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SCE to Retire California San Onofre Reactors
Reuters ^ | June 7, 2013 | Reuters Staff

Posted on 06/07/2013 8:15:11 AM PDT by kidd

Southern California Edison, a unit of California power company Edison International, decided to permanently retire the San Onofre nuclear power plant, forcing California to find other electric sources to help keep the lights on in the future.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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Unit 2 closed due to a technicality (the license says that the plant must be able to operate at 100% power, but the plant wanted to run at 70% power on a shortened cycle to demonstrate that no new problems would occur). Unit 3 closed due to steam generators that required difficult repairs, or replacement, and the manufacturer (Mitsubishi Heavy Industries) did not provide a warranty for replacement power.
1 posted on 06/07/2013 8:15:11 AM PDT by kidd
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To: kidd

With plentiful natural gas available in any state that is smart enough to permit fracking, nuclear power plants are obsolete.


2 posted on 06/07/2013 8:17:26 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: kidd

The fearmongered version of this information can be found at:
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2013-06-07/calif-dot-utility-says-it-will-retire-nuclear-plant

There was never a safety concern. This is a replacement power cost / uncertainty issue.


3 posted on 06/07/2013 8:18:22 AM PDT by kidd
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To: kidd
I'm shocked to hear this. Do I need the sarcasm tag?
4 posted on 06/07/2013 8:18:33 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: txrefugee

In the short term, you are correct.

In the long term, as the United States becomes an exporter of natural gas, and the subsequent increase in price, nuclear power would once again look favorable.


5 posted on 06/07/2013 8:20:11 AM PDT by kidd
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To: SoCal Pubbie

So, I’m guessin’ coal ain’t on the list. It sent a jolt down my spine. (what there is left of it) Kind of amp’d up to see what jewel they come up with.


6 posted on 06/07/2013 8:21:14 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: txrefugee

They have been beaten up like crazy from our Senator Boxer and somethings are just not worth it. It should have been running months ago. The anti-nuc crowd is huge here.


7 posted on 06/07/2013 8:21:30 AM PDT by edcoil (If you can't change the rules, then ignore them.)
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To: edcoil

California goes further into the stone age. Maybe all the illegals will have some new ideas.


8 posted on 06/07/2013 8:25:03 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: kidd

neighbor states should tell CA to screw off.

Restrictions to produce power in CA have forced them to rely on power generated out of state.

To hell with CA!


9 posted on 06/07/2013 8:26:50 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: hal ogen

No just the same old ideas, grunt, scream, riot and kill.


10 posted on 06/07/2013 8:27:42 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: kidd

Earth is now in a Nuclear Age, and I’d say that humans will soon come up with more reliable nuclear plants.


11 posted on 06/07/2013 8:31:11 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: kidd

If the structures are ever torn down, will it be considered an industrial mastectomy?


12 posted on 06/07/2013 8:32:23 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: txrefugee

If, by some dream, we can get can rid of the islamism currently at the root of our government, we’ll be able to exploit the fuller potential of our own natural resources again. Though right now that seems as hard to reach as Mars.


13 posted on 06/07/2013 8:32:40 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: kidd
The first concern of every good Californian should be on the welfare of the Spotted Owl. So the closing of this plant is a good thing. If ALL forms of modern energy collection could be removed from the state, then the path to paradise is assured.

And in case you're wondering what the SECOND concern of every good Californian should be, the answer is obvious:

MORE TAXPAYER-FUNDED HIGH-SPEED RAIL!!!!!!

14 posted on 06/07/2013 8:44:26 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: kidd

Bad news. Going to be an interesting summer.


15 posted on 06/07/2013 8:49:56 AM PDT by TheDon (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.)
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To: kidd

Good luck with those power bills.


16 posted on 06/07/2013 8:50:22 AM PDT by EricT. (Another Muslim terrorist. Who saw that coming?)
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To: hal ogen

We are changing the state flag to reflect the great achievements of Don Quixote.

Apparently he and Jerry Brown bear a striking resemblance.


17 posted on 06/07/2013 8:50:26 AM PDT by edcoil (If you can't change the rules, then ignore them.)
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To: edpc

18 posted on 06/07/2013 8:51:57 AM PDT by EricT. (Another Muslim terrorist. Who saw that coming?)
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To: rktman
Kind of amp’d up to see what jewel they come up with.

