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Phone Records Shared With U.K.
Daily Beast ^ | 06.07.13 | Eli Lake

Posted on 06/07/2013 5:28:31 AM PDT by Perdogg

At least one foreign government has gained access to sensitive data collected by the National Security Agency from U.S. telecommunications companies in dragnet court warrants demanding the secret transfer of U.S. customers’ calling records.

(Excerpt) Read more at thedailybeast.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bilderberg; elilake; nsa; verizonphonerecords

1 posted on 06/07/2013 5:28:31 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

I’m not even sure what to say at this point..

I would say I’m shocked but nothing this Administration does shocks me.

Remember when Clinton was selling secrets to China?


2 posted on 06/07/2013 5:35:30 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Perdogg

I was just trying to watch a video, and it started with an ad for The Verizon Share Everything Plan. What are they thinking?


3 posted on 06/07/2013 5:36:04 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Perdogg

I,m sure Obama would be happy to share the dat with Hamas and al Qaeda.


4 posted on 06/07/2013 5:41:04 AM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Paladin2

He probably didn’t even charge them for it.


5 posted on 06/07/2013 5:41:45 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Perdogg

The NSA frequently came to our campus to recruit in the 1980’s. It was the general consensus that they had access to everybody’s phone calls, and could pretty much eavesdrop on us at-will.

The usual story was that we let the Brits spy on our people domestically, while we did the same to Her Majesty’s Subjects. Then we’d just exchange the intel.


6 posted on 06/07/2013 6:02:14 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Paladin2

He probably already has.


7 posted on 06/07/2013 6:04:11 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Perdogg

Lovely.

Sharing universal phonetaps with a country that really has no freedom of speech whatsoever and is poular with muslims doing libel lawfare.


8 posted on 06/07/2013 6:04:30 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Paladin2

That is essentially what he has been doing, actually...


9 posted on 06/07/2013 6:05:17 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Buckeye McFrog
The usual story was that we let the Brits spy on our people domestically, while we did the same to Her Majesty’s Subjects. Then we’d just exchange the intel.

Yes - I mentioned on a different thread the other day that I'd parused a book called "Those Angry Days" about the fight between FDR and America First (focusing on Charles Lindbergh) prior to Pearl Harbor. Part of it dealt with FDR ok'ing the Brits spying on Americans here in the US ...
10 posted on 06/07/2013 6:08:36 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Perdogg

At least one...


11 posted on 06/07/2013 6:10:23 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Perdogg

Where’s the ACLU in all this?


12 posted on 06/07/2013 6:50:56 AM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: Perdogg

Sounds like the NSA must have goat pics on Pansy Graham and Saxby Chambliss. Shame on them for going along with this.

And still... Obama is untouched by any of these scandals...

I’ve become so disgusted with this country, it’s beyond words.


13 posted on 06/07/2013 6:59:13 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Perdogg
You know, there were some on here that warned of the potential abuses of the Patriot act. Most probably scoffed, I know that I kinda rolled my eyes at the time....

Those people were right. Those libertarian types were right..

14 posted on 06/07/2013 7:07:47 AM PDT by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: Perdogg
I'm waiting for Obama to come forward and tell us all that collecting our data and sharing it with foreign governments is keeping us safe while the feckless journalists (a.k.a. Cheerleaders) sit silent and forgo pointing out that Muslims are walking across the border. It's the only act missing from the Keystone Cop, Kabuki theater mash up.
15 posted on 06/07/2013 7:17:51 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: liberalh8ter

Sigh for America;I am also saddened and disgusted.Collectively,nobody cares.Most Americans heads are you know where and/or just trying to live day by day.


16 posted on 06/07/2013 7:23:10 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: shanover

That’s just it. A flourishing economy gives people time to pay attention to what the political elite are up to while struggling to make it day to day keeps us busy enough to ignore D.C. There’s only incentive to keep us focused on survival.


17 posted on 06/07/2013 7:36:06 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: ScottinVA
And still... Obama is untouched by any of these scandals...

I’ve become so disgusted with this country, it’s beyond words.

It almost goes without saying, the sheeple are fine with things. Today's Ras is -8, an 8 point swing from the -16 of June 3.

18 posted on 06/07/2013 7:53:50 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Perdogg

People are forgetting that this government has identified Tea Partiers, gun control advocates and other conservatives as “terrorists”. When we read that the phone spying efforts were aimed at rooting out terrorists and their networks, I do not think that the government thinks that “terrorist” means what we think it means. I think that they wanted to monitor US calling patterns to identify conservatives and their allies.


