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Epicenter Of A Bursting Bubble (Welcome To Oregon)
The Daily Reckoning ^ | 6-5-2013 | Dave Gonigam

Posted on 06/05/2013 8:25:29 PM PDT by blam

Epicenter Of A Bursting Bubble

Dave Gonigam
Jun 5, 2013

“Josephine County is broke,” wrote the commenter at Huffington Post. “Armed citizen volunteers have taken over most patrol duties against the wishes of Sheriff Gilbertson.”

Washington, D.C., is flush with new tax revenue… and Wall Street is riding high with the big stock indexes near record highs. Meanwhile, in places far from the centers of power, we’re seeing one of our forecasts play out. Now nearly two years old, we said the “mother of all financial bubbles” would make itself felt first on the local level.

Josephine County, Ore. — population 83,000 — sits on the California state line. As long ago as 2007, the county government ran out of money for the libraries and shut them down; they’ve since reopened under the auspices of a nonprofit group.

“I don’t have anybody to send out there,” said the 911 dispatcher to the woman who was about to be raped in her own home. “Can you ask him to go away?”

It happened in Josephine County last August. The story “went viral” only last week. The intruder — the woman’s abusive ex-boyfriend — eventually broke in, attacked and fled. Then police swung into action and arrested him.

“If you don’t pay the bill, you don’t get the service,” said Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson. Budget cuts, he says, make it impossible to respond to emergency calls on evenings and weekends.

“What’s left of the Josephine County Sheriff’s Dept. is basically only available 9-5,” concurs the HuffPo commenter.

“You may want to consider relocating to an area with adequate law enforcement services,” the sheriff added helpfully.

The Sheriff’s office does, however, have the resources to carry out marijuana raids.

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(Excerpt) Read more at dailyreckoning.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: debt; economy; federalgovernment; pers; taxes

1 posted on 06/05/2013 8:25:29 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The Sheriff’s office does, however, have the resources to carry out marijuana raids.

Thank you, civil forfeiture. And Federal sweeteners. Wow.

2 posted on 06/05/2013 8:29:27 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: blam; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; coffeebreak; ...
If you aren't on this ping list and are interested
in articles about Oregon, please FReepmail me.

3 posted on 06/05/2013 8:40:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: gaijin

It’s the federal sweeteners in this case. Sheriff gets half a mil for being tough on drugs. Nothing for stopping rapes.


4 posted on 06/05/2013 8:44:05 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: blam; Grampa Dave; forester

Does the article mention the root of the problem is “inviral-mental” restrictions on timber harvest as it in in Humboldt and Trinity counties in Cal?


5 posted on 06/05/2013 8:49:13 PM PDT by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: Jeff Winston

Well, as the good Sheriff says, “If you don’t pay the bill, you don’t get the service.”


6 posted on 06/05/2013 8:56:05 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Therefore he shouldn’t complain when the public serves themselves. We need more of this. If cops want to play drug warrior before protecting the public, they get what they deserve.


7 posted on 06/05/2013 9:03:20 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Cyber Liberty

No, you still get serviced.


8 posted on 06/05/2013 9:07:03 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: tubebender

Agenda 21 the culprit.


9 posted on 06/05/2013 9:10:55 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: tubebender
Does the article mention the root of the problem is “inviral-mental” restrictions on timber harvest as it in in Humboldt and Trinity counties in Cal?

Actually, yes. FTA:

“Federal forests make up 60% of the land in many rural Oregon counties,” explains the Portland Oregonian. “Because federal land isn’t subject to property taxes, the federal government for decades shared timber sale revenue with the counties.

“But that money dried up as environmental restrictions, lawsuits, recession and market changes reduced logging on federal forests by 90% since 1989. The change cost counties millions.”

10 posted on 06/05/2013 9:20:29 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Balistic services included? Court hearings? Finger printing?

Fire away, civilians!!

You and your God given right to defend yourself unleashed!


