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NSA taps in to internet giants' systems to mine user data, secret files reveal
The Guardian ^ | June 5 2013 | Glenn Greenwald and Ewen MacAskill

Posted on 06/06/2013 6:24:44 PM PDT by Hojczyk

• Top secret PRISM program claims direct access to servers of firms including Google, Facebook and Apple

• Companies deny any knowledge of program in operation since 2007

The National Security Agency has obtained direct access to the systems of Google, Facebook, Apple and other US internet giants, according to a top secret document obtained by the Guardian.

The NSA access is part of a previously undisclosed program called PRISM, which allows officials to collect material including search history, the content of emails, file transfers and live chats, the document says.

The Guardian has verified the authenticity of the document, a 41-slide PowerPoint presentation – classified as top secret with no distribution to foreign allies – which was apparently used to train intelligence operatives on the capabilities of the program. The document claims "collection directly from the servers" of major US service providers.

Although the presentation claims the program is run with the assistance of the companies, all those who responded to a Guardian request for comment on Thursday denied knowledge of any such program.

In a statement, Google said: "Google cares deeply about the security of our users' data. We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government 'back door' into our systems, but Google does not have a back door for the government to access private user data."

Several senior tech executives insisted that they had no knowledge of PRISM or of any similar scheme. They said they would never have been involved in such a program. "If they are doing this, they are doing it without our knowledge," one said.

An Apple spokesman said it had "never heard" of PRISM.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: fbi; nsa; policestate; prism

1 posted on 06/06/2013 6:24:44 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Looks like they can blame it on BUSH????


2 posted on 06/06/2013 6:25:19 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Big Brother.


3 posted on 06/06/2013 6:28:51 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Hojczyk

Remember Echelon?


4 posted on 06/06/2013 6:29:05 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Hojczyk
Another thread cites a NYTimes statement as follows:

"The editorial board claimed Obama 'is proving the truism that the executive will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it.'"

The free circulation of ideas in America, with all the technology available today, has the potential for restoring the concepts of individual liberty which so-called "progressives" have censored from the nation's textbooks and public discourse. As in the founding period, with current technology and ability to circulate ideas, the time has come to follow John Adams advice and, "Let every sluice of knowledge be opened and set a-flowing." - A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law, 1765

"The jaws of power are always open to devour, and her arm is always stretched out, if possible, to destroy the freedom of thinking, speaking, and writing." - JOHN ADAMS, A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law

"Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have a right, from the frame of their nature, to knowledge, as their great Creator, who does nothing in vain, has given them understandings, and a desire to know; but besides this, they have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge, I mean, of the characters and conduct of their rulers." - A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law, 1765

"Set before us the conduct of our own British ancestors, who defended for us the inherent rights of mankind against foreign and domestic tyrants and usurpers, against arbitrary kings and cruel priests; in short against the gates of earth and hell." - A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law, 1765

"But none of the means of information are more sacred, or have been cherished with more tenderness and care by the settlers of America, than the press. Care has been taken that the art of printing should be encouraged, and that it should be easy and cheap and safe for any person to communicate his thoughts to the public. And you, Messieurs printers, whatever the tyrants of the earth may say of your paper, have done important service to your country by your readiness and freedom in publishing the speculations of the curious. The stale, impudent insinuations of slander and sedition with which the gormandizers of power have endeavored to discredit your paper are so much the more to your honor; for the jaws of power are always opened to devour, and her arm is always stretched out, if possible, to destroy the freedom of thinking, speaking, and writing." - A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law, 1765

Here

5 posted on 06/06/2013 6:31:21 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Hojczyk

Duz dis meen dey can fil a buk wif da meny gnu nayms ubama haz amast?


6 posted on 06/06/2013 6:32:50 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: TBP

Remember “Able Danger”? Let’s only hope they run this one as incompetently..


7 posted on 06/06/2013 6:36:48 PM PDT by lwd
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To: Hojczyk

And I would guess that the GCHQ (the UK equivalent agency of the NSA) does the same thing on their side of the pond).


8 posted on 06/06/2013 6:41:22 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Hojczyk

A momentous decision, Roe vs Wade, was made on the basis of the
“Right to privacy”. I assume that the same decision could not
be reached today because there is no right or presumption of
privacy with this endlessly snooping administration.


9 posted on 06/06/2013 6:42:23 PM PDT by Designed
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To: Hojczyk
Bush went after terrorists.

0bama's going after Americans who do not agree with him.

BIG DIFFERENCE! 0bama is "The road to hell" and Bush was "is paved with good intentions" part.

The big question here is, 'Who maintains a master database of names of Americans considered 'domestic terrorists' SIMPLY FOR BEING POLITICALLY CONSERVATIVE?' Is the DHS deriving such a list using the NSA's data on Americans?

10 posted on 06/06/2013 6:53:10 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Hojczyk

The Obama administration has turned its most powerful intelligence systems against the citizens. The government is screwing with the people. The people have had enough. America is a tinderbox tonight. PREDICTION: Government will give ground or it will be very ugly up ahead.


