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Clapper admits secret NSA surveillance program to access user data
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Posted on 06/07/2013 8:21:46 AM PDT by Perdogg

The US has admitted using a secret system to mine the systems of the biggest technology companies to spy on millions of people's online activity, overshadowing attempts by Barack Obama to force China to abandon its cyber-espionage program.

As concern mounted over the sweeping nature of US surveillance, the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, confirmed revelations by the Guardian that the National Security Agency uses companies such as Google, Facebook and Apple to obtain information that includes the content of emails and online files.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; clapper; dearleader; dni; govtabuse; jamesclapper; nsa; policestate; prism; surveillance; threatmatrix; tyranny
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1 posted on 06/07/2013 8:21:46 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg
Never forget.

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2 posted on 06/07/2013 8:24:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Perdogg

Funny this comes out the day before Dear Leader meet the Chinese in CA.


3 posted on 06/07/2013 8:26:15 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Perdogg

One name missing from all the hoopla about the electromatic spying? Bubba. Don’t over look that Bubba began the monitoring on his watch with the Echelon Program designed to capture all communications, overseas. It was the forerunner of what we have now, Echelon was an adolescent compared to what is going on today but nonetheless, it was the beginning. Of course then it was foreign collection.


4 posted on 06/07/2013 8:26:18 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Perdogg

So, we are once again involved in code breaking and looking at an enemies secrets.

The irony seems to be that we learned of Chinese Cyber surveillance by secret surveillance of their secrets.


5 posted on 06/07/2013 8:26:22 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....Lerner must be tried and executed..... crime against the Republic)
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To: Perdogg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QwiUVUJmGjs

6:49 mark

6 posted on 06/07/2013 8:27:05 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
sorry question is at 6:39. Clapper denies collecting any data on Americans at 6:49.
7 posted on 06/07/2013 8:29:33 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Maxine Waters: ‘Obama Has Put In Place’ Secret Database With ‘Everything On Everyone’ (Video)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49a_1360284775


8 posted on 06/07/2013 8:30:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Perdogg

The Guardian appears to be avoiding how England and other English Speaking countries set up Echelon, the grandparent of Prism:

A short history of Echelon, the grandparent of Prism:

http://echelononline.free.fr/documents/dc/inside_echelon.htm

The world’s most secret electronic surveillance system has its main origin in the conflicts of the Second World War. In a deeper sense, it results from the invention of radio and the fundamental nature of telecommunications. The creation of radio permitted governments and other communicators to pass messages to receivers over transcontinental distances. But there was a penalty - anyone else could listen in. Previously, written messages were physically secure (unless the courier carrying them was ambushed, or a spy compromised communications). The invention of radio thus created a new importance for cryptography, the art and science of making secret codes. It also led to the business of signals intelligence, now an industrial scale activity.

Although the largest surveillance network is run by the US NSA, it is far from alone. Russia, China, France and other nations operate worldwide networks. Dozens of advanced nations use sigint as a key source of intelligence. Even smaller European nations such as Denmark, the Netherlands or Switzerland have recently constructed small, Echelon-like stations to obtain and process intelligence by eavesdropping on civil satellite communications.

During the 20th century, governments realised the importance of effective secret codes. But they were often far from successful. During the Second World War, huge allied codebreaking establishments in Britain and America analysed and read hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese signals. What they did and how they did it remained a cloely-guarded secret for decades afterwards. In the intervening period, the US and British sigint agencies, NSA and Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) constructed their worldwide listening network.

The system was established under a secret 1947 “UKUSA Agreement,” which brought together the British and American systems, personnel and stations. To this was soon joined the networks of three British commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Later, other countries including Norway, Denmark, Germany and Turkey signed secret sigint agreements with the United States and became “third parties” participants in the UKUSA network.

Besides integrating their stations, each country appoints senior officials to work as liaison staff at the others’ headquarters. The United States operates a Special US Liaison Office (SUSLO) in London and Cheltenham, while a SUKLO official from GCHQ has his own suite of offices inside NSA headquarters at Fort Meade, between Washington and Baltimore.

