Skip to comments.Verizon scandal: Barack Obama's national security state is now beyond democratic control
Posted on 06/06/2013 1:03:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Those crazy American conspiracy theorists who live up trees with guns and drink their own pee dont seem quite so crazy anymore. It turns out that a secret court order has empowered the US government to collect the phone records of millions of users of Verizon, one of the most popular telephone providers a massive domestic surveillance programme and a shocking intrusion into the lives of others. For the first time in history, being an AT&T customer doesnt seem such a bad thing after all.
Of course, it isn't the first time that a US administration has spied on its own people. The origins of this particular order lie first in the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and then in Section 215 of the Patriot Act, backed by George W Bush and passed by Congress after 9/11. Normally, domestic surveillance only targets suspicious individuals, not the entire population, but in 2006 it was discovered that a similarly wide database of cellular records was being collected from customers of Verizon, AT&T and BellSouth. There was plenty of outrage and plenty of lawsuits, but the National Security Agency never confirmed that the programme had been shut down. It would appear that its still in rude health: the latest court order for collecting data runs from April 25 to July 19.
A few observations. First, America is so conscious and proud of its history as a beacon of liberty that it often overlooks the tyranny that occurs on its own shores in the name of safeguarding democracy. The national security state has expanded to the point whereby it now functions outside of democratic control and with clear disregard for the Constitution.....
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...
I want to be angry at the Telegraph for pointing out our hubris, but I just can’t. I want to point fingers at the Left for this, but I can’t even do that. So all I can do is eat my rage and frustration that this happened and most of the “citizenry” doesn’t even know much less care. “Land of the free home of the brave” indeed. My ulcers amd acid reflex are getting worse.
Great piece! I read this paper, instead of American ones. Also the Daily Mail. Our MSM is a closed shop.
Just listening to Mark Levin on Neil Cavuto .
...he is very upset about this. .
They’re spot on. It is alarming.
1984 was published 64 years ago today.
Even the Obama-loving NYTIMES is running with these reports today. Wonder if the TIMES and WAPOST are beginning to see that by ignoring big stories that impact negatively on Obama in the past...may well have enabled him to do even more damage to the Constitution?
Nah...they don’t get it.
You got that right.
Its just a pool of information(data&voice trans),we don’t monitor it,its just there incase we NEED to listen then we can”....
No F’en way shut this shit down
We should all be very upset about this.
The war on terror is over and Al-queada defeated....why then does the NSA want the phone records of millions of innocent Americans. It is becoming less and less necessary to get that roll of aluminum foil these days, especially in light of the IRS/tea party scandal.
Confidential communication by Americans it seems must now take place via snail mail ( at leas you can tell if they opened your letter) or smoke signals.
If by "order" the author intends the court order that dropped the dragnet on a broad segment of the population who have nothing to do with terror, then it is a BS article.
As someone has argued elsewhere, this is a massive invasion into "being secure in their papers", etc.
Now the IRS is able to indentify and intimidate every American who may have contacted any of the various Tea Party groups. Or any other political group who might resist a totalitarian government.
I doubt its limited to Verizon, in fact there have been numerous reports of all the carriers being involved with this.
Goodbye Free America...we loved you.
1. There is NO way that Verizon is the only company involved.
2. Do not forget the 80,000,000 medical records from CA, again we only know of these records.
3. Reporters phone records.
4. Tea Party IRS 501 (c) debacle.
What we are seeing is only the tip of the iceberg, we have already lost our liberty, we are all slaves to the collective, little worker bee’s having our earnings stolen from us to feed the fascist machine.
All thanks to a narcissistic media selected-boy-king wannabe.
So are we all just going to talk about it or are we going to do something about the new american police state?
I’m really shocked. Not surprised though. I didn’t even love it when GWB did it but I think his scope was narrower too.
From what I gathered today this has been going on for seven years. My question is. .has this SPECIFIC program been that long? Have they had Verizon (and/or Sprint, AT&T) records that long?
Maybe this is why Obama wants a war with Syria so as to keep us distracted from what he’s doing at home.
‘Wag the Dog’.
Obama doesn’t need much more in his plan than a mustache and some shiny jackboots.
