highest level (White Hut) knows this is going on. This stuff is happening NOW. The kenyan can’t claim he doesn’t know about it since it was in the news today. Drag him into this mess ASAP.

Boehner should be sending a rocket directly addressed to Barry Obama, 1600 Pennslvania ave., for every little tidbit like this that comes out. He is POTUS. It’s his job to run the Obama Admin. Or supposed to be anyway.


35 posted on 06/03/2013 7:01:35 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Nachum

Once a few of them are sent to prison the remainder will be begging for an opportunity to talk.


36 posted on 06/03/2013 7:11:10 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Freebies, Home of the Enslaved)
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To: Nachum

37 posted on 06/03/2013 7:20:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Nachum
Now that we know it definitely was NOT a "couple of rogue agents" who broke the law, does anyone recall anyone from the White Hut who tried to push the "rogue" story?

If so, we can say the WH lied. If it was Carney, he needs to prove that he wasn't instructed by Zero to say such things, as he speaks for the Prez.

38 posted on 06/03/2013 7:28:02 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Iron Munro

Once a few of them are sent to prison the remainder will be begging for an opportunity to talk.


And there’s our problem: nobody in the admin has even had their vacation time threatened, let alone the prospect of jail time.

I’m about sick of this ‘going for the big fish’ bravo sierra.


39 posted on 06/03/2013 7:37:44 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: BushCountry
I think the union rep was in the office when the employees were questioned.

Also, wasn't it pointed out in the earlier hearing or shortly thereafter that one of the top managers in the office set in on all the IG interviews?

40 posted on 06/03/2013 7:40:13 PM PDT by etcb
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To: driftdiver
"If they wont talk they should be fired and prosecuted."

Obstruction of Justice. What penalty is there for that?

41 posted on 06/03/2013 7:41:32 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Nachum
This is an interesting example of misdirection. We are now all in a tizzy about who allocated the cases. Surely what we want to know as well is who ordered the harassment of the chosen few. They may be the same, or they may be a different person.
42 posted on 06/03/2013 7:49:59 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Nachum

This will be a criminal investigation soon...


43 posted on 06/03/2013 7:53:45 PM PDT by GOPJ (Swedes bring their cars..savages their flames..burning cars a metaphor. D. Greenfield)
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To: Nachum

I would start by firing each and every employee of the Cincinnati operation. Sell the building to private industry to get it on the tax roles. I like to inject some irony whenever possible.

Every employee fired would be ineligible for unemployment insurance or any taxpayer funded job ever again. State, federal, or local.

Every IRS employee that wanted to continue working would need to expose his career to the tender mercies of the private sector without any letter of recommendation. Might as well be an ex-con looking for a job.

Then I’d start asking the same question again if anybody remembers who ordered the targeting. Prison is generally considered worse than mere unemployment.


44 posted on 06/03/2013 8:41:22 PM PDT by edboock (The United States Constitution ©1787, All Rights Reserved)
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To: Nachum
Valerie Jarrett.

5.56mm

45 posted on 06/04/2013 5:28:02 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Nachum

Headline: Magic bus community stays silent on suspect doing the throwing, no mention of driver giving the orders.


46 posted on 06/04/2013 5:32:10 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: txhurl
And there’s our problem: nobody in the admin has even had their vacation time threatened, let alone the prospect of jail time.

In this case, the watchdogs of our freedom are the criminals.

Having Obama, Jarrett and Holder run the country is like putting Hitler in charge of the Jewish Relief Fund.

Or letting Bill Clinton be headmaster of a young girls finishing school.


47 posted on 06/04/2013 6:07:22 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Freebies, Home of the Enslaved)
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