Under the UKUSA agreement, the five main English-speaking countries took responsibility for overseeing surveillance in different parts of the globe . Britain’s zone included Africa and Europe, east to the Ural Mountains of the former USSR; Canada covered northern latitudes and polar regions; Australia covered Oceania. The agreement prescribed common procedures, targets, equipment and methods that the sigint agencies would use.

Among them were international regulations for sigint security , which required that before anyone was admitted to knowledge of the arrangements for obtaining and handling sigint, they must first undertake a lifelong commitment to secrecy.

Every individual joining a UKUSA sigint organisation must be “indoctrinated” and, often “re-indoctrinated” each time they are admitted to knowledge of a specific project. They are told only what they “need to know”, and that the need for total secrecy about their work “never ceases”.


9 posted on 06/07/2013 8:32:36 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: Perdogg

And after collecting all this private information illegally, and at great expense, they weren’t able to prevent the mad piece of $h!t from murdering people during the Boston Marathon.

Or didn’t try to prevent it.


10 posted on 06/07/2013 8:33:16 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: Perdogg
Clapper admits secret NSA surveillance program to access user data


11 posted on 06/07/2013 8:33:57 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Perdogg

Hey,Wong, mine’s bigger than yours!


12 posted on 06/07/2013 8:34:58 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Perdogg

People are forgetting that this government has identified Tea Partiers, gun control advocates and other conservatives as “terrorists”. When we read that the phone spying efforts were aimed at rooting out terrorists and their networks, I do not think that the government thinks that “terrorist” means what we think it means. I think that they wanted to monitor US calling patterns to identify conservatives and their allies.


13 posted on 06/07/2013 8:35:14 AM PDT by Piranha (We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.)
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To: Perdogg
director of national intelligence, James Clapper, confirmed National Security Agency obtains information that includes the content of emails and online files.

Ya just knew they were spying on all of our email...

14 posted on 06/07/2013 8:35:38 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: cripplecreek

The pins on her jacket are a nice touch


15 posted on 06/07/2013 8:35:44 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Liberals chant that ID for voting is racist, so isn't ID for purchasing a gun racist?)
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To: Perdogg
Cut The Crap Obama -- And The NSA
16 posted on 06/07/2013 8:38:27 AM PDT by blam
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To: Puppage

They tell ya the government is reading your email and you post cute pics for humor?


17 posted on 06/07/2013 8:38:33 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Mouton

not to mention Hilda’s thief of over 800 FBI files....to which she has never been held accountable


18 posted on 06/07/2013 8:38:34 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Piranha
this government has identified Tea Partiers, gun control advocates and other conservatives as “terrorists”.

I would say that from this govt's viewpoint, they/we are terrorists. We seek to stop this govt's current actions, and peaceably remove the people in charge of this govt. and undo much of what this govt. has done.

If you don't see why this govt. considers us terrorists, I don't know what to say.

19 posted on 06/07/2013 8:46:36 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Perdogg
The government simply is controlling us.
They did all of this spying on us as they continue to do so.
It's opposition data gathering. They didn't stop the Boston bombings, did they? They are lying to us.

You cannot tell me that they do not control the elections and the agenda from both parties. Rove is now defending this overreach. Both parties have went too far though Obama is the master violator. Unreal that impeachment hearings are not in the works. He gets away with everything. You or I could not. Now, we know why our side will not go after him. They know that he and his party operatives have had their secrets and of course they are afraid of the Chicago way so the overtake continues. Blame Obama but the repubs are just flat out not fighting back hard enough for me. This current Speaker, a reformer. he can't even align his members to win on a issue most of the times. Amnesty will finish their party. See California. Accountability has to be given/seen for anyone to even think of seeing/knowing wrongs are being made right. It's wrong/unconstitutional to gather our personal thoughts and private messages and to be spied upon. Police state for certain; the weak have got it. Both sides have failed by allowing this to even occur.