11 posted on 06/05/2013 9:32:14 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: tubebender

Time to take the Federal lands from the Feds and give them to the states so people can have jobs. Why should fat cats from DC care about managing the forests?

Pray for America to Wake Up


12 posted on 06/05/2013 9:43:42 PM PDT by bray (Stop tolerating beheading!)
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To: blam

The great federal pre-emptive wealth sucking machine is being used to demean and diminish the roles and capabilities of state and local governments, a key and essential tactic in the campaign to destroy federalism and fundamentally transform the constitutional federated republic of America into a unitary socialist republic with the present states reduced to the status of geographic provinces ruled by the central autocracy.


13 posted on 06/05/2013 9:54:13 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: bray

“Time to take the Federal lands from the Feds and give them to the states”

They’d still be subject to enviro regs. In our area, we had two fires last summer that burned several hundred thousand acres of timber. Two federal agencies would love to sell the burned timber, but won’t bother trying because they have been threatened with law suits by the enviros if they do. The state has already logged their burned ground because they are small potatoes and the enviro weenies can’t be bothered with them. If they were the only game in town, they would become a target just like the feds.


14 posted on 06/05/2013 11:26:31 PM PDT by Old Forester
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To: Old Forester

I live in Eugene, Oregon.

My Grandfather worked the Tillamook Burn.

He worked hard, saved his money, and then purchased a saw mill. Eventually the business grew to include a logging company and a green veneer mill. He was one of the largest employers in the city, and he gave back to the city so much - the Eugene Mission was built from lumber that he donated.

He had always told me that hard work and honesty was all a man needed to become successful.

When the enviropukes started to shut down the timber industry in Oregon I was about 10 years old. Eventually I watched my Grandfather as he aged 20 years in only 10 - because he fought the bastards (believing that his paradigm about hard honest work would prevail) - and it took its toll on him. He kept the mill running as best as he could, losing money, because he was loyal to his employees. “Where else will they find work to support their families?”, he would say whenever anyone questioned his willingness to lose money in the business.

Eventually, he had lost enough that he was close to wasting away his ability to provide for his retirement, and he was forced to shut down.

Now those same environazi pukes are crying because they don’t have enough money to support the city and the county.
I say, “F#ck those idiots!!!” They wanted to have their cake and eat it, too; well, reality is a b*tch and I must say that I enjoy their whining and pleading for money - they can all eat sh*t in my opinion.


15 posted on 06/05/2013 11:53:41 PM PDT by dadgum (Overjoyed to be the Pariah.)
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To: Elsiejay

“The great federal pre-emptive wealth sucking machine is being used to demean and diminish the roles and capabilities of state and local governments, a key and essential tactic in the campaign to destroy federalism and fundamentally transform the constitutional federated republic of America into a unitary socialist republic with the present states reduced to the status of geographic provinces ruled by the central autocracy.”

Translation: Democrats can’t have people flee high-tax socialist toilets for greener pastures in low-tax, business/taxpayer friendly environments. They must make Texas as costly as California, so the Red (communist) states don’t become ghost towns.


16 posted on 06/06/2013 2:50:24 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Cyber Liberty; tubebender
The change cost counties millions

Yeah BUT you should look at the actual numbers, THEN look at PERS liabilities.

The timber decline is a big issue for jobs and the private sector economy, but for county governments it is but a scapegoat.

A couple years ago the sheriff in Lane County was doing the same thing and still is, turning violent jail inmates loose and crying about timber revenue. And sure, the federal government has no legitimate business owning and controlling most of the forest land, but the budget losses to counties because of that are a pittance compared to their PERS liabilities.

Both fronts need to be fought, but for the right reasons.

17 posted on 06/06/2013 4:20:45 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (I will not comply.)
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To: tubebender

The root of the problem is public employee retirement funds...

But, nobody wants to talk about that.


18 posted on 06/06/2013 4:24:50 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Clinging Bitterly
...the federal government has no legitimate business owning and controlling most of the forest land, but the budget losses to counties because of that are a pittance compared to their PERS liabilities.

Hammer meet nail!