11 posted on 06/06/2013 7:00:13 PM PDT by Rapscallion (Get a special prosecutor right now!!!)
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To: TBP

thanks.. I was trying to remember the name of that program..


12 posted on 06/06/2013 7:02:15 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Hojczyk
Valerie Jarrett.

5.56mm

13 posted on 06/06/2013 7:03:00 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Hojczyk; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

14 posted on 06/06/2013 7:09:40 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: MestaMachine

HAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahaha....we’re all going to have to be talking in code soon...


15 posted on 06/06/2013 7:18:21 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: goodnesswins

Oui kan kawl yt funglish.


16 posted on 06/06/2013 7:26:20 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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This is a diversion.


17 posted on 06/06/2013 7:27:58 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: null and void

IRONY, I presume?


18 posted on 06/06/2013 7:31:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Rapscallion

One of my favorite songs FOR EVER. And hearing it yet again today was struck by the computer data and gov’t healthcare interactions:

Rush, “2112”:

“We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls.
We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls.

Look around this world we made
Equality our stock in trade
Come and join the Brotherhood of Man
Oh what a nice contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand.”

And your post reminds me of that anti-government song from 1969 by Steppenwolf, “Monster”:

“And though the past has its share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But its protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it’s a monster and will not obey

The spirit was freedom and justice
And its keepers seemed generous and kind
Its leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won’t pay it no mind
Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
Now their vote is a meaningless joke.....

...Yeah, there’s a monster on the loose
It’s got our heads into the noose
And it just sits there watchin’....”

...America, where are you now
Don’t you care about your sons and daughters
Don’t you know we need you now
We can’t fight alone against the monster”


19 posted on 06/06/2013 7:38:46 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

ALWAYS!


20 posted on 06/06/2013 7:40:07 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: goodnesswins

Les sanglots longs / des violons / de l’automne /Blessent mon coeur / d’une langueur / monotone

If you’re up on your WW2 history, you know the rest. Funny what date it is today...


21 posted on 06/06/2013 7:42:32 PM PDT by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: Hojczyk

So they can read my keyboard strokes as I type and tell how many times I call my wife and kids on my Verizon cellphone but they can’t keep two Chechens from blowing up the Boston Marathon or a nutjob jihadist Army shrink from killing American soldiers?

What kind of incompetent arseholes are working for the NSA?


22 posted on 06/06/2013 9:25:13 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: 43north
"What kind of incompetent arseholes are working for the NSA?"

They're only incompetent if you assume they are working for our benefit.

23 posted on 06/06/2013 9:40:04 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Hojczyk
The Clapper Caper

From thehill.com... (his head was down from what I saw of the video - looked very concerned about what he was saying and there was a "pregnant pause")...

"Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" committee member Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) asked Clapper during the March 12 hearing.

In response, Clapper replied quickly: "No, sir."

"There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect [intelligence on Americans], but not wittingly," the U.S. intelligence chief told Wyden and the rest of the committee.


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-and-strategy/304009-clapper-denied-nsa-surveillance-in-us-weeks-before-verizon-tracking-program-began-#ixzz2VV8kTT5L

More from this Guardian article...



The act also gives the director of national intelligence and the attorney general power to permit obtaining intelligence information, and indemnifies internet companies against any actions arising as a result of co-operating with authorities' requests.

In short, where previously the NSA needed individual authorisations, and confirmation that all parties were outside the USA, they now need only reasonable suspicion that one of the parties was outside the country at the time of the records were collected by the NSA.

The document also shows the FBI acts as an intermediary between other agencies and the tech companies, and stresses its reliance on the participation of US internet firms, claiming "access is 100% dependent on ISP provisioning".

In the document, the NSA hails the PRISM program as "one of the most valuable, unique and productive accesses for NSA".

It boasts of what it calls "strong growth" in its use of the PRISM program to obtain communications. The document highlights the number of obtained communications increased in 2012 by 248% for Skype – leading the notes to remark there was "exponential growth in Skype reporting; looks like the word is getting out about our capability against Skype". There was also a 131% increase in requests for Facebook data, and 63% for Google.

24 posted on 06/06/2013 9:41:44 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: 43north

“... but they can’t keep two Chechens from blowing up the Boston Marathon...”

There is so much data out there that it is pretty tough to figure out something before hand. But, to me it was pretty amazing how quickly they had names to go with the blurry faces caught on video cameras, and the wide net they cast over their associates. It takes some type of event to get them to start looking at all of the person(s) data to put a case against them.

I wonder when a PayPal donation to Sarah Palin or the NRA will start the data search. Or a post on FreeRepu..... excuse me - there’s a knock at my door.


25 posted on 06/06/2013 10:12:01 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: 43north
What kind of incompetent arseholes are working for the NSA?

muslim brotherhood kind.

26 posted on 06/07/2013 4:02:03 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Hojczyk

People are forgetting that this government has identified Tea Partiers, gun control advocates and other conservatives as “terrorists”. When we read that the phone spying efforts were aimed at rooting out terrorists and their networks, I do not think that the government thinks that “terrorist” means what we think it means. I think that they wanted to monitor US calling patterns to identify conservatives and their allies.