They will use birdbaths to harvest the energy in moonbeams. Of course, this will take billions of taxpayer dollars to get things started.

19 posted on 06/07/2013 8:59:20 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: kidd
Former SCE chair, founder of the Natural Resources Defense Council, and former Commerce Secretary John Bryson set this process in motion. The goal of energy racketeering in California is to make money in carbon offsets.
20 posted on 06/07/2013 9:00:38 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: kidd

It’s going to be a long hot summer.


21 posted on 06/07/2013 9:02:14 AM PDT by Dogbert41 (Thy Kingdom come!)
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To: edpc

YES!!!


22 posted on 06/07/2013 9:03:24 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: kidd

Another bonehead move by the liberals. We’ll all be throwing spears soon.


23 posted on 06/07/2013 9:04:09 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Leaning Right

And then be an abject failure. Go greenies.


24 posted on 06/07/2013 9:04:25 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: kidd
This would leave Diablo Canyon as the only nuke plant left in California. I guess California is going to have to get used to paying outrageous prices for electricity, and live with rationing of power and rolling blackouts. I live ten miles away from a hydroelectric dam, and my electric bill is dirt cheap, and I will encourage the locals to make sure it stays that way by supporting the local utility.
25 posted on 06/07/2013 9:17:19 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: kidd

Isn’t the People’s Democratic Republic of California running a bit short in power generate capability?


26 posted on 06/07/2013 9:20:22 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: txrefugee
With plentiful natural gas available in any state that is smart enough to permit fracking, nuclear power plants are obsolete.

I wouldn't go that far to say obsolete. San Onofre ran for 40 years. Nobody can predict that cheap natural gas will be available for the next 4 decades.
27 posted on 06/07/2013 9:33:33 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: edcoil
The state flag features the Chinese red star and the Russian bear. The politicians are doing their best to live up to those symbols.
28 posted on 06/07/2013 9:34:00 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Little Ray
I purchased a PC backup power supply for my room in San Diego. It will keep my cell phone running for days. Enough time to pack out and drive home to Idaho (where I'm currently sitting).
29 posted on 06/07/2013 9:36:25 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: kidd

We need a video with the the Electric Nazi:

“no juice for you!”


30 posted on 06/07/2013 9:38:21 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: hal ogen
Methane from beans?

(I'm sorry, was that racist?)

31 posted on 06/07/2013 9:38:47 AM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: kidd

As long as they can replace with natural gas, combined cycle with 50% thermal efficiency; rate payers should actually save.

But to depend on one primary fuel source, that is not stored at the generating plant; is risky. Pipeline failures do occur and we know what it is like to make improvements on pipelines.


32 posted on 06/07/2013 9:44:23 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: kidd
So, if I read the article correctly, the San Onofre Reactors were done-in by DC, as in the Washington DC-based Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC). The NRC did not reject SCE's plan to restart Unit 2 at 70% because rejections can be legally appealed. Instead SCE was placed in legal and financial limbo through the politics of process-paralysis and deliberate bureaucratic slow-walking. As a result, I don't blame SCE for simply saying: "No mas!" '
33 posted on 06/07/2013 9:51:24 AM PDT by Trentamj
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To: rktman

Heh heh. “amped up”.


34 posted on 06/07/2013 10:03:24 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: rktman

“...So, I’m guessin’ coal ain’t on the list....”

Ummmmmmmm....no.
I worked out there for a few months on a couple of combined-cycle gas plants during the “Gray Slave-us” administration. We were at Moss Landing Power Station just north of Monterrey. They had a couple of old 1000MW oil-fired units there that they PGE had to convert to natural gas and take the de-rate on. PGE had to pay all the surrounding residents some kind of stipend due to burning oil. PGE had sold the site to Duke Energy.
So nuclear is now out, oil is out, coal is out.
Surrounding states should refuse to sell them power..and water.
When I was there, there were rolling blackouts almost every day. Yet, we still had to fend our way thru the plant gate every day because of a bunch of old hippie protesters out there every morning and evening.
IMHO, CA doesn’t even deserve electricity. I wouldn’t trade a square inch of south Texas desert for the whole damn state. I’ll never go back there.
If you’re conservative and live there, I feel for ya.


35 posted on 06/07/2013 10:06:54 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Trentamj

Sort of.

