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Teen denied diploma, fined over Native American feather
QMI AGENCY ^ | June 4, 2013

Posted on 06/04/2013 11:44:25 AM PDT by rickmichaels

An Alabama teenager was denied her high school diploma and fined $1,000 for wearing a feather on her graduation cap to celebrate her Native American heritage.

Escambia Academy High School in Atmore, Ala., makes its students and staff sign a pre-graduation contract agreeing not to wear "extraneous items during graduation exercises unless approved by the administration."

Chelsey Ramer, 17, tried in vain to get approval to attach an eagle's feather to her graduation cap as a symbol of her Native culture.

"They told me that if I wore it that they would pull me off the field," Ramer, a member of the Poarch Creek Band, told NBC affiliate Local 15.

But Ramer wore it anyway and refused to sign the dress-code contract.

The school wouldn't give Ramer her diploma. She now has to fork over $1,000 to get it.

The teen, however, regrets nothing.

"It was worth it. It means a lot to me," Ramer said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: americanindians; commencements; leftismoncampus; nativeamericans
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1 posted on 06/04/2013 11:44:25 AM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

The Poarch Creeks are good for the grand.


2 posted on 06/04/2013 11:46:02 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: rickmichaels

Sounds like she’s guilty, but ‘tis a shame.


3 posted on 06/04/2013 11:46:10 AM PDT by basil (basil --Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: basil

PS—she should get her diploma, though—she obviously deserved it.


4 posted on 06/04/2013 11:47:13 AM PDT by basil (basil --Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: rickmichaels
But Ramer wore it anyway and refused to sign the dress-code contract.

Smart girl. She didn't sign the contract.

The school administrators are too dim to understand that a contract you did not sign is not enforceable.

Unfortunately, she is going to be awarded a lot of school district money someday.

5 posted on 06/04/2013 11:47:20 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the deviants who are the bullies.)
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To: rickmichaels

“I MUST wear an eagle feather to prove that I am distant and separate from the citizenry of the United States of America that provided me the free education we are celebrating.”

Wel, bye!


6 posted on 06/04/2013 11:48:35 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: rickmichaels

She was warned and chose to ignore it.

She says she has no regrets.

End of story.


7 posted on 06/04/2013 11:49:02 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: basil

And paid for it too.


8 posted on 06/04/2013 11:49:40 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: rickmichaels

17 years old. Contract? How enforceable is that anyway?


9 posted on 06/04/2013 11:51:46 AM PDT by wrench
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To: rickmichaels

What is the legality of the school levying a fine, or withholding her diploma?

I’d be inclined to take this to court.


10 posted on 06/04/2013 11:51:56 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: rickmichaels

Some folks think they are above the rules. If you break them there are penalties. Big deal, you are an Indian, no one cares.


11 posted on 06/04/2013 11:52:27 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: rickmichaels

The performance of public school officials constitute an excellence nadir - below which sentient life cannot exist.


12 posted on 06/04/2013 11:52:44 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

She’d gotten another education ~ what I want to know is who let in all these English speaking people.


13 posted on 06/04/2013 11:54:09 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rickmichaels

She has to fork over $1,000 for a piece of paper? You can’t tell me that if a future employer or school requests her high school information from the state that they would say she didn’t graduate. This is extortion and a perfect example of how the schools “manage what they can.”


14 posted on 06/04/2013 11:54:11 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rickmichaels

What if someone wanted to wear a Confederate flag, however small, to honor their Southern heritage?


15 posted on 06/04/2013 11:54:24 AM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

To be fair, she didn’t break the rules. They asked her to sign a code of conduct, but she refused. They should’ve pulled her from the ceremony altogether at that point.


16 posted on 06/04/2013 11:55:13 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rickmichaels

Chelsey and Escambia Academy. Equality of boneheadedness.


17 posted on 06/04/2013 11:56:56 AM PDT by clintonh8r ("Europe was created by history. America was created by a philosophy." Baroness Thatcher)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

“Some folks think they are above the rules. If you break them there are penalties.”

We are obliged to follow one sided rules. School attendance is mandated at that age.

Gotta make every govt graduate submit to rules without question.


18 posted on 06/04/2013 11:56:57 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Wel, bye!

And where would you deport her to?
19 posted on 06/04/2013 11:56:59 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: rickmichaels
a member of the Poarch Creek Band

I have all of their albums.