20 posted on 06/07/2013 8:46:40 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: Mouton

“One name missing from all the hoopla about the electromatic spying? Bubba. Don’t over look that Bubba began the monitoring on his watch with the Echelon Program designed to capture all communications, overseas. It was the forerunner of what we have now, Echelon was an adolescent compared to what is going on today but nonetheless, it was the beginning. Of course then it was foreign collection.”

Actually, Echelon was started in 1947. We can be sure that Bubba used and abused it along with his stolen FBI files on members of Congress, the Mediots and leaders of business.

A short history of Echelon, the grandparent of Prism:
http://echelononline.free.fr/documents/dc/inside_echelon.htm

The world’s most secret electronic surveillance system has its main origin in the conflicts of the Second World War. In a deeper sense, it results from the invention of radio and the fundamental nature of telecommunications. The creation of radio permitted governments and other communicators to pass messages to receivers over transcontinental distances. But there was a penalty - anyone else could listen in. Previously, written messages were physically secure (unless the courier carrying them was ambushed, or a spy compromised communications). The invention of radio thus created a new importance for cryptography, the art and science of making secret codes. It also led to the business of signals intelligence, now an industrial scale activity.

Although the largest surveillance network is run by the US NSA, it is far from alone. Russia, China, France and other nations operate worldwide networks. Dozens of advanced nations use sigint as a key source of intelligence. Even smaller European nations such as Denmark, the Netherlands or Switzerland have recently constructed small, Echelon-like stations to obtain and process intelligence by eavesdropping on civil satellite communications.

During the 20th century, governments realised the importance of effective secret codes. But they were often far from successful. During the Second World War, huge allied codebreaking establishments in Britain and America analysed and read hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese signals. What they did and how they did it remained a cloely-guarded secret for decades afterwards. In the intervening period, the US and British sigint agencies, NSA and Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) constructed their worldwide listening network.

The system was established under a secret 1947 “UKUSA Agreement,” which brought together the British and American systems, personnel and stations. To this was soon joined the networks of three British commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Later, other countries including Norway, Denmark, Germany and Turkey signed secret sigint agreements with the United States and became “third parties” participants in the UKUSA network.

Besides integrating their stations, each country appoints senior officials to work as liaison staff at the others’ headquarters. The United States operates a Special US Liaison Office (SUSLO) in London and Cheltenham, while a SUKLO official from GCHQ has his own suite of offices inside NSA headquarters at Fort Meade, between Washington and Baltimore.

Under the UKUSA agreement, the five main English-speaking countries took responsibility for overseeing surveillance in different parts of the globe . Britain’s zone included Africa and Europe, east to the Ural Mountains of the former USSR; Canada covered northern latitudes and polar regions; Australia covered Oceania. The agreement prescribed common procedures, targets, equipment and methods that the sigint agencies would use.

Among them were international regulations for sigint security , which required that before anyone was admitted to knowledge of the arrangements for obtaining and handling sigint, they must first undertake a lifelong commitment to secrecy.

Every individual joining a UKUSA sigint organisation must be “indoctrinated” and, often “re-indoctrinated” each time they are admitted to knowledge of a specific project. They are told only what they “need to know”, and that the need for total secrecy about their work “never ceases”.


21 posted on 06/07/2013 8:49:14 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: Piranha
Good point. There are too many "conservatives" in the media and among elected officials defending these programs as necessary for national security. They are willingly ceding our civil liberties in the name of security.

The government has developed the tools to turn this country into a police state overnight. Our freedom and liberty are dependent upon trusting government to exercise these capabilities responsibly and not violating our privacy and rights. When you have out of control agencies like the IRS, DOJ, EPA, etc., we should be very afraid.

22 posted on 06/07/2013 8:50:33 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Perdogg
National Security Agency obtains information that includes the content of emails and online files.

Coupled with the acknowledgement that government had undertaken a seven-year program to monitor the telephone calls of potentially millions of people in the US

It seems people like Alex Jones and many others, in regards to government, were absolutely correct all along.

23 posted on 06/07/2013 8:51:58 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Perdogg

When I went to bed last night I thought I was living in the year 2013. But I woke up this morning, read Drudge, and realized we’re all really living in 1984.