The founding fathers understood that an intelligent, informed and moral populace was needed for our Republic to succeed. And succeed it did for well over 200 years. But success comes at a price. Success breeds immorality, laziness and selfishness. World War 2 was the last event in our nation's history that required moral backbone, sacrifice and bravery in the face of hardship. Hurricane Katrina exposed the soft underbelly of America. We have lost our way.
The average American has no idea what has happened and what lies ahead. All we can do at this point is do our best to prepare our children and grandchildren to survive the horrors the future will bring.
I miss my freedom and pray I will have the strength of my convictions when duty calls.
I would guess we are all waiting for the same thing.
This one - where they get millions of AMERICANS phone records? I knew we could go after foreigners ..and some specific #’s of Americans ..but I don’t think it was this sweeping.
“Wag the Dog.”
When the MSM runs with it you know it was planted by the administration.
They want everything off the front pages except for this. Then they can say Bush did it too so no big deal.
They are also pulling an Alinsky on congress. They are overloading them with scandals that will go absolutely no where.
Wake up Issa. All you have to do tomorrow morning is go on national television and announce that some of the phone records match up with Tea Party groups and Republican donors. Tell them it was given to him by someone in the administration.
Whether true or not, it’s time to play by liberal rules.
I suppose we are, lol
Where is a leader who will consolidate us like minded folks. Does one exist?
I think it is more likely that they want all the folks who have the goods on this admin that they know who they are and where they are and know all about who they love and who they would not want dead. It is a threat. Just like all the things this admin does. They are evil to the core. And paranoid to the core.
Verizon provides phone service to government. Therefore both cell and land phones of Congress, SCOTUS , Pentagon , CIA were included in the blanket surveillance !
The Founders formed Committees of Correspondence to spread the word without alerting the Redcoats.
Do we have anything similar today — secure communications? If not, we’re going to have one hell of a tough time opposing Tyranny in the years ahead.
Verizon was subject to a subpoena. Likely some of the other carriers gave this up even without the subpoena.
With a touch of Brave New World as well. Everybody’s on their Soma. Pills for depression, anxiety, sleeping, ADHD, etc.
“1984 was published 64 years ago today.”
We are so in that book now. Add no privacy on the phone now - calls are monitored by Holder and fellow devils.
Revolt is coming.
Now it’s land of the free stuff and home of the depraved.
Revolt is coming.
Heck, the comments at the bottom of the piece are better than anything we can write here...gotta love the Brits, at least the Conservative ones.
Yes. .I remember that. Yousef is a terrorist I have NO problem with that or possibly some Americans after showing cause. I do NOT remember a discussion about millions of Americans phone records being taken as a matter of national security.
Sadly but well said.
Great article. As has been asked numerous times, why does a British paper always have the good stories? We all know.
But at the end, when the author listed the scandals, he forgot one: Fast & Furious. Has that been relegated to the trash heap of history?
We need to minimize DOJ funding, NSA funding, and IRS funding, down to the bare bones. We need to have many, many officials of these agencies referred for prosecution, including Holder and Holder’s boss.
How much longer?
Yep. But Karl Rove hates her guts. So we can't do that, we have to wait on Big Karl, and Big Karl says 'no'.
I'm going to laugh my ass off when Rove has to catch a garbage scow to the Cayman Islands one step ahead of the scrubbed, reformed IRS.
"So Mr. Frog, our records indicate you made two calls to a local "tea party" group last month. Before we start going over your allowable deductions, would you mind explaining to us exactly what it was you were talking about?"
His comments that we conservatives applauded Bush’s totalitarianism is just out and out wrong. We were complaining to high heaven about it, but our representatives were doing nothing about it. Not all republicans are conservative...need we discuss that on this site? NO! There are fewer and fewer of them all the time until recently, as Sarah Palin has been helping to find some great people to run for office. Otherwise, it was a good article. Honestly, the “people” (sheeple) are doing exactly what the democrats have been leading them to do. Entertain themselves to death and send their kids off to the public school for totalitarian indoctrination. It’s working! Now we get American Idol for the presidency instead of a vetted, true-blooded American. Yes, it is our fault. We love our way of life so much that we sit back and enjoy all our forms of entertainment and let someone else fight for our country. Not working out so well, is it? Still praying that America wakes up, but even with all the crap going down, how many will truly (if they are able) do anything, participate in rallies, write letters demanding change, etc.? I’m afraid it is too few, to be honest. Obama laughs this off. He knows he is going to finish his term.