20 posted on 06/04/2013 11:58:16 AM PDT by SIDENET
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To: clee1
I'd be inclined to take it to court.

Well, yeah. Muslims, Amish, Jewish men in those caps, members of religious orders, I could keep going get to wear their stuff. What the heck is wrong with an eagle feather? Maybe it's an environment crazy thing. Surely they couldn't object to her being proud of her native American heritage.

21 posted on 06/04/2013 11:58:17 AM PDT by grania
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
“I MUST wear an eagle feather to prove that I am distant and separate from the citizenry of the United States of America that provided me the free education we are celebrating."

It's a private school.

22 posted on 06/04/2013 11:58:22 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: rickmichaels

>> Ala., makes its students and staff sign a pre-graduation contract agreeing not to wear “extraneous items during graduation exercises unless approved by the administration.” <<

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How can arbitrary, and thuggish fiat actions like this be lawful?

We are not supposed to be a regimented society, and personal touches should be encouraged, not punished.
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23 posted on 06/04/2013 11:58:44 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: basil

Guilty of what?

Free American spirit?


24 posted on 06/04/2013 12:00:00 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

That’s the fauxnees


25 posted on 06/04/2013 12:00:16 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: clee1
What is the legality of the school levying a fine, or withholding her diploma?

I’d be inclined to take this to court.

From what I've been able to gather, this is a private school, and the prohibition of a graduating student's wearing unapproved apparel and/or accoutrements is spelled out in the school's handbook. Also specified there is the warning that one's diploma may be withheld until disciplinary action has been imposed.

26 posted on 06/04/2013 12:01:08 PM PDT by DSH
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Arbitrary rules are meant to be broken.


27 posted on 06/04/2013 12:01:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

“I MUST wear an eagle feather to prove that I am distant and separate from the citizenry of the United States of America that provided me the free education we are celebrating.”

Not to mention all the wonders created by Western civilization such as air conditioning, health care, the WHEEL, written language and a million other things.

The school wanted to have a serious ceremony without stupid ethnic pride displays or other nonsense. If you let the indian wear her feather what about the Italian kid wants to put a plate of meatballs and spaghett on his mortar board? Why can’t these insecure attention ho’s just follow the rules.


28 posted on 06/04/2013 12:02:39 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: rickmichaels

I have to go to graduation evey year. It is a race to the bottom for poor behavior by students and parents.

She knew the rules but the “please look at me!” Attitude of our modern culture couldn’t be denied. She willingly paid the price though now she seems to be ready to place the race card. Unless someone else got to wear something extra and she didn’t, case dismissed.


29 posted on 06/04/2013 12:02:39 PM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: clee1

Agreed. She fulfilled her “contract” of graduating, if there is such a contract. In any case, she earned the degree under other rules. The school should sue to get the $1,000 but I don’t think they can keep her degree.


30 posted on 06/04/2013 12:02:56 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Burkean

Yeh, or celebrate our European heritage by wearing a swastika. :-)


31 posted on 06/04/2013 12:04:02 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Arbitrary rules are meant to be broken.”

Just because you disagree with it doesnt make it arbitrary.


32 posted on 06/04/2013 12:06:16 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: SgtHooper

Swastikas aren’t even Euro. Dolphie stole them from the Buddhists!


33 posted on 06/04/2013 12:07:55 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: editor-surveyor
Ala., makes its students and staff sign a pre-graduation contract agreeing not to wear “extraneous items during graduation exercises unless approved by the administration.” <<

. How can arbitrary, and thuggish fiat actions like this be lawful?

No, not "Ala. makes it students . . .," but, rather the Escambia Academy High School in Atmore, Alabama -- a private school -- does so.

I might myself not think too much of such a policy, or, at least, the way it is enforced, but the action is neither "arbitrary" -- the prohibition is spelled out in the school's handbook -- nor, to my mind, "thuggish." No one is forced to attend this particular private school in Alabama, even if they are forced to attend school.

The school has its own standards, explains them to its students (whose parents pay for the privilege of their children attending), and imposes penalties for specified violations of those standards. So far as that goes, I don't have a problem with it, myself.

34 posted on 06/04/2013 12:08:24 PM PDT by DSH
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

If the rule weren’t arbitrary, there would be an obvious benefit to it.

There is none, but undesirable regimentation.

If you wish to be controlled, that is your perogative, but stay away from the rights of the rest of us.


35 posted on 06/04/2013 12:09:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Seriously?