SONGS, and three independent firms, had completed numerous safety evaluations that showed that SONGS-2 could operate at 70% power safely.

A member of the NRC (Emmett Murphy) looked at the license for SONGS and noted that it could only operate if the plant was capable of operating at full power. While operating at a lesser power is less of a strain on the plant, it was nevertheless outside of its license criteria.

SCE asked for a license ammendment. By law, such an ammendment is subject to public hearings.

Technically, the NRC followed the law. In fact, I’d say the NRC was leaning in favor of getting SONGS-2 to restart.

However, for reasons that I’m not clear about, the NRC was going to allow a series of public hearings on the SONGS license ammendment. SCE must have thought that spending more money to respond to public hearing queries would be prohibitively expensive.


36 posted on 06/07/2013 10:07:44 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Little Ray
Isn’t the People’s Democratic Republic of California running a bit short in power generate capability?

Yes. They need a cool wet summer.

But even if that happens, there is no room for growth. Which screws up the state's long term economic plans.

37 posted on 06/07/2013 10:11:10 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Dogbert41

It’s only supposed to be 108° Saturday /s


38 posted on 06/07/2013 10:12:28 AM PDT by twistedwrench
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To: edpc

mark


39 posted on 06/07/2013 10:21:55 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (The IRS--a softer Gestapo)
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To: EricT.

Somebody on ABCNEWS.COM said it was worth the upcoming black outs and increased electrical bills as long as we get rid of all nuclear plants. IDIOTS!!!!


40 posted on 06/07/2013 10:23:44 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: txrefugee
... in any state that is smart enough to permit fracking...."

Well, I guess that rules out California.

41 posted on 06/07/2013 10:40:54 AM PDT by bkopto (Obama and Biden are merely symptoms of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
We’ll all be throwing spears soon.

And living in caves. And walking about barefoot. This is EXACTLY what the leftists want.

42 posted on 06/07/2013 10:43:32 AM PDT by bkopto (Obama and Biden are merely symptoms of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: twistedwrench

Yeah, But its a dry heat....


43 posted on 06/07/2013 10:51:59 AM PDT by Garvin (When it comes to my freedom, there will be no debate. There will be a fight)
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To: lgjhn23

Scary that we’re only 9 miles east of the state line.


44 posted on 06/07/2013 11:02:31 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: kidd; Carry_Okie; Grampa Dave; tubebender; marsh2; budwiesest; WilliamofCarmichael; Amerigomag; ...
Just another monumental monument to GovernMental EnvironMental STUPIDITY!!!

Just as stupid as closing Rancho Seco and stopping the Auburn Dam when it was already 2/3rds built!!!

45 posted on 06/07/2013 11:27:42 AM PDT by SierraWasp ("Bitter Ender," "Bitter Clinger," Yes on both. COUNT ME IN!!! I love God and guns, but not gayness!!)
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Just as stupid as closing Rancho Seco and stopping the Auburn Dam when it was already 2/3rds built!!!

Same people.

46 posted on 06/07/2013 11:29:35 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Yup! Their only joy is to annoy!!! (and they sure are good at it!!!)


47 posted on 06/07/2013 11:41:26 AM PDT by SierraWasp ("Bitter Ender," "Bitter Clinger," Yes on both. COUNT ME IN!!! I love God and guns, but not gayness!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Yup! Their only joy is to annoy!!! (and they sure are good at it!!!)

Uh, no, their job is to make money for their sponsors.

48 posted on 06/07/2013 11:44:36 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: bkopto
This is EXACTLY what the leftists want.

Hussein Obama is using the leftists as useful idiots. After he and his merry band of traitors finish destroying the US economy, Hussein will then show that he really does work for the Muslims, terrorists that is. Pressure cooker bombs and Muslim gang rapes of American women.

Coming to a town near you soon.

49 posted on 06/07/2013 11:55:46 AM PDT by politicianslie (Most Americans can't even recognize massive election fraud. Our first Muslim President laughs at you)
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To: EricT.; edpc

It would be a major undertaking to take down those domes. The rebar in there is incredibly heavy and it’s packed so closely together that you wonder how they found space to add the concrete.

They will likely just leave them in place and remove the reactors.


50 posted on 06/07/2013 12:00:28 PM PDT by Pelham (Deport illegal aliens? Hell yes!)
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