19 posted on 06/07/2013 8:05:37 AM PDT by Piranha (We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.)
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To: C210N
It almost goes without saying, the sheeple are fine with things. Today's Ras is -8, an 8 point swing from the -16 of June 3.

Yep... the steeptards are quite comfortable with shackles. They give a sense of "security."

20 posted on 06/07/2013 8:05:37 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: ScottinVA

*sheeptards


21 posted on 06/07/2013 8:05:59 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Perdogg

We have been sharing elint, electronic data, with the UK since WWII and with Echelon starting in 1947:

A short history of Echelon, the grandparent of Prism:
http://echelononline.free.fr/documents/dc/inside_echelon.htm

The world’s most secret electronic surveillance system has its main origin in the conflicts of the Second World War. In a deeper sense, it results from the invention of radio and the fundamental nature of telecommunications. The creation of radio permitted governments and other communicators to pass messages to receivers over transcontinental distances. But there was a penalty - anyone else could listen in. Previously, written messages were physically secure (unless the courier carrying them was ambushed, or a spy compromised communications). The invention of radio thus created a new importance for cryptography, the art and science of making secret codes. It also led to the business of signals intelligence, now an industrial scale activity.

Although the largest surveillance network is run by the US NSA, it is far from alone. Russia, China, France and other nations operate worldwide networks. Dozens of advanced nations use sigint as a key source of intelligence. Even smaller European nations such as Denmark, the Netherlands or Switzerland have recently constructed small, Echelon-like stations to obtain and process intelligence by eavesdropping on civil satellite communications.

During the 20th century, governments realised the importance of effective secret codes. But they were often far from successful. During the Second World War, huge allied codebreaking establishments in Britain and America analysed and read hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese signals. What they did and how they did it remained a cloely-guarded secret for decades afterwards. In the intervening period, the US and British sigint agencies, NSA and Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) constructed their worldwide listening network.

The system was established under a secret 1947 “UKUSA Agreement,” which brought together the British and American systems, personnel and stations. To this was soon joined the networks of three British commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Later, other countries including Norway, Denmark, Germany and Turkey signed secret sigint agreements with the United States and became “third parties” participants in the UKUSA network.

Besides integrating their stations, each country appoints senior officials to work as liaison staff at the others’ headquarters. The United States operates a Special US Liaison Office (SUSLO) in London and Cheltenham, while a SUKLO official from GCHQ has his own suite of offices inside NSA headquarters at Fort Meade, between Washington and Baltimore.

Under the UKUSA agreement, the five main English-speaking countries took responsibility for overseeing surveillance in different parts of the globe . Britain’s zone included Africa and Europe, east to the Ural Mountains of the former USSR; Canada covered northern latitudes and polar regions; Australia covered Oceania. The agreement prescribed common procedures, targets, equipment and methods that the sigint agencies would use.

Among them were international regulations for sigint security , which required that before anyone was admitted to knowledge of the arrangements for obtaining and handling sigint, they must first undertake a lifelong commitment to secrecy.

Every individual joining a UKUSA sigint organisation must be “indoctrinated” and, often “re-indoctrinated” each time they are admitted to knowledge of a specific project. They are told only what they “need to know”, and that the need for total secrecy about their work “never ceases”.


22 posted on 06/07/2013 8:54:35 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The usual story was that we let the Brits spy on our people domestically, while we did the same to Her Majesty’s Subjects. Then we’d just exchange the intel.”

That was not just the usual story. It has been reality since about 1947 and probably before then.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3028428/posts?page=22#22


23 posted on 06/07/2013 9:01:27 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: ConservativeMan55

I call the UK every week and I guarantee that I conversations have been tapped, and the Govt tracking me.


24 posted on 06/07/2013 9:11:08 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: ConservativeMan55; Perdogg

Breaking: NSA Eavesdropped on People Whom They Had Personal Grudges (Audio)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3028595/posts


25 posted on 06/07/2013 10:52:27 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: Grampa Dave

I still cannot travel to a communist or formerly communist country or marry a foreign national without permission. I left in 1983.


26 posted on 06/07/2013 10:54:20 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nor can you or probably your spouse join the peace corp.

I left in 1967.


27 posted on 06/07/2013 11:06:06 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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