I’d “deport” her to her own small little mind that is focused on her self-perceived pathetic existence that makes her a “victim” living in the greatest nation that has ever existed.


36 posted on 06/04/2013 12:11:24 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
Some folks think they are above the rules.

And some people make rules they have no authority to enforce, or selectively enforce the ones they do.

I'm looking at you, Baraq Ubamugabe.

37 posted on 06/04/2013 12:12:08 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: rickmichaels
From Ayn Rand's "Textbook of Americanisms." ...

"Do not be misled . . . by an old collectivist trick which goes like this: there is no absolute freedom anyway, since you are not free to murder; society limits your freedom when it does not permit you to kill; therefore, society holds the right to limit your freedom in any manner it sees fit; therefore, drop the delusion of freedom—freedom is whatever society decides it is.

It is not society, nor any social right, that forbids you to kill—but the inalienable individual right of another man to live. This is not a “compromise” between two rights—but a line of division that preserves both rights untouched. The division is not derived from an edict of society—but from your own inalienable individual right. The definition of this limit is not set arbitrarily by society—but is implicit in the definition of your own right.

Within the sphere of your own rights, your freedom is absolute."

That last line is worth rembering.

38 posted on 06/04/2013 12:12:30 PM PDT by OldNavyVet ("Within the sphere of your own rights, your freedom is absolute." Ayn Rand)
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To: rickmichaels

A graduation ceremony is intended to honor a group of people who’ve all gone through a required curriculum successfully, not to be a platform for displays of individual ethnic or other characteristics.

Every occasion doen’t have to be open to every display of personal expression the invidual participants might ‘feel’ like induling in. The girl can wear her feather during her personal time for the rest of her life if she so chooses. This was not an occasion for her to draw individual attention to herself.


39 posted on 06/04/2013 12:13:27 PM PDT by Will88
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To: George from New England
My sons go to a private school. They have similar rules and the teachers, students, and parents respect that.

If everyone wants to add something then where do you draw the line? It was a selfish move on the student's part meant to call attention to herself and set herself apart from her classmates. You don't want to wear what they tell you wear? Then don't go.

40 posted on 06/04/2013 12:14:07 PM PDT by hometoroost
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To: rickmichaels

Lawyers are are descending on Atmore even as we speak..........About 100 miles from here.......


41 posted on 06/04/2013 12:14:15 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Burkean

I wanted to bring a beer with me to honor my Irish heritage...


42 posted on 06/04/2013 12:14:21 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I take it then that you like to prance around naked in the grocery store?


43 posted on 06/04/2013 12:14:22 PM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: editor-surveyor
If the rule weren’t arbitrary, there would be an obvious benefit to it.

There is none, but undesirable regimentation.

If you wish to be controlled, that is your perogative, but stay away from the rights of the rest of us.

I'm not sure the regimentation per se is necessarily the motivating sentiment behind the people who run this school.

From the Escambia Academy's handbook:

"RELIGION

"While Escambia Academy is not a church-sponsored school, it does strive to provide a Christian atmosphere for all of its participants. Every class has a daily devotion during homeroom. In most cases, this routine consists of prayer, Bible reading, and/or a devotional. Escambia Academy has a Fellowship of Christian Athletes Club and other Christian groups, which serve to further this goal."

44 posted on 06/04/2013 12:14:57 PM PDT by DSH
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To: longfellowsmuse

All schools want Lemmings nothing more nothing less!


45 posted on 06/04/2013 12:15:59 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: editor-surveyor

What part of this being a private school do you not understand?

When I graduated from HS, a private school, there was a specific dress code for specific events - including graduation. Because our gowns were white - the dress code even included what colors we could not wear under the gowns.


46 posted on 06/04/2013 12:16:06 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: fungoking

I’m with you, but would say the fine is excessive.


47 posted on 06/04/2013 12:17:47 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: clee1

Yep. This one is going to go to court.


48 posted on 06/04/2013 12:18:58 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: grania

If the feather meant that much to her she could have worn it under the hat, around her neck or under the gown or in her pocket.

This was meant to be external - not internal or spiritual.

Having sat through two of my daughter’s graduations from college I’ll have to say the Art department does the best job on the hats.


49 posted on 06/04/2013 12:21:15 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: F15Eagle
Yep. This one is going to go to court.

Why? On what grounds?

50 posted on 06/04/2013 12:21:56 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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