Unfortunately, this government has more tools at its disposal than Orwell ever dreamed possible.

And tragically, about half the people see no problem with revealing all personal information to anyone that wants it.

If this country was still populated by the sort of people who won WWII, Facebook’s stock price, and perhaps that of Google, Yahoo, and their ilk, would drop to zero today, and not ever recover. (I picked Facebook, since Zuckerberg is the single most influential person in the world when it comes to convincing people to “share” all their personal information. What could go wrong?)

Remember when it was illegal to read someone else’s mail without their permission, or mess with their mailbox. I think (?) it still is. Maybe the Post Office is due for a rebound?

Meanwhile, as I type, Big Brother monitors.....

If the GOP can’t figure out how to make hay with this one, we need a third party, and soon.


24 posted on 06/07/2013 8:54:34 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Christie at the beach

All of you that supported the Patriot Act, thank you.

This idea...I am soo afraid I need big government to help me so don’t complain that welfare checks go out. You made the government bigger, too... when some of us were saying oppose it. The government is almost at a point of no return when the powers to be are now defending spying on us is all good to them. Sorry, I am so angry about them spying on us all. For what.. 7 years...It’s opposition gathering and they in turn, drive the news/agenda/politics with that research.


25 posted on 06/07/2013 8:55:34 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: Perdogg
Clapper testified before Congress the opposite not too long ago:

" Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" committee member Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) asked Clapper during the March 12 hearing.

In response, Clapper replied quickly: "No, sir." "

Clapper denied NSA surveillance before Senate panel
THE HILL ^ | 6/6/2013 | Carlo Muñoz


26 posted on 06/07/2013 8:56:21 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Norseman; Perdogg
If the GOP can’t figure out how to make hay with this one, we need a third party

Huh?

It was the GOP insiders and Bush who concocted the Patriot Act and signed it into law...Many of us recoiled as Bush signed it...

Ya knew damn well it would be used against Americans.

Or did ya?

27 posted on 06/07/2013 9:02:16 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

it was the GOP insiders and Bush who concocted the Patriot Act and signed it into law...Many of us recoiled as Bush signed it...


Not only that, GOP cam whores like Grahamnesty are already defending the kenyan on this before we even have all the facts. They are going to immunize Obama by saying this is bipartisan. Evidence will be destroyed and we will never know what really went down.


28 posted on 06/07/2013 9:08:42 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: staytrue

A “terrorist” is one who is prepared to use violence or its threat to strike terror in the hearts of its opponents to demoralize them and force its goals. I certainly am not in that group and I suspect that virtually everyone at Free Republic shares my sentiment.


29 posted on 06/07/2013 9:11:52 AM PDT by Piranha (We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.)
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To: kabar

The tools are there. When a building is knocked down, the hard work is the laying of the wires and explosives over a period of months. The easy part is pressing the button to activate them. This government has been laying its tools for years.


30 posted on 06/07/2013 9:12:52 AM PDT by Piranha (We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.)
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To: dragnet2
They tell ya the government is reading your email and you post cute pics for humor?

You bet cha

31 posted on 06/07/2013 9:17:01 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: lodi90

And ya tell some people the democrats and republicans are all riding in the same limo and they just can’t believe it as it rains clues...


32 posted on 06/07/2013 9:21:18 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Perdogg

But the Tsarnaevs got through anyhow.


33 posted on 06/07/2013 9:29:40 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (MOHAMMED WAS A CHILD RAPIST!)
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To: Uncle Miltie
But the Tsarnaevs got through anyhow.

Makes you wonder if somone deliberately put them on the fast track.

34 posted on 06/07/2013 9:30:39 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Uncle Miltie
But the Tsarnaevs got through anyhow.

And these foreign Muslims were invited into the U.S. by government, and were as sophisticated and a group of 13 year olds...

By the way, the government didn't miss the Boston bomb terrorist, as it was the government providing them hundreds of thousands in tax dollars, gifts, and prizes.

All this while government was spying on you, me and Ma and Pa.

35 posted on 06/07/2013 9:37:16 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Perdogg
Ubama considers the American people to be far more of a threat than any foreign government.

