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Documents: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program
Washington Post ^ | 6/6/13 | Barton Gellman and Laura Poitras

Posted on 06/06/2013 3:45:54 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA

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To: newheart
Not to be too tinfoil about it, but what else is really going on?

Beyond that, who is really behind this all? While many would think its the wasscally Republicans, I think they're too far compromised; so who, really?

141 posted on 06/06/2013 8:30:48 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4
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To: therightliveswithus
The law doesn't mean anything to these deceitful government criminals.

Just pay your taxes or else you'll be investigated, intimidated, threatened, harassed, embezzled, fined and audited...

142 posted on 06/06/2013 8:50:51 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Black Agnes; Carry_Okie
No, I haven’t forgotten echelon. But it does give me pause about the ‘07 start date. There wasn’t any great terrorist event around then.

I remember 2007 as the year when Nicholas Kristof of the NY Times wrote his column on how BO was a "citizen of the world" and with it tried hard to sell this foreigner to the American public.

143 posted on 06/06/2013 9:00:43 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: RetiredArmy

“They win. There simply are not enough of us to fight this good fight. That is why I do not place my hope in man. I place my hope in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. ONLY He will fix what ails this world. Repentance is what this nation needs. Without it, His protective hand continues to be withdrawn. That is how I see it. And, to all respects to other opinions, you have yours and I have mine.”

beautifully stated...


144 posted on 06/06/2013 9:00:53 PM PDT by flowergirl
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To: caww

One example - Christine Lagarde’s resume just makes me shake my head.

She was born in France, but worked for a US Congressmen at the US Capitol while she was still a teenager. Joined a Chicago-based international law firm before the age of 30; after about 25 years there (I assume mostly working in Europe, but I don’t know), bingo - Trade Minister of France, other Ministerial posts, then on to the IMF.

Quite audacious, IMHO, for her to be in those posts, as one would think they would go to French folks who worked for French-owned companies most of their lives, lived in France all their lives and worked in France all their lives.

Globalism just kind of plunks their people into all the high government positions around the world, however obviously conflicted they appear.


145 posted on 06/06/2013 9:10:26 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Black Agnes
At least partially to blame.

I note that ‘07 was the year congress was subsumed by the dims. How much of the funding and programs came from the dims in charge of things there?
Bush did nothing to fight this stuff, and in fact was pushing for much more heavier stuff than what was passed in 2007 and what Obama wanted.

Remember it was the Bush administration that was pushing the Total Information Awareness stuff, where they would create a massive database on all Americans, that would track phone calls, texts, emails, web traffic, magazine subscriptions, bills, banking, gun ownership, ammo purchases, etc. and basically try to figure out if somebody was going to do something, as well as create the ability to see who we associate with.

Handy for fighting terrorists? You betcha. Also handy for a police state.

And the Bush administration fully embraced and supported the PATRIOT Act (how disgusting that they used a word like "PATRIOT").

It's very possible the Obama administration tried to revive the Bush administration's TIA project, but even if they didn't, TIA lived on in bits and pieces (after supposedly being defunded), and what we are seeing with this data mining was a cornerstone of the original TIA.

If I have the kind of power that Bush and Obama had, even if I can't read the contents of your phone calls/VOIP activity/emails, if I can at least see you are making them and where they are being made from and to, I can easily build up a database of who you are friends with and/or related to, where you travel to, who you associate with. If I can see all of that plus your web traffic, over a year or two I can figure out your personality, or at least most of your interests.

It's actually quite chilling, especially if you try and link it in with the IRS stuff that's going on.
146 posted on 06/06/2013 9:21:46 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

I’m not absolving Bush by any means.

His dad was pretty creepy too.

It all makes me wonder what sort of machinations are going on within the elite circle they all fly in.


147 posted on 06/06/2013 9:23:08 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Red in Blue PA

So they know just about everything about anyone, who is an AMERICAN. God I hate them all. GOP, “Tea Party,” libs, Dems I don’t care. They’re all in on it, and they’ve known about this for years.


148 posted on 06/06/2013 9:26:31 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Black Agnes
Here are just a few threads from FR that cover a few years from around 2002-2007 - very chilling:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/807034/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1797295/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/838671/posts


149 posted on 06/06/2013 9:32:06 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Red in Blue PA

Ari Fleischer and Karl Rove defending obama. They agree with all of the eavesdropping,,,phone calls, internet, credit card purchases, everything.


