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The High Cost of “Free”
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | Wednesday, June 05, 2013 | by Loyd S. Pettegrew and Carol A. Vance

Posted on 06/05/2013 10:41:58 AM PDT by Sopater

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To: justlurking
Just a strawman.

Show me an actual person who has been on assistance and preferred it to working. The article uses examples as egregious as when the libs trot out people who die from lack of healthcare and other extreme examples of what happens when the capitalist system doesn't work

Sorry, the institute is full of beans and anyone who tries to tell me that all but a vanishingly small percentage of people on aid are doing it in preference to working is going to get laughed at to their face (if I'm in a good mood, otherwise it might be a -USA made- Redwing in that same face.

We've enough ammunition against the libs without resorting to lies, exaggerations and strawmen.

It's not bitterness, it's about disliking BS when I've been there and the jerk writing the article has not.

21 posted on 06/07/2013 2:52:46 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: RedStateRocker
Show me an actual person who has been on assistance and preferred it to working.

A friend of mine got assistance from the AFDC program. She used it to leave an abusive husband and feed her kids until she could finish school. It took two years, but she did it and got on with her life.

While she was in it, she had repeated contact with other participants. And she was horrified by the number of "permanent" participants. She knew several that claimed to intentionally bear an additional child to boost their monthly benefit.

I did some research after that. At that time, in that state, "most" participants were short-term: they only collected benefits for a short period of time as a safety net. But, that was only a count, not the cost. A small number of "permanent" beneficiaries collected the bulk -- as in about 60-70% -- of the benefits.

The permanent welfare class exists. And, government policies encourage them to stay there.

22 posted on 06/07/2013 3:06:55 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Sopater
Despite the political rhetoric over the past half century, entitlements were actually highest during Republican administrations.

Stopped right there....

23 posted on 06/07/2013 3:12:47 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: justlurking

With all due respect, third hand information.

Been there. 50 years old, laid off due to building closure, diabetes (and thus uninsurable). Let me tell you FRiend, I put in over 1700, yes SEVENTEEN HUNDRED applications and resumes in the following year. 32 interviews, 5 jobs (all temp except for one I was let go from, I just couldn’t successfully do commission sales, even if making the mortgage depended on it), did tech support for a coven of witches, cleaned toilets, collected unemployment when there was no work.

Anybody who says that even the most generous level of benefits provides a better income than working even the most menial of jobs who has NOT been in both situations is so full of crap we could solve the entire energy needs of this country from the BS they are comprised of.

I could find plenty of Friend Of A Friend stories, and shape the statistics any way I wanted to prove the point either way, doesn’t matter to me, I know what I went through and what was available to me in a real world situation. Sometime the folks who live in the ivory towers of the right are just as full of it as those who live in the ivory towers of the left.


24 posted on 06/07/2013 3:21:04 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: RedStateRocker
With all due respect, third hand information.

With absolutely no respect at all, you are just a random guy on the 'Net with an axe to grind.

Look, I know you'll never get over your bitterness, and you'll never admit that your one experience doesn't make you an expert on the subject. So, let it go, and go back to yelling at the wall. I don't care any more.

25 posted on 06/07/2013 6:32:50 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: justlurking

excuse me for calling BS when ivory tower think tank warriors bloviate almost as disgustingly as libs.

I expect deception and BS from libs, it disappoints me when it comes from our side. Not bitter, just calling a pantload of bullcrap what it is based on first hand knowledge. We don’t need strawmen to make our points.


26 posted on 06/07/2013 10:34:17 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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