27 posted on 06/07/2013 8:13:35 AM PDT by Piranha (We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.)
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To: TBP

“Remember Echelon?”

Below is a little primer on Echelon for those who have forgotten, never knew or never cared about Echelon:

A short history of Echelon, the grandparent of Prism:
http://echelononline.free.fr/documents/dc/inside_echelon.htm

The world’s most secret electronic surveillance system has its main origin in the conflicts of the Second World War. In a deeper sense, it results from the invention of radio and the fundamental nature of telecommunications. The creation of radio permitted governments and other communicators to pass messages to receivers over transcontinental distances. But there was a penalty - anyone else could listen in. Previously, written messages were physically secure (unless the courier carrying them was ambushed, or a spy compromised communications). The invention of radio thus created a new importance for cryptography, the art and science of making secret codes. It also led to the business of signals intelligence, now an industrial scale activity.

Although the largest surveillance network is run by the US NSA, it is far from alone. Russia, China, France and other nations operate worldwide networks. Dozens of advanced nations use sigint as a key source of intelligence. Even smaller European nations such as Denmark, the Netherlands or Switzerland have recently constructed small, Echelon-like stations to obtain and process intelligence by eavesdropping on civil satellite communications.

During the 20th century, governments realised the importance of effective secret codes. But they were often far from successful. During the Second World War, huge allied codebreaking establishments in Britain and America analysed and read hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese signals. What they did and how they did it remained a cloely-guarded secret for decades afterwards. In the intervening period, the US and British sigint agencies, NSA and Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) constructed their worldwide listening network.

The system was established under a secret 1947 “UKUSA Agreement,” which brought together the British and American systems, personnel and stations. To this was soon joined the networks of three British commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Later, other countries including Norway, Denmark, Germany and Turkey signed secret sigint agreements with the United States and became “third parties” participants in the UKUSA network.

Besides integrating their stations, each country appoints senior officials to work as liaison staff at the others’ headquarters. The United States operates a Special US Liaison Office (SUSLO) in London and Cheltenham, while a SUKLO official from GCHQ has his own suite of offices inside NSA headquarters at Fort Meade, between Washington and Baltimore.

Under the UKUSA agreement, the five main English-speaking countries took responsibility for overseeing surveillance in different parts of the globe . Britain’s zone included Africa and Europe, east to the Ural Mountains of the former USSR; Canada covered northern latitudes and polar regions; Australia covered Oceania. The agreement prescribed common procedures, targets, equipment and methods that the sigint agencies would use.

Among them were international regulations for sigint security , which required that before anyone was admitted to knowledge of the arrangements for obtaining and handling sigint, they must first undertake a lifelong commitment to secrecy.

Every individual joining a UKUSA sigint organisation must be “indoctrinated” and, often “re-indoctrinated” each time they are admitted to knowledge of a specific project. They are told only what they “need to know”, and that the need for total secrecy about their work “never ceases”.


28 posted on 06/07/2013 9:04:20 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: Grampa Dave
During the Second World War, huge allied codebreaking establishments in Britain and America analysed and read hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese signals.

And Spain used to send deliberate mistranslations of Anglo-American communications to Germany.

29 posted on 06/07/2013 9:25:03 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: 43north

Maybe it’s not incompetence.


30 posted on 06/07/2013 9:57:06 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

It looks like The Clapper committed perjury.


31 posted on 06/07/2013 9:57:48 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP
Remember Echelon?

Ain't it funny how stuff that was considered 'tinfoil hat' a decade ago is now mainstream?

...And folks just take it in stride... The frog is boiled.

32 posted on 06/07/2013 10:02:23 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: TBP

“Spain used to send deliberate mistranslations of Anglo-American communications to Germany”

Thanks, I love the often undocumented history of the counter espionage actions.


33 posted on 06/07/2013 11:10:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: Grampa Dave

One example:

When the Allies were going to meet at Casablanca (in Morocco, well within the range of German bombers), Franco sent it to Berlin as “Casa Blanca” which would be the White House. They didn’t have that kind of range.


34 posted on 06/07/2013 11:14:32 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: 21twelve

“I wonder when a PayPal donation to Sarah Palin or the NRA will start the data search. Or a post on FreeRepu..... excuse me - there’s a knock at my door.”

Probably as soon as you enter the data via your keyboard.

I donate monthly to FR, and I have donated to the Swift Boat Vets, Sarah, NRA and others hated by the left wing fascists.

We know this really paranoid guy, and he believes that by not paying his bills electronically he escapes any surveillance.

I asked him if he got a monthly summary from his bank, and he said, “Yes”.

Then I asked him if that was a hand written summary with no electronics used like a spread sheet. He stopped eating his dinner with that reality call.


35 posted on 06/07/2013 11:21:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: TBP

I know that the OSS did tricks like below. I didn’t realize we had friends in Spain who helped us with missinfo.

When the Allies were going to meet at Casablanca (in Morocco, well within the range of German bombers), Franco sent it to Berlin as “Casa Blanca” which would be the White House. They didn’t have that kind of range.


36 posted on 06/07/2013 11:33:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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