150 posted on 06/06/2013 10:17:10 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: PieterCasparzen
It makes no sense to have intelligence services - whose mandate is “national security” - to be outside the chain of command of the military.

You bet and spending the American treasure overseas fighting compassionate decades long wars where the cash cargo's of C17s, pallets stacked in cash, disappeared...

National security? Who's kidding whom?

During Bush's reign, during war time, tens of millions entered the U.S. illegally and were given cash, prizes and gifts...Those who brought down the towers in 911 were invited in...After 911 more Muslims were allowed in than the previous two decades...The foreign terrorist who blew up the Boston Marathon, were given hundreds of thousands in gifts, prizes and tax dollars by the government.

National security?

151 posted on 06/06/2013 10:24:30 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Black Agnes

Just heard obama administration is going to go after/prosecute/punish the media for reporting all this stuff.


152 posted on 06/06/2013 10:26:58 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: PieterCasparzen
<...”Globalism just kind of plunks their people into all the high government positions around the world, however obviously conflicted they appear”....>

Yes, of course.....much like every nations government does among and with “their own”.... But important to remember the “Playing Field/Board Game” in Globalism encompasses ‘all’ nations “governing bodies” of each nation and throughout even the smaller governing bodies of states.etc.....they “groom” individuals to rise and take these positions.

Rather like the Mormon Corporation, though they call themselves a church. They “send” so called students to other countries, most with a vast array of languages under their belt, to recruit members for their organization...when in fact it's to continue, replace and enlarge the “revenues” of the membership so that the “boys” at the top of the organization can continue their vast array of land purchases, building and positioning their people within the Global Governance.

The students are simply the “grunts” of the operations.... (note: the truly bright and intelligent students are already in the loop to advance politically or for placement in corporations which will prepare them for political office at a later time.)

As you likely know the Mormon Corporation is,and has already been, International with Global Aspirations with their own political ideology and agenda. They have a certain degree of Power and certainly revenues to be influential Globally and are. So it's not just nation Governments attempting to position themselves...but organizations and church groups, and their leaders... all headed to play a role they aspire to on a Global Basis.

153 posted on 06/06/2013 10:35:50 PM PDT by caww
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To: Black Agnes

Oh, good grief! Now McCain is blaming Bush for it,,,AND defending obama doing it!


154 posted on 06/06/2013 10:38:30 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: PghBaldy

One of the greatest Surveillance Systems today is “Google”...they track everything you do and where you go...and very cozy with this administration. Further they control the information they give you. Most people never use www. etc....they simply “Google everything. Anything you put on-line is tracked already....if you’ve ever used a tracking block you quickly see who the culprits are..and Google is one of the biggest offenders.


155 posted on 06/06/2013 10:43:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: Red in Blue PA
1.    Verizon
 
2.
 
3.
 
4.
 
5.
 
6.
 
7.
 
8.
 
9.
 
 
OK, folks, let's fill in the blanks here.
 

156 posted on 06/06/2013 10:46:11 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: lyby
Bo isn't operating in or for the Constitution...and few in our Congress as well.

... And when the people protest they give them a pacifier while they prepare the milk you're going to drink.... That is how it is now.... all so they can stay employed and reap the perks and benefits of ‘information’ they are privy to in order to retire wealthy.

This while they put on the show that will entertain us and give false hope that things are going to get better for the nation and it's people.

The IRS corruption is throughout all areas of the government now..not to mention the infiltration of our enemies.

157 posted on 06/06/2013 10:51:40 PM PDT by caww
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Nameless spooks or beaurocrats or Hillary & Bill? It will be one interesting Summer, that is for sure.


158 posted on 06/06/2013 10:53:40 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: chessplayer

The whistle-blowers are patriots. Heck, after ll this, I’m starting to think we should nullify everything. Everything.


159 posted on 06/06/2013 10:57:35 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: PghBaldy
I guess this should be ten instead of nine:
 
1.    Verizon
 
2.    Mircrosoft   
 
3.    Yahoo
 
4.    Google
 
5.    Facebook
 
6.    PalTalk
 
7.    AOL
 
8.    Skype
 
9.    YouTube
 
10.    Apple
 
 
 
 

160 posted on 06/06/2013 11:03:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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