If that doesn't tell you he's a foreign agent...

36 posted on 06/07/2013 9:43:33 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Forget it, Jake. It's Eric Holder's people.")
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To: dragnet2; Puppage
They tell ya the government is reading your email and you post cute pics for humor?


37 posted on 06/07/2013 9:49:43 AM PDT by patriotUSA (Thank you Jesus.)
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To: patriotUSA

Exactly


38 posted on 06/07/2013 9:53:27 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: dragnet2

And ya tell some people the democrats and republicans are all riding in the same limo and they just can’t believe it as it rains clues...


More like a limo for the Dems and a short bus for the GOP. But the GOP is content with that deal as long as they get a supply of cute interns and money for booze/blow/hookers.

There are a few patriots on capitol hill but they are current overwhelmed by the selfish mafia running the GOP.


39 posted on 06/07/2013 9:59:47 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: patriotUSA; Puppage

It's no biggy...Everyone lighten up...Government will fix this..

Like Hillary says:

What difference does it make?

You betcha!

Oh yeah!

40 posted on 06/07/2013 10:00:26 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: cripplecreek

Obama has ALSO put together his OWN BLACK ARMY of INNER CITY KIDS, ORGANIZING FOR AMERICA, who will do ANYTHING for their dear leader.......VERY SCARY......BEWARE.


41 posted on 06/07/2013 10:02:14 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

You’re overreacting...Don’t be so insensitive...Lighten up~!

The government ruling class will fix everything.

Come on...Lets have some fun with this....

lol..


42 posted on 06/07/2013 10:06:38 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Perdogg
The system was put in place originally to monitor "terrorists". However, to this administration, the word "terrorist" means a white male, probably a vet, and not a muslim terrorist, who is now instead called "a causer of workplace accidents".
43 posted on 06/07/2013 10:23:26 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Perdogg
Coupled with the acknowledgement that government has undertaken a program to monitor your telephone calls and obtained information that includes the content of your emails and your online files, of potentially millions of people in the US.

Ask Bush, this is all about the war on terror...You betcha..To protect ya'll.

This is like leaving all the doors and widows open to your home and inviting in dozens of total strangers off the streets to eat your food, use your medicine, water, electricity, steal your wallet.....Many of the strangers laying on your floors and couch hate you and want to kill you and rape your daughters...

But instead of securing your home, you instead decide to conduct surveillance on your own family, put cameras in every bedroom, bug the phones, hack their computers, read their mail and put listening devises in the bathrooms...

And then ya tell your family this is all to protect them from bad guys and terrorist.

And Obama doesn't have the honor to immediately step down?

This is leadership? This government is still calling the shots?

wowza...

44 posted on 06/07/2013 10:37:02 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: bert; ASA Vet; 2ndDivisionVet; BIGLOOK; Travis McGee; Ernest_at_the_Beach

“The irony seems to be that we learned of Chinese Cyber surveillance by secret surveillance of their secrets.”

Wouldn’t you like to be an invisible critter at the Obozo/Chicom meetings today?


45 posted on 06/07/2013 11:29:55 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: Grampa Dave

China = Harlem Globetrotters Obama’s USA = Washington Generals.


46 posted on 06/07/2013 11:34:13 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: Perdogg

To Obama and his handlers I have only one thing to say: you better repent and submit to the Lord of all creation.


47 posted on 06/07/2013 11:47:41 AM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Piranha

You’re right!


48 posted on 06/07/2013 12:01:57 PM PDT by seeker41 (Take back your country before it is too late-STOP islamic expansion in the USA remove zero)
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To: LucyT; thouworm; maggief; Myrddin; shibumi; Hardraade; Candor7; Absolutely Nobama; caww; ...
As if we needed his admission. The entire government has become a monster with countless tentacles, all to control populations and individuals. If not now, when?


49 posted on 06/07/2013 12:11:32 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now, you have done it!:)

“China = Harlem Globetrotters Obama’s USA = Washington Generals.”


50 posted on 06/07/2013 12:12:55 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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