19 posted on 06/06/2013 4:28:21 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Jeff Winston

Public Employees Retirement System (PERS) is eating up all of the budgets...


20 posted on 06/06/2013 4:31:48 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Thanks for telling me what PERS is. The post above sounded reasonable but for the fact I had no idea what was being talked about.

OK, so the budgets are screwed up, and it’s at both ends (income from timber, outgo to benefits to the masters), but politicians blaming just the one end is not uncommon. I just think the Sheriff is being petulant when he says “If you want police protection you’re going to have to pay.”

I also find it incredible there is a Sheriff’s Department that only operates M-F, 9-5. Sorry about the rape, but we’ll take a report in the morning.


21 posted on 06/06/2013 5:42:08 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: tubebender; blam; SierraWasp; forester; Jeff Head

“Does the article mention the root of the problem is “inviral-mental” restrictions on timber harvest as it in in Humboldt and Trinity counties in Cal?”

When the evil green eco (nomic) green terrorists took over Oregone, they began an economic war on any farmer, rancher, forester, miner and anyone else daring to make an honest living from the land.

In about two decades the eco (nomic) green terrorists have basically destroyed the economy of Oregone unless you are running some type of green scam.


22 posted on 06/06/2013 6:33:33 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: dadgum

I grew up in Eugene, which mill did your Grandfather own? It is time for Oregon to take back the Federal land and throw the enviro-nazis out.

Pray for America to Wake Up


23 posted on 06/06/2013 7:41:58 AM PDT by bray (Stop tolerating beheading!)
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To: bray

Instead, the Oregon Democrats have come up with House Bill 3453, which provides for a method for “imposition of income tax assessment on residents of affected counties with maximum rate to be specified in proclamation and with approval of county governing body.”

In other words, the voters wouldn’t approve a levy, so they will force one down their throats.

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Measures/Text/HB3453/Introduced


24 posted on 06/06/2013 5:17:30 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Grampa Dave; tubebender; george76; sergeantdave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; NormsRevenge; BOBTHENAILER; ..
"... an economic war on any farmer, rancher, forester, miner and anyone else daring to make an honest living from the land."

In the Sierra Flub's dickshunary these individuals and corpserations are described as "RESOURCE EXTRACTORS" that deserve the gillotine!!!

25 posted on 06/06/2013 5:53:10 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Bitter Ender," "Bitter Clinger," Yes on both. COUNT ME IN!!! I love God and guns, but not gayness!!)
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To: Cyber Liberty

I know that man personally...


26 posted on 06/06/2013 10:27:29 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Partially... it is PERS more than anything else...

The city of Grants Pass (the county seat) elected a whole slate of city councillors who dared to remove their unelected city manager (an Agenda 21, hand picked stooge) who was the darling of the public employee unions... they were recalled under the guise of refusing to support a public safety levy that was on the ballot.

This slate of councillors weren’t all of the same political philosophy... some were hard core libertarian meat and potato conservatives, some were vegetarian old school liberal tree huggers not opposed to logging.

Never mind the fact that several such balloted levies failed miserably at the polls. Never mind the fact that many of the councillors campaigned on a platform to reign in the city’s spending. Nobody can afford to publicly admit there is a problem with public employee pensions and benefits, the union goons run the city and county government, including the courts.

(If you go to the planning department to get the “uniform building code” regulations, referred to in the state law books, you are only allowed to see them, you are not allowed to have copies of them and they are not found anywhere else, including the law library, because I looked.)


27 posted on 06/07/2013 12:42:58 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Twotone
In other words, the voters wouldn’t approve a levy, so they will force one down their throats.

Yes... you get the idea... see #27...

That is what the whole mess about the firing of the unelected city manager was about... he was working to implement a tax increase and public employee salary increases all on his own without any approval from either the elected city government or the voters.

When he was fired, he refused to leave, saying he had too much work that needed to be finished! Imagine that... I wonder how many document shredders were working late into the night...

28 posted on 06/07/2013